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    well am not sure on right place for this... yes I know you heard it so often... etc... its almost a cliché... but how can we explain love in scientic way...???


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    chemestry altered by brain functions


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    lol... I mean does science even approves love exists?? so yes whats the purpose in evolutionary way?
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    Love and science,interesting. Love is a word girls made up,why?,who knows,its a shallow term. But love is a usually a required word that you have to use if you want to get some, one of my x girlfriend's sister,who incidently was a total slut,defined the term love as when you run out of hate.She used the term alot and in many various ways.
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    Basically with neuroendocrinology; Neuroendocrinology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And here is some of the details; The Brain in Love
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapien View Post
    Love and science,interesting. Love is a word girls made up,why?,who knows,its a shallow term. But love is a usually a required word that you have to use if you want to get some, one of my x girlfriend's sister,who incidently was a total slut,defined the term love as when you run out of hate.She used the term alot and in many various ways.
    I actually never use the word... but yes its to much used... that we lost the meaning or something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    Basically with neuroendocrinology; Neuroendocrinology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And here is some of the details; The Brain in Love
    I have read this (and know it more or less)but I don't understand it why it exist in evolutionary way... (romantic and stick together fase) but I mean also love for parents or friends...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapien View Post
    Love and science,interesting. Love is a word girls made up,why?,who knows,its a shallow term. But love is a usually a required word that you have to use if you want to get some, one of my x girlfriend's sister,who incidently was a total slut,defined the term love as when you run out of hate.She used the term alot and in many various ways.
    You are so utterly wrong and wildly inaccurate I could write an entire encyclopedia alphabetically "even filling out the x and z section thoroughly" about how many things are wrong with your opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
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    Love and science,interesting. Love is a word girls made up,why?,who knows,its a shallow term. But love is a usually a required word that you have to use if you want to get some, one of my x girlfriend's sister,who incidently was a total slut,defined the term love as when you run out of hate.She used the term alot and in many various ways.
    You are so utterly wrong and wildly inaccurate I could write an entire encyclopedia alphabetically "even filling out the x and z section thoroughly" about how many things are wrong with your opinion.
    well tell us in short whats wrong with his/her post??
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapien View Post
    Love and science,interesting. Love is a word girls made up,why?,who knows,its a shallow term. But love is a usually a required word that you have to use if you want to get some, one of my x girlfriend's sister,who incidently was a total slut,defined the term love as when you run out of hate.She used the term alot and in many various ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackscorp View Post
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    Love and science,interesting. Love is a word girls made up,why?,who knows,its a shallow term. But love is a usually a required word that you have to use if you want to get some, one of my x girlfriend's sister,who incidently was a total slut,defined the term love as when you run out of hate.She used the term alot and in many various ways.
    You are so utterly wrong and wildly inaccurate I could write an entire encyclopedia alphabetically "even filling out the x and z section thoroughly" about how many things are wrong with your opinion.
    well tell us in short whats wrong with his/her post??
    "Love is a word girls invented" Supposition. "Who knows, its a shallow term." Assertion without evidence and an opinion presented as fact. "But love is usually a required word that you have to use if you want to get some" Getting-some and making love are quite mutually exclusive, I refuse to tell my relationship partners that I love them due to the redundancy (they know of my fondness). "One of my x girlfriend's sister" Anecdotal fallacy of composition "who incidentally was a total slut, defined the term love as the absence of hate" Another fallacy of composition based on an assertion by someone (x girlfriend's slutty sister) who obviously lacks an even rudimentary understanding on what love entails. "She used the term a lot and in various ways." So the term was applied LOOSELY by a poor anecdotal example without any credibility on the matter.
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    Some people have witless friends who don't know what they're talking about. Therefore, everything we might know about neurology and biology is worthless. Works for me.
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    Glad everyone enjoyed my post.Memories emotions ,I recall it like it happened this week.That sister was so hatefull that she got her boyfriend to try to run me down with a car because she was jealous of her sister.So much emotion.Then she was nice.Found out that my x was going out and her sister wanted to take her place because she was so supeior to her sister.Love an hate might have some direct corrilations.This topec should be about emotions first and then subcatagories such as love.So such is love.
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    it is difficult to define love in definite terms
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    Darwin's theory of evolution also explains how our consciences may have evolved. How humans developed a sense of right from wrong, and how we gradually evolved into caring (loving?) beings. Love is subjective, and may mean different things to different people. But, all in all, if you care about another person, if you look out for his/her best interests, this has been said to be directly attributed to evolution. So, yes, there is a scientific answer to why we love!
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    I loved the girl for 10 years we were together and then 35 more to the present while she raised a family and grandchildren with someone else.Love makes you cry.
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    I'm in love now, but for a while, I was closed off to the idea. Yes sapien, love can hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackscorp View Post
    well am not sure on right place for this... yes I know you heard it so often... etc... its almost a cliché... but how can we explain love in scientic way...???
    The surest way I know to make love is, when two people are all giddy from orgasm, stare into each other's eyes. A psych student I dated taught me that. It makes love.

    Apparently an oxytocen rush while gazing at a suckling baby works too, but I'll let the ladies of the forum confirm or deny that.

    Kinda obvious how both love generators encourage us to rear offspring.
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    'Love' is one of the greatest mysteries of science and now with greater ability to examine the interactions in our brain in response to various emotions we have a slightly better understanding of the mechanisms involved. The 'purpose' of 'love' would seem to be keeping us together to provide care and advantage to our vulnerable young. It is an elaborate evolved survival mechanism in my opinion.

    In humans, there are four tiny areas of the brain that some researchers say form a circuit of love. Acevedo, who works at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, is part of a team that has isolated those regions with the unromantic names of ventral tegmental area (VTA), the nucleus accumbens, the ventral pallidum and raphe nucleus.

    The hot spot is the teardrop-shaped VTA. When people newly in love were put in a functional magnetic resonance imaging machine and shown pictures of their beloved, the VTA lit up. Same for people still madly in love after 20 years.
    The VTA is part of a key reward system in the brain.
    "These are cells that make dopamine and send it to different brain regions," said Helen Fisher, a researcher and professor at Rutgers University. "This part of the system becomes activated because you're trying to win life's greatest prize -- a mating partner."
    One of the research findings isn't so complimentary: Love works chemically in the brain like a drug addiction.

    "Romantic love is an addiction; a wonderful addiction when it is going well, a horrible one when it is going poorly," Fisher said. "People kill for love. They die for love."
    The connection to addiction "sounds terrible," Acevedo acknowledged. "Love is supposed to be something wonderful and grand, but it has its reasons. The reason I think is to keep us together."
    But sometimes love doesn't keep us together. So the scientists studied the brains of the recently heartbroken and found additional activity in the nucleus accumbens, which is even more strongly associated with addiction.


    Science of romance: Brains have a love circuit | cleveland.com

    There is more literature, poetry and song devoted to the subject of 'love' than to any other topic I have researched, including religion and money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    It is an elaborate evolved survival mechanism
    please explain it further. i like this definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
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    Love and science,interesting. Love is a word girls made up,why?,who knows,its a shallow term. But love is a usually a required word that you have to use if you want to get some, one of my x girlfriend's sister,who incidently was a total slut,defined the term love as when you run out of hate.She used the term alot and in many various ways.
    You are so utterly wrong and wildly inaccurate I could write an entire encyclopedia alphabetically "even filling out the x and z section thoroughly" about how many things are wrong with your opinion.
    well tell us in short whats wrong with his/her post??
    "Love is a word girls invented" Supposition. "Who knows, its a shallow term." Assertion without evidence and an opinion presented as fact. "But love is usually a required word that you have to use if you want to get some" Getting-some and making love are quite mutually exclusive, I refuse to tell my relationship partners that I love them due to the redundancy (they know of my fondness). "One of my x girlfriend's sister" Anecdotal fallacy of composition "who incidentally was a total slut, defined the term love as the absence of hate" Another fallacy of composition based on an assertion by someone (x girlfriend's slutty sister) who obviously lacks an even rudimentary understanding on what love entails. "She used the term a lot and in various ways." So the term was applied LOOSELY by a poor anecdotal example without any credibility on the matter.
    not everyone can bring their thoughts as scienctific as maybe you... this person tells us his perception not definly wrong for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Who knew?

    Some people have witless friends who don't know what they're talking about. Therefore, everything we might know about neurology and biology is worthless. Works for me.
    if its worthless so you don't believe in it as in its true? so there must be other forces...???
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    Darwin's theory of evolution also explains how our consciences may have evolved. How humans developed a sense of right from wrong, and how we gradually evolved into caring (loving?) beings. Love is subjective, and may mean different things to different people. But, all in all, if you care about another person, if you look out for his/her best interests, this has been said to be directly attributed to evolution. So, yes, there is a scientific answer to why we love!
    is this accepted in scientic world? that a person realy can care best interests etc... without wanting anything back? I eman even evolutional way in my eyes it would be impossible
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapien View Post
    I loved the girl for 10 years we were together and then 35 more to the present while she raised a family and grandchildren with someone else.Love makes you cry.
    can you extacly describe why does it makes you cry.... what are the main points that makes you cry where is this core of your pain /cry???
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    I'm in love now, but for a while, I was closed off to the idea. Yes sapien, love can hurt.
    can you explain or at least try to explain de differences in this love and the love before hurting (closed off idea)
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    'Love' is one of the greatest mysteries of science and now with greater ability to examine the interactions in our brain in response to various emotions we have a slightly better understanding of the mechanisms involved. The 'purpose' of 'love' would seem to be keeping us together to provide care and advantage to our vulnerable young. It is an elaborate evolved survival mechanism in my opinion.

    In humans, there are four tiny areas of the brain that some researchers say form a circuit of love. Acevedo, who works at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, is part of a team that has isolated those regions with the unromantic names of ventral tegmental area (VTA), the nucleus accumbens, the ventral pallidum and raphe nucleus.

    The hot spot is the teardrop-shaped VTA. When people newly in love were put in a functional magnetic resonance imaging machine and shown pictures of their beloved, the VTA lit up. Same for people still madly in love after 20 years.
    The VTA is part of a key reward system in the brain.
    "These are cells that make dopamine and send it to different brain regions," said Helen Fisher, a researcher and professor at Rutgers University. "This part of the system becomes activated because you're trying to win life's greatest prize -- a mating partner."
    One of the research findings isn't so complimentary: Love works chemically in the brain like a drug addiction.

    "Romantic love is an addiction; a wonderful addiction when it is going well, a horrible one when it is going poorly," Fisher said. "People kill for love. They die for love."
    The connection to addiction "sounds terrible," Acevedo acknowledged. "Love is supposed to be something wonderful and grand, but it has its reasons. The reason I think is to keep us together."
    But sometimes love doesn't keep us together. So the scientists studied the brains of the recently heartbroken and found additional activity in the nucleus accumbens, which is even more strongly associated with addiction.


    Science of romance: Brains have a love circuit | cleveland.com

    There is more literature, poetry and song devoted to the subject of 'love' than to any other topic I have researched, including religion and money.
    this keeping us together sounds douptable to me... if we look how most relations went and if we remember pre faith era... roman empire greeks etc... but also if we look at animal world...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapien View Post
    Love and science,interesting. Love is a word girls made up,why?,who knows,its a shallow term. But love is a usually a required word that you have to use if you want to get some, one of my x girlfriend's sister,who incidently was a total slut,defined the term love as when you run out of hate.She used the term alot and in many various ways.
    Very immature or just a troll? Who knows. Who cares.
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    Love is an emotion which cannot be seen but only felt by us.


    The only thing we never get enough of is love; and the only thing we never give enough of is love. [B]Henry Miller


    And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make. [B]Paul McCartney


    Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.” Martin Luther King Jr.


    “Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Love is an emotion which cannot be seen but only felt by us.


    The only thing we never get enough of is love; and the only thing we never give enough of is love. [B]Henry Miller


    And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make. [B]Paul McCartney


    Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.” Martin Luther King Jr.


    “Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none.”
    ― William Shakespeare
    well this sounds realy optimistic if I was a women... and if I had total lack of logic and conscious
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    There are different kinds of love. The romantic love between a man and woman is what makes them want to get together and form a pair bond. This is a beneficial kind of relationship that allows both parents to cooperate in the raising and nurturing of their children, and gives their offspring a better chance of survival than if one parent tried to raise the children alone. And that is what it is all about from an evolutionary perspective, having one's offspring survive and reproduce.

    Then there is the love that parents have for their offspring, which makes them want to protect them and help them succeed. Very important for the survival of one's genes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackscorp View Post
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    Darwin's theory of evolution also explains how our consciences may have evolved. How humans developed a sense of right from wrong, and how we gradually evolved into caring (loving?) beings. Love is subjective, and may mean different things to different people. But, all in all, if you care about another person, if you look out for his/her best interests, this has been said to be directly attributed to evolution. So, yes, there is a scientific answer to why we love!
    is this accepted in scientic world? that a person realy can care best interests etc... without wanting anything back? I eman even evolutional way in my eyes it would be impossible
    Yes, it's accepted in the science community; it is explained in Darwin's theory of evolution. I will post some info for you later, for your review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sir ir r aj View Post
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    It is an elaborate evolved survival mechanism
    please explain it further. i like this definition.
    When we fall in love, there is a host of chemicals and several stages to the process and the objective, to start, is solely reproduction, preferably through the selection of compatible superior genetics.

    Stage 2: Attraction
    This is the truly love-struck phase. When people fall in love they can think of nothing else. They might even lose their appetite and need less sleep, preferring to spend hours at a time daydreaming about their new lover.
    In the attraction stage, a group of neuro-transmitters called 'monoamines' play an important role:

    • Dopamine - Also activated by cocaine and nicotine.
    • Norepinephrine - Otherwise known as adrenalin. Starts us sweating and gets the heart racing.
    • Serotonin - One of love's most important chemicals and one that may actually send us temporarily insane.
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    this keeping us together sounds douptable to me... if we look how most relations went and if we remember pre faith era... roman empire greeks etc... but also if we look at animal world...[/QUOTE]

    Stage 3: Attachment

    This is what takes over after the attraction stage, if a relationship is going to last. People couldn't possibly stay in the attraction stage forever, otherwise they'd never get any work done!
    Attachment is a longer lasting commitment and is the bond that keeps couples together when they go on to have children. Important in this stage are two hormones released by the nervous system, which are thought to play a role in social attachments:

    • Oxytocin - This is released by the hypothalamus gland during child birth and also helps the breast express milk. It helps cement the strong bond between mother and child. It is also released by both sexes during orgasm and it is thought that it promotes bonding when adults are intimate. The theory goes that the more sex a couple has, the deeper their bond becomes
    • Vasopressin - Another important chemical in the long-term commitment stage. It is an important controller of the kidney and its role in long-term relationships was discovered when scientists looked at the prairie vole.
    When you look at nature, including plants and animals, it becomes obvious that reproduction is the objective and that sperm and pollen is superfluous. Humans have need of a more elaborate selection process and longer attachment period because our offspring are born completely helpless and take several years of care before they can even be considered 'viable'.

    Not all attraction results in offspring and not all relationships result in attachment but the offspring of enduring relationships have more advantages in the form of extended family and community to assist in their raising and education.

    That a greater number of relationships are of shorter duration in recent times may be partially attributable to societal change and advances in technology which have made it possible for single parent families to survive. When I look around, though, I still observe that there is a strong core of enduring relationships, often through second marriage, and that a significant number of the offspring of these relationships still adhere to 'family values' and continue to carry them forward. The nuclear family may be undergoing change but family and community values still speak to the value of 'love' as an enduring reproductive and survival strategy.

    BBC Science | Human Body & Mind | Science of Love
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    It is an elaborate evolved survival mechanism
    please explain it further. i like this definition.
    When we fall in love, there is a host of chemicals and several stages to the process and the objective, to start, is solely reproduction, preferably through the selection of compatible superior genetics.

    Stage 2: Attraction
    This is the truly love-struck phase. When people fall in love they can think of nothing else. They might even lose their appetite and need less sleep, preferring to spend hours at a time daydreaming about their new lover.
    In the attraction stage, a group of neuro-transmitters called 'monoamines' play an important role:

    • Dopamine - Also activated by cocaine and nicotine.
    • Norepinephrine - Otherwise known as adrenalin. Starts us sweating and gets the heart racing.
    • Serotonin - One of love's most important chemicals and one that may actually send us temporarily insane.
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    this keeping us together sounds douptable to me... if we look how most relations went and if we remember pre faith era... roman empire greeks etc... but also if we look at animal world...
    Stage 3: Attachment

    This is what takes over after the attraction stage, if a relationship is going to last. People couldn't possibly stay in the attraction stage forever, otherwise they'd never get any work done!
    Attachment is a longer lasting commitment and is the bond that keeps couples together when they go on to have children. Important in this stage are two hormones released by the nervous system, which are thought to play a role in social attachments:

    • Oxytocin - This is released by the hypothalamus gland during child birth and also helps the breast express milk. It helps cement the strong bond between mother and child. It is also released by both sexes during orgasm and it is thought that it promotes bonding when adults are intimate. The theory goes that the more sex a couple has, the deeper their bond becomes
    • Vasopressin - Another important chemical in the long-term commitment stage. It is an important controller of the kidney and its role in long-term relationships was discovered when scientists looked at the prairie vole.
    When you look at nature, including plants and animals, it becomes obvious that reproduction is the objective and that sperm and pollen is superfluous. Humans have need of a more elaborate selection process and longer attachment period because our offspring are born completely helpless and take several years of care before they can even be considered 'viable'.

    Not all attraction results in offspring and not all relationships result in attachment but the offspring of enduring relationships have more advantages in the form of extended family and community to assist in their raising and education.

    That a greater number of relationships are of shorter duration in recent times may be partially attributable to societal change and advances in technology which have made it possible for single parent families to survive. When I look around, though, I still observe that there is a strong core of enduring relationships, often through second marriage, and that a significant number of the offspring of these relationships still adhere to 'family values' and continue to carry them forward. The nuclear family may be undergoing change but family and community values still speak to the value of 'love' as an enduring reproductive and survival strategy.

    BBC Science | Human Body & Mind | Science of Love[/QUOTE]in greek and roman societys etc...pre bible there wasn't something like biblical life... so the comparison must be wrong... because we live in a world where most people stil get much from faith... even biggest atheists...
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