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  1. #1 My little theory about Homosexuals! 
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    *If this is posted in the wrong place, i apologize!*
    Before i post this, i'd like to say this is not a dig, i am not homophobic! I'm also new to this forum, so heeeey!

    Well the other day i was riding my bike and started thinking about evolution..i don't know why!

    At that moment i had a epithany, i don't know if this has ever been discussed before, but i think homosexuality was an evolutionary design that got flawed!

    For example, as we developed more and more over the years it would seem obvious that instead of males competing and fighting for women all the time like most animal species do, and we most likely did, they should get on in a more social society

    So to try and 'sort' this problem out evolution was pretty much all like 'Hey, lets make males get along more!' and then they kind of got along a bit too much...

    I'm not homophobic, as stated before, but homosexuality is evolutionary pointless--It doesn't help our species thrive and expand, but its working in a way!

    Anyway i look forward to feedback from members of this forum


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    Quote Originally Posted by SingingAntelope View Post
    but homosexuality is evolutionary pointless
    How do you know that? Perhaps the trait is associated with something else that provides an advantage to the group.

    There are plenty of other things which appear "pointless" or even positively harmful but which survive for good reasons. The obvious example is sickle-cell disease: debilitating and often fatal but it provides an important survival advantage in some places.

    Or maybe homosexuality is just the result of the genetic diversity required for evolution to work, in the same way we have a range of heights, IQ and character.


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    Well thats also possible, but it was just a quick theory and i didn't have time to consider that I suppose it could also be some sort of natural birth control, since we have lots of humans...infact too many humans, on earth! But yeh thanks for your reply friend! Nice to know what others can come up with!
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    You should look closely before you conclude and announce a theory, homosexuality could arise Ƒor many reasons not yet known.some were born that way. While others were not but they were brain washed and you realise the power of seduction. Once a person starts having sexual urge,it matters less who continues the sensation from there.


    Words can put someone in that position.the lack of an opposite sex cause development of further ideas(i.e let Me help you jerk off).

    After the genetic part is considered you realise that the situation is still highly psychological.
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    Ah i'll consider that before i post a theory next time! Appreciate the replies!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SingingAntelope View Post
    but homosexuality is evolutionary pointless
    Wrong.

    And it's not a theory (which has a specific meaning in science): it's a wild unsupported uninformed guess on your part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Wrong.

    And it's not a theory (which has a specific meaning in science): it's a wild unsupported uninformed guess on your part.
    Don't worry, SingingAntelope, he's like this with everyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by SingingAntelope View Post
    At that moment i had a epithany, i don't know if this has ever been discussed before, but i think homosexuality was an evolutionary design that got flawed!
    This immediately assumes that homosexuality is a "mistake". What about homosexuality, aside from societal stigma, suggests it is somehow a detriment?

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    For example, as we developed more and more over the years it would seem obvious that instead of males competing and fighting for women all the time like most animal species do, and we most likely did, they should get on in a more social society
    Evidence? Competition within social structures drives successful species. The strong lead and the weak are left behind.

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    So to try and 'sort' this problem out evolution was pretty much all like 'Hey, lets make males get along more!' and then they kind of got along a bit too much...
    Evolution does not choose or design. The process of evolution is driven by natural selection. The successful live and breed while the unsuccessful die out. Evolution is simply the act of the genetic or physiological differences which allow one to survive becoming more integrated into that species.

    What you're talking about sounds more like Intelligent Design.

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    I'm not homophobic, as stated before, but homosexuality is evolutionary pointless--It doesn't help our species thrive and expand, but its working in a way!
    Or it could be a control solution to a burgeoning population. Or it could just be something that has existed since we figured out how to hump one another. If anyone can find evidence of homosexual cavemen, we might get some light shed on the idea.
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    Aha i'm just gonna say i'm only 16, so can't blame me too much, i'm still young and naive!

    Anyway, i guess i'll do some more research and write a few pages about what i discover and rewrite my wild unsupported uninformed guess!
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    Give me 2 weeks and i'll repost this with better explanations and proof aha
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    Quote Originally Posted by SingingAntelope View Post
    i'll repost this with better explanations
    I doubt it.

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    and proof aha
    I seriously doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SingingAntelope View Post
    i'll repost this with better explanations
    I doubt it.

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    and proof aha
    I seriously doubt it.
    We shall see! whether or not i prove or disprove what i have to say it doesn't matter, it takes a mistake to learn something new! Every scientist has made a wrong prediction or theory but we don't slam them for it, because it helps them discover something new
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    Nice courage boy! Don't mind some of us,we are sometimes too strict.

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    It's not your "theory" that is broken, but your methodology.

    You start off saying that you think homosexuality is an evolutionary "mistake". If this notion came from overwhelming evidence is support of such a conclusion, I might take it more seriously. However, it seems to come simply from idle speculation and, I suspsect, a negative opinion of homosexuals.

    If you want to "prove" me wrong, do so by demonstrating that you can analyze data with an unbiased perspective. Until then, you just appear to be another person trying to take a hot topic (homosexuals are bad for humanity) and give us a fractured hypothesis as to why that is.
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    Just because homosexuals don't have any mental, or physical disabilities, doesn't mean it's not a defective sexual selection method.

    How we recognise our partner, and what we find attractive is very delicate, and at the time the brain is "wired" is might be done incorrectly.

    I'm not saying it's a disease. What i am saying however is that i think homosexuality is the odds of us, of getting this sexual selection part of our brains wired incorrectly.

    Also, i want to point out, there are thousands of these systems, like pain experience, threshold for stress, memory storage, etc, which all have odds to be wired incorrectly. However these are less obvious.

    Sometimes being wired incorrectly, or a combination of abberations, makes due a new skill, like photographic memory, hyperintelligence, or empathic understanding. These are all results of mistakes in our brain.

    Being homosexual is being part of a proces in humans, which regulates our being, our race to excell. However homosexuality isn't the machine, it's the product.
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    I'm not saying Homosexuality is wrong, i'm simply saying its a possibility that its possible its not benificial to us...not every evolutionary trait is benificial
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    Ah... I wish I had that sort of confidence in making theories...perhaps I'd get something done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SingingAntelope View Post
    I'm not saying Homosexuality is wrong, i'm simply saying its a possibility that its possible its not benificial to us...not every evolutionary trait is benificial
    It is possible. However, you have not demonstrated that it was examination of scientific evidence that lead you to this conclusion. You simply said that you were riding your bike and pondered the notion. Your next step should have been delving into evidence and not trying to reinforce some idea you just stumbled across.

    Get your cart behind your horse.
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    long ago, i claimed that there were 2 kinds of lesbians:
    some were lesbians beacause they loved women ... cool I never had any trouble getting along with them
    some were lesbians beacause they hated men........and with them, I never stood a chance.
    A tad simplistic...

    I have a nephew who is homosexual. When he "came out", his parents sought psychiatric and religious counciling to "cure" him of this horrible affliction.
    After a while, sanity returned to them, and they accepted their son for who he was and who he wanted to be.

    Personally, I'm just about as hetero as it cums. I have never had anal sex, nor cum from a blowjob. (maybe, I'm just a "stick in the mud"?) But I have had several homosexual friends(male and female). How they "got their rocks off" never mattered to me. It never dawned on me that one of my close friends in the army was homosexual, until, I met some of his civilian friends, all of whom were "gay"---------Hell man, even I ain't that dense.
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    It's possible homosexuality is a personality trait that spreads through descendants. Actually no shit. Um but it's also likely that given gays have more intense survival pressure, that they'll eventually surpass oh fuck it I love Megaman 7.
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    Descendents from homosexuals?
    hmm...('twould seem a rare thing)
    or,
    izzata joke?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Descendents from homosexuals?
    hmm...('twould seem a rare thing)
    or,
    izzata joke?
    Some male couples use one partner's sperm in a surrogate and some female partners use one of the partner's eggs in conjunction with a sperm donor in order to have children.

    How about a lesbian fertilized with the sperm of a gay man? Conservatives across America would burst into flames.
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    Flick yes, (rare, but),

    My son michael teaches with a gay man. He and his partner mixed their sperm and got a donor woman to carry their child. They are both very loving and careing parents. And speak of their daughter as "their" child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Descendents from homosexuals?
    hmm...('twould seem a rare thing)
    or,
    izzata joke?
    Some male couples use one partner's sperm in a surrogate and some female partners use one of the partner's eggs in conjunction with a sperm donor in order to have children.

    How about a lesbian fertilized with the sperm of a gay man? Conservatives across America would burst into flames.
    Ha, that's hilarious. I'd love to see what Jehovah's Witness followers would have to say about that. I'm almost tempted to bring it up on a conservative forum just for troll bait.

    Back to natural selection. Given the cost needed for invitro fertilization, this could quite possibly enable future homosexuals to have excellent financial resources at their disposal, as cash is often necessary for gay couples to procreate. In fact, a society entirely made up of homosexuals could easily work(though would be unlikely to happen).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonCanvas View Post
    ... Back to natural selection. Given the cost needed for invitro fertilization, ... .
    There are many "free sperm" websites
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    Flick Montana seems to advocate for homosexuality. I wonder why?

    Let's get things straight about homosexuality:

    1. Gay people cannot reproduce, they have to adopt other's children if they want kids.
    2. This behavior is at present not observed amongst animals, humans are falling below the level of animals when it comes to sexual instincts.
    3. Morally unacceptable things may happen, like Father and Son, Mother and daughter, Brother and Brother, Sister and Sister... it gets very disgusting.
    4. Healthy friendship among the same sex is becoming hard to maintain due to pressure from other people.

    My moral theory is utilitarianism. meaning: an action is morally correct if it maximizes general welfare. At this point gay people are arousing resentment here and there, most of humanity are against homo, their actions are encumbering us in pursuing good relationships ( as mentioned in 4.). Therefore it is morally wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Man View Post
    Flick Montana seems to advocate for homosexuality. I wonder why?
    I advocate for equal treatment of homosexuals. I don't ask that everyone give it a try, though.

    I'm also married to a woman, so if you're clumsily alluding to me being gay, you'd be wrong.

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    Let's get things straight about homosexuality:
    Pun intended?

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    1. Gay people cannot reproduce, they have to adopt other's children if they want kids.
    Great. We have too many kids in foster care. In addition, this could be a great solution for people wanting to have an abortion.

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    2. This behavior is at present not observed amongst animals, humans are falling below the level of animals when it comes to sexual instincts.
    Actually, there is a large number of animals which behave homosexually.

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    3. Morally unacceptable things may happen, like Father and Son, Mother and daughter, Brother and Brother, Sister and Sister... it gets very disgusting.
    How is homosexuality related to incest? Are your morals the ones by which we should govern the world? What makes your morals the obvious choice for everyone else?

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    4. Healthy friendship among the same sex is becoming hard to maintain due to pressure from other people.
    If you have male friends trying to have sex with you, perhaps you should ask them to stop. I don't know why we should ban homosexuality just because you're having a hard time not being gay.

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    My moral theory is utilitarianism.
    Fine. It isn't mine.

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    meaning: an action is morally correct if it maximizes general welfare.
    How do homosexuals threaten general welfare?

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    At this point gay people are arousing resentment here and there, most of humanity are against homo,
    For lack of a better word; bullsh*t.

    They certainly stir up resentment among the intolerant and ignorant, I will concede that.

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    their actions are encumbering us in pursuing good relationships ( as mentioned in 4.). Therefore it is morally wrong.
    The actions of homosexuals and their formation of gay relationships has not affected me in any way. If seeing two men kissing is causing some kind of feeling to arise within you that is hard to keep suppressed, I'd just suggest letting it out. If you're being pressured by gangs of gay men, you're living in a really weird place.

    As for your morals, I could give two sh*ts.

    EDIT: Judging by the quality and content of your posts, I can only assume your screen name is some attempt at sarcasm. Well played, sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Man View Post
    Flick Montana seems to advocate for homosexuality. I wonder why?

    Let's get things straight about homosexuality:

    1. Gay people cannot reproduce, they have to adopt other's children if they want kids.
    Okay?

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    2. This behavior is at present not observed amongst animals, humans are falling below the level of animals when it comes to sexual instincts.
    Wow it's almost like you don't even know what you're talking about

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    3. Morally unacceptable things may happen, like Father and Son, Mother and daughter, Brother and Brother, Sister and Sister... it gets very disgusting.
    lol?

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    4. Healthy friendship among the same sex is becoming hard to maintain due to pressure from other people.
    Well, uh, yeah....no it's not. If that's the case for you then you're doing something wrong (surprise).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Man View Post
    1. Gay people cannot reproduce, they have to adopt other's children if they want kids.
    Hey, guess what? A lot of gay people are married with kids.

    2. This behavior is at present not observed amongst animals, humans are falling below the level of animals when it comes to sexual instincts.
    Or maybe rising above the level of animals? Perhaps you are letting your prejudices shape your thinking?

    3. Morally unacceptable things may happen, like Father and Son, Mother and daughter, Brother and Brother, Sister and Sister... it gets very disgusting.
    WTF? Why is incest any more or less likely among homosexuals? Perhaps you are letting your irrational prejudices distort your thinking?

    4. Healthy friendship among the same sex is becoming hard to maintain due to pressure from other people.
    WTF? Evidence? Or is this just your personal problem?

    At this point gay people are arousing resentment here and there
    Only among ignorant homophobes like you.

    , most of humanity are against homo
    Citation needed.

    Therefore it is morally wrong.
    There is no "therefore" about it. You are using ignorance and false logic to try and justify your homophobia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    Being homosexual is being part of a proces in humans, which regulates our being, our race to excell.
    Looks like we have another wild guess in this thread.
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    Let's get things straight about stupidity:

    1. Stupid people can reproduce AND they can adopt other's children if they want kids.
    2. This behavior is at present not observed amongst animals, humans are falling below the level of animals when it comes to intellect.
    3. Intellectually unacceptable things may happen, like bigoted idiots posting on the internet... it gets very disgusting.
    4. Healthy discussion among the sane is becoming hard to maintain due to insupportable crap from other people.

    At this point stupid people are arousing resentment here and there, and are holding the rest of us back, their actions are encumbering us in pursuing rational discourse ( as mentioned in 4.). Therefore it is morally wrong.


    PS, I really do wonder why the predilection for those that *cough* fail to meet certain criteria always 1 seem to choose a user name apparently designed (by contrasting heavily) to highlight that failure.

    1 I say "always" but that's likely not the case - but it does appear to be prevalent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    our race to excell.
    Looks like we have another wild guess in this thread.
    Not a wild guess; he obviously worked it out in a spreadsheet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Man View Post
    Flick Montana seems to advocate for homosexuality. I wonder why?

    Let's get things straight about homosexuality:

    1. Gay people cannot reproduce, they have to adopt other's children if they want kids.
    Wrong, LGBT people are all capable of reproduction, I can donate to a sperm bank, or a lesbian friend and have children just like any straight person. so this is a strawman.

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    2. This behavior is at present not observed amongst animals, humans are falling below the level of animals when it comes to sexual instincts.
    homosexual attraction has been observed in most higher animals including penguins, dolphins, elephants, and chimps. So another false assertion

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    3. Morally unacceptable things may happen, like Father and Son, Mother and daughter, Brother and Brother, Sister and Sister... it gets very disgusting.
    Those things already happen in straight relationships and has NOTHING to do with being LGBT so trying to say being LGBT will magically cause these things that are "clearly not" happening already is bullshit

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    4. Healthy friendship among the same sex is becoming hard to maintain due to pressure from other people.
    So because you have trouble maintaining friends, its the fault of "the gays"? again a false assertion.

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    My moral theory is utilitarianism. meaning: an action is morally correct if it maximizes general welfare. At this point gay people are arousing resentment here and there, most of humanity are against homo, their actions are encumbering us in pursuing good relationships ( as mentioned in 4.). Therefore it is morally wrong.
    Your moral code is based off a series of false premises that are designed to demonize a group of people that you clearly have very little knowledge of.
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    People here jump on ignorant posters like lions on a fat 2-legged antelope.

    Theorist had some of the worst posts I've ever seen, but his threads would go on for a dozen pages.
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    It would appear that there is some correlation between being a gay male and birth order.
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    Dawkins gives 3 possibilities:

    1. So called ‘gay uncle’ theory
    2. So called ‘sneaky fucker’ theory
    3. Genes are not so deterministic, ‘gay genes’ could have been for something else previously

    See here for explanations: Richard Dawkins explains how the gay gene was preserved - YouTube
    I suppose you could add others such as gay females not having a choice of whether to mate or not and so the gene propagates (although from what I know of ethology, rape is rare in the animal kingdom, and females have a lot of choice regarding mating)
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    Some people appear to be taking the argument more intense while standing Ƒor gays.
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    Some people appear to be taking the argument more intense while standing Ƒor gays.
    Yeah - isn't it disgusting when people stand up for minorities against bigotry and ignorance.
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    Oh my god... so many people on this forum are gay. I'm out of here! I quit this forum. I didn't quit realize this forum is gay. You people advocate for gayness, what's next? Sex with animals? And I'm called stupid. Well you are all ignorant idiots who have an abominable habit, it's below my dignity to even speak to you people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Man View Post
    Oh my god... so many people on this forum are gay. I'm out of here! I quit this forum. I didn't quit realize this forum is gay. You people advocate for gayness, what's next? Sex with animals? And I'm called stupid. Well you are all ignorant idiots who have an abominable habit, it's below my dignity to even speak to you people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Man View Post
    Oh my god... so many people on this forum are gay.
    I have some bad news for you.
    There's even more gay people out there in the real world.

    And I'm called stupid.
    Yeah. I wonder why that would be...

    Well you are all ignorant idiots who have an abominable habit, it's below my dignity to even speak to you people.


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    Redpanda it appears to be So. It makes Me wonder if the support Ƒor gayism is'nt a way of saying i'm one and nothing is wrong with that.


    Sure something is wrong with it. (1)you are delude and to you have being brain washed by a part of yourself you think you are in control of. Hate to break тнιѕ! But you ain't in control you are lost within your own self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    Redpanda it appears to be So. It makes Me wonder if the support Ƒor gayism is'nt a way of saying i'm one and nothing is wrong with that.
    Or, and this could be just a wild guess on my part, it's just a way of saying there's nothing wrong with that.

    Sure something is wrong with it.
    Really?
    Can you show this to be so?

    (1)you are delude and to you have being brain washed by a part of yourself you think you are in control of. Hate to break тнιѕ! But you ain't in control you are lost within your own self.
    What's the phrase I'm looking for here... oh yeah: bullshit.
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    Oh my god... so many people on this forum are gay. I'm out of here! I quit this forum. I didn't quit realize this forum is gay. You people advocate for gayness, what's next? Sex with animals? And I'm called stupid. Well you are all ignorant idiots who have an abominable habit, it's below my dignity to even speak to you people.
    I thought you were hard at work learning some physics so that you could post your Deep Thoughts(tm). You can't complain that we're not giving you enough time. And you keep issuing ultimatums threatening to leave, yet seem unable to stay away. Perhaps you are a closeted homosexual, secretly attracted to the latent (or not so latent) gayness you've identified. In any case, just leave already, then. Do let the door hit your bum on the way out.
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    ... . Well you are all ignorant idiots who have an abominable habit, it's below my dignity to even speak to you people.
    abominable habit===TOLERANCE!
    Try it.
    With a little practice it gets easy.
    W.M. why should you care how people you don't even know "get their rocks off"?
    When there is soo much more that you can, and likely should, care about.

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    Perhaps therapy might help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    It makes Me wonder if the support Ƒor gayism is'nt a way of saying i'm one and nothing is wrong with that.
    It makes me wonder if the attacks on gays isn't a way of saying "I'm gay but I was raised to hate gays so I will attack them so that no-one ever discovers my gay secret!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Man View Post
    Oh my god... so many people on this forum are gay. I'm out of here! I quit this forum. I didn't quit realize this forum is gay. You people advocate for gayness, what's next? Sex with animals? And I'm called stupid. Well you are all ignorant idiots who have an abominable habit, it's below my dignity to even speak to you people.
    Wow, any sort or rebuttal to your falsehoods and your claiming massive conspiracies by The Gays and running. Staying here is that much of a threat to your world view?

    Also, slippery slope arguments are bullshit too. LGBT existence has not, and will not at any point, lead to bestiality. You really should learn about the concept of mutual adult consent.

    Edit:
    Your "I wont lower myself to your level" statement, is noted by everyone to men "I have not actual defense for my bigotry so I'm running away."
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
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    It makes Me wonder if the support Ƒor gayism is'nt a way of saying i'm one and nothing is wrong with that.
    It makes me wonder if the attacks on gays isn't a way of saying "I'm gay but I was raised to hate gays so I will attack them so that no-one ever discovers my gay secret!"
    No need to wonder several studies have show a notable correlation between homophobic reactions and repressed same sex attraction
    Is some homophobia self-phobia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Man View Post
    See ya you deranged maniacs, I'm going to a new forum here: The Original Science Forums, under a new username. Bye
    Ahh, still running away rather then actually backing your assertions?

    Edit: Oh, and good luck trying to spread your bigotry there, they are less tolerant of bullshit then this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    It makes me wonder if the attacks on gays isn't a way of saying "I'm gay but I was raised to hate gays so I will attack them so that no-one ever discovers my gay secret!"
    I think it's more of a way of saying "I'm a bigoted irrational cretin" semi-cryptically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SingingAntelope View Post
    *If this is posted in the wrong place, i apologize!*
    Before i post this, i'd like to say this is not a dig, i am not homophobic! I'm also new to this forum, so heeeey!

    Well the other day i was riding my bike and started thinking about evolution..i don't know why!

    At that moment i had a epithany, i don't know if this has ever been discussed before, but i think homosexuality was an evolutionary design that got flawed!

    For example, as we developed more and more over the years it would seem obvious that instead of males competing and fighting for women all the time like most animal species do, and we most likely did, they should get on in a more social society

    So to try and 'sort' this problem out evolution was pretty much all like 'Hey, lets make males get along more!' and then they kind of got along a bit too much...

    I'm not homophobic, as stated before, but homosexuality is evolutionary pointless--It doesn't help our species thrive and expand, but its working in a way!

    Anyway i look forward to feedback from members of this forum
    There are a nuber of accepted factors as to what determines orientation. None of them relate to your suggestions above.

    LGBT people are NOT abnormal/flawed/pointless/etc and most of us find it very offensive to be called such.

    Any hypothesis you create will need to include reasons for the very large number of homosexual relations/instances in the animal kingdom, ranging from penguins and swans to dolphins and chimps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SingingAntelope View Post
    Well this is a successful fisrt post
    If it it actually does mean Wise Man leaves 1 it's more successful than I'd have expected or hoped for.

    1 Put it this way - he came back specifically to say he was going to another forum 2, and ~half an hour later he's still logged in.
    2 And presumably that other forum will have much the same attitude with regard to LGBT 3 people as we do, generally, here 4.
    3 I do so f*cking hate that term - LGBT . I once got a Facebook friend request from my home town's LGBT page. I accepted (being new to FB I thought it'd at least give me some friends on-line) and then spent the next week or so muttering to myself "Local Government Something Town? Lincoln & Grimsby Something Something?..." Seriously it was well over a week before I realised that the majority of people already listed on that page were people I knew from my Friday/ Saturday night local pub - which just incidentally happened to be promoted as the town's most gay-friendly pub. Yes, colour me slow on the uptake...
    4 I did particularly like his "so many people on this forum are gay", when the majority of replies were in support of, rather than claiming to be, gay.
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    Oops, duplicate post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Well this is a successful fisrt post
    If it it actually does mean Wise Man leaves 1 it's more successful than I'd have expected or hoped for.

    1 Put it this way - he came back specifically to say he was going to another forum 2, and ~half an hour later he's still logged in.
    2 And presumably that other forum will have much the same attitude with regard to LGBT 3 people as we do, generally, here 4.
    3 I do so f*cking hate that term - LGBT . I once got a Facebook friend request from my home town's LGBT page. I accepted (being new to FB I thought it'd at least give me some friends on-line) and then spent the next week or so muttering to myself "Local Government Something Town? Lincoln & Grimsby Something Something?..." Seriously it was well over a week before I realised that the majority of people already listed on that page were people I knew from my Friday/ Saturday night local pub - which just incidentally happened to be promoted as the town's most gay-friendly pub. Yes, colour me slow on the uptake...
    4 I did particularly like his "so many people on this forum are gay", when the majority of replies were in support of, rather than claiming to be, gay.
    That I can tell Im the only openly gay guy to have replied to WM lol
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    Well this is a successful fisrt post
    4 I did particularly like his "so many people on this forum are gay", when the majority of replies were in support of, rather than claiming to be, gay.
    But, but....only gay people can support people being gay!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mat5592 View Post
    But, but....only gay people can support people being gay!!!
    I am (honestly) an "official" honorary lesbian.

    (So far as I know, the only guy in my town to be so designated).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    But, but....only gay people can support people being gay!!!
    I am (honestly) an "official" honorary lesbian.

    (So far as I know, the only guy in my town to be so designated).
    Well, as far as I know, you're the only one in the ​world.
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    See ya you deranged maniacs, I'm going to a new forum here: The Original Science Forums, under a new username. Bye
    ROFL. You'll find they are probably an even more rational group than this one...which means they completely embrace gays, and will defend their liberties against bigotry as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    I am (honestly) an "official" honorary lesbian.
    (So far as I know, the only guy in my town to be so designated).
    A dozen years ago(give or take) a comedian said that he must be a lesbian. As i remember it, he said, "From my understanding of it, lesbians love to kiss women, nibble nipples, and lick pussy------hell, these are 3 of my favorite things, so, I must be a lesbian!"

    Yeh, me too
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    Yeh, me too
    So you get invited to "girls only" nights out?
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    Not unless a pink feather boa counts as drag.

    (Coupled with black jeans, black T, mirror shades and leather bike jacket).
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    Er... no.
    A genuine (as in worn, used, scuffed and scraped) bike leather.
    With absolutely no shiny studs or sequins.
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    If homosexual behavior were in fact "evolutionarily contraproductive" it would have been selected out of our gene set. Because it exists it must have some survival value. What that survival value is should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about human all male societies like the military and prisons. Physically weak persons survive and florish by offering sexual satisfaction and emotional support to dominant, physically stronger or higher ranking males. That they have done so in no way makes them incapable of being fathers. However being killed would make the chance of becoming a father rather remote. So being adept at homosexual behavior has survival value.
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    While gays get all the criticism,lesbians are seen in a more appropriate way! Ƒor a humanitarian both are appropriate as it may stand!

    But i like lesbians only because they are girls(most very hot)and that's why i never seem to criticise them as i should not!

    But find myself criticising the male part of this stuff! (Am not fair).
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    At least you're able to recognize that your opinion is hypocritical.

    To be fair, I am aware of the anti-gay culture in many parts of Africa. Nigeria, if I'm not mistaken, still holds homosexual practices illegal. I can understand, though not sympathize, with your viewpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    While gays get all the criticism,lesbians are seen in a more appropriate way! Ƒor a humanitarian both are appropriate as it may stand!

    But i like lesbians only because they are girls(most very hot)and that's why i never seem to criticise them as i should not!

    But find myself criticising the male part of this stuff! (Am not fair).
    And.......another one for the ignore list.
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    My country sees it as illegal and So do i. But the fact that i myself prefer the female part of same thing to the male makes Me partial. i should denounce both!

    Above is what i mean.
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    i should denounce both!
    Why?

    I'd think the better thing to do would be to ignore other people's bedroom habits entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    My country sees it as illegal and So do i. But the fact that i myself prefer the female part of same thing to the male makes Me partial. i should denounce both!

    Above is what i mean.
    If you're torn on the issue, you could side with letting other people live their own lives rather than restricting their freedoms.

    You're basically at a crossroads. You have the choice to accept other people for what they are. The path you're about to walk is one of discrimination and intolerance. Since you seem to be at that junction, I would suggest very strongly that you consider being more tolerant of the way other people behave. Especially when it does not negatively affect you.

    As people, we have little ability to make changes in the world. Our influence is small. The only thing we can change is ourselves. If enough of us choose to be tolerant and accepting of others, the scale of our influence begins to grow. Consider this point your opportunity to take a stand for the rights of the individual.
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    My country sees it as illegal and So do i. But the fact that i myself prefer the female part of same thing to the male makes Me partial. i should denounce both!

    Above is what i mean.
    If you're torn on the issue, you could side with letting other people live their own lives rather than restricting their freedoms.

    You're basically at a crossroads. You have the choice to accept other people for what they are. The path you're about to walk is one of discrimination and intolerance. Since you seem to be at that junction, I would suggest very strongly that you consider being more tolerant of the way other people behave. Especially when it does not negatively affect you.

    As people, we have little ability to make changes in the world. Our influence is small. The only thing we can change is ourselves. If enough of us choose to be tolerant and accepting of others, the scale of our influence begins to grow. Consider this point your opportunity to take a stand for the rights of the individual.
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    Some people appear to be taking the argument more intense while standing Ƒor gays.
    Thanks, now I know what countries to nuke and go to war with when I become America's final republican president in 2034. Unfortunately the republican party would agree with your barbaric treatment of homosexuals, so it may be difficult to pull off.
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    My country sees it as illegal and So do i. But the fact that i myself prefer the female part of same thing to the male makes Me partial. i should denounce both!

    Above is what i mean.
    Why exactly do you feel you should be denouncing people for an immutable part of there biology. Specifically what have I done as a gay man that you feel I need to be denounced for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
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    My country sees it as illegal and So do i. But the fact that i myself prefer the female part of same thing to the male makes Me partial. i should denounce both!

    Above is what i mean.
    Why exactly do you feel you should be denouncing people for an immutable part of there biology. Specifically what have I done as a gay man that you feel I need to be denounced for?
    You have to understand the mentality toward homosexuality in certain parts of Africa (I am, of course, assuming that merumario is Nigerian and currently lives there). It has become a propaganda machine that homosexuality is an animal act and that homosexuals are mentally ill or worse.

    It's almost a cult of personality. It's not based on rationale or logic. It's not about what you have done to them. It's about the people being informed by their authority that homosexuals are filthy and should not be tolerated.
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    My country sees it as illegal and So do i. But the fact that i myself prefer the female part of same thing to the male makes Me partial. i should denounce both!

    Above is what i mean.
    Why exactly do you feel you should be denouncing people for an immutable part of there biology. Specifically what have I done as a gay man that you feel I need to be denounced for?
    You have to understand the mentality toward homosexuality in certain parts of Africa (I am, of course, assuming that merumario is Nigerian and currently lives there). It has become a propaganda machine that homosexuality is an animal act and that homosexuals are mentally ill or worse.

    It's almost a cult of personality. It's not based on rationale or logic. It's not about what you have done to them. It's about the people being informed by their authority that homosexuals are filthy and should not be tolerated.
    He's right, you know. No amount of reasoning will reach this group of people. All we can really do is be glad America is at least partially tolerant towards homosexuals(though sadly the US is still pretty bigoted in some areas of the country).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    My country sees it as illegal and So do i. But the fact that i myself prefer the female part of same thing to the male makes Me partial. i should denounce both!

    Above is what i mean.
    Why exactly do you feel you should be denouncing people for an immutable part of there biology. Specifically what have I done as a gay man that you feel I need to be denounced for?
    You have to understand the mentality toward homosexuality in certain parts of Africa (I am, of course, assuming that merumario is Nigerian and currently lives there). It has become a propaganda machine that homosexuality is an animal act and that homosexuals are mentally ill or worse.

    It's almost a cult of personality. It's not based on rationale or logic. It's not about what you have done to them. It's about the people being informed by their authority that homosexuals are filthy and should not be tolerated.
    Im very much aware of that. BUT the only way to change that is to confront it, not to say "thats the way it is oh well."
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    Yea that's the way it appears.
    That is the way what appears? Will you respond to my questions from post 78?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    I'm very much aware of that. BUT the only way to change that is to confront it, not to say "thats the way it is oh well."
    I understand and agree. You can read my post to merumario on the previous page.

    I'm simply suggesting that understanding why a person holds a certain belief is as important as understanding that belief itself.
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    I'm very much aware of that. BUT the only way to change that is to confront it, not to say "thats the way it is oh well."
    I understand and agree. You can read my post to merumario on the previous page.

    I'm simply suggesting that understanding why a person holds a certain belief is as important as understanding that belief itself.
    I never denied that, and as I said I am very much aware of the politics involved.
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    My country sees it as illegal and So do i. But the fact that i myself prefer the female part of same thing to the male makes Me partial. i should denounce both!

    Above is what i mean.
    Why exactly do you feel you should be denouncing people for an immutable part of there biology. Specifically what have I done as a gay man that you feel I need to be denounced for?
    You have to understand the mentality toward homosexuality in certain parts of Africa (I am, of course, assuming that merumario is Nigerian and currently lives there). It has become a propaganda machine that homosexuality is an animal act and that homosexuals are mentally ill or worse.

    It's almost a cult of personality. It's not based on rationale or logic. It's not about what you have done to them. It's about the people being informed by their authority that homosexuals are filthy and should not be tolerated.
    Im very much aware of that. BUT the only way to change that is to confront it, not to say "thats the way it is oh well."
    Time heals all wounds. Natural selection will eliminate bias from populations, and although you may never live to see that day, your descendants at least will... I'd say the best move would be to best equip your kids to survive in this world, and if they can't live to see the day either, then maybe their children will, and so on. That's how I see it, anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
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    I'm very much aware of that. BUT the only way to change that is to confront it, not to say "thats the way it is oh well."
    I understand and agree. You can read my post to merumario on the previous page.

    I'm simply suggesting that understanding why a person holds a certain belief is as important as understanding that belief itself.
    I never denied that, and as I said I am very much aware of the politics involved.
    It contradicts my religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
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    I'm very much aware of that. BUT the only way to change that is to confront it, not to say "thats the way it is oh well."
    I understand and agree. You can read my post to merumario on the previous page.

    I'm simply suggesting that understanding why a person holds a certain belief is as important as understanding that belief itself.
    I never denied that, and as I said I am very much aware of the politics involved.
    It contradicts my religion.
    The same is true of many people here in the States.

    This again leaves you with multiple choices. You could choose to believe that your religion is correct and that homosexuals are abominations OR you could choose to think that perhaps your religion is outdated and that the human mindset has changed since that doctrine was created.

    It's important to note that you don't have to stop believing in God when you say that perhaps the ideals you have been taught are no longer relevant in modern society.

    At some point in history, Christians decided that stoning adulterous wives was no longer acceptable even though it was in the Bible. Things change.
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    My country sees it as illegal and So do i. But the fact that i myself prefer the female part of same thing to the male makes Me partial. i should denounce both!

    Above is what i mean.
    Why exactly do you feel you should be denouncing people for an immutable part of there biology. Specifically what have I done as a gay man that you feel I need to be denounced for?
    You have to understand the mentality toward homosexuality in certain parts of Africa (I am, of course, assuming that merumario is Nigerian and currently lives there). It has become a propaganda machine that homosexuality is an animal act and that homosexuals are mentally ill or worse.

    It's almost a cult of personality. It's not based on rationale or logic. It's not about what you have done to them. It's about the people being informed by their authority that homosexuals are filthy and should not be tolerated.
    Im very much aware of that. BUT the only way to change that is to confront it, not to say "thats the way it is oh well."
    Time heals all wounds. Natural selection will eliminate bias from populations, and although you may never live to see that day, your descendants at least will... I'd say the best move would be to best equip your kids to survive in this world, and if they can't live to see the day either, then maybe their children will, and so on. That's how I see it, anyways.
    This is not a situation where natural selection is something that can be looked to for a solution, it is an education issue that needs to be talked about openly.
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    I'm very much aware of that. BUT the only way to change that is to confront it, not to say "thats the way it is oh well."
    I understand and agree. You can read my post to merumario on the previous page.

    I'm simply suggesting that understanding why a person holds a certain belief is as important as understanding that belief itself.
    I never denied that, and as I said I am very much aware of the politics involved.
    It contradicts my religion.
    How so, specifically?
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    If homosexuality is considered a crime and he lives in Nigeria, my guess is that he's Muslim.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    If homosexuality is considered a crime and he lives in Nigeria, my guess is that he's Muslim.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam
    Dont be to sure about that. The massive anti-gay sentiment in Uganda has been exploited and fanned by Christian fundamentalists from the US.
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    Yeah, Christianity is pretty much the second major religion in any given third world nation. I was just going with statistical probability.

    I think it's also important to note that homosexuality is a crime in some African nations (in accordance with Islam). Being that homosexuals are criminals (regardless of the justification), they are immediately labeled with a second stigma. Here in the US, homosexuals may not be as widely accepted as they should be, but at least it isn't equivalent to being a convicted sex criminal. Getting over both of those obstacles would be a major challenge.

    Hopefully, it is one people can overcome.
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    i am a christain.
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    Point goes to Paleo.
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    i am a christain.
    Ok, how specifically does it contradict your religion then?
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    a man can only have sex with is wife and anyother form out side that is considered as sexual immoralities e.g masturbation is a sin in my religion.

    and if you want to know more you can read the bible.you will get it in any remote locations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    a man can only have sex with is wife and anyother form out side that is considered as sexual immoralities e.g masturbation is a sin in my religion.

    and if you want to know more you can read the bible.you will get it in any remote locations.
    So you are following portions of the levitical code. What portions are you following and what portions are you not following? BTW context is important as the commentary about masturbation was in reference to spilling seed rather then impregnating your dead brothers wife weather she or you wanted to or not. It is not valid in modern society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    So you are following portions of the levitical code. What portions are you following and what portions are you not following?
    But...but...True Christians only follow the parts of Leviticus that are hateful and bigoted.
    All the non-repugnant laws (e.g. "neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee.") can be ignored; God was only joking when he made those laws.
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    See ya you deranged maniacs, I'm going to a new forum here: The Original Science Forums, under a new username. Bye
    You just can't stop finding new ways to show us just how ironic your name is, huh? Tell you what, I'll make it so you can't return, just to help you out. Sheesh.
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    a man can only have sex with is wife and anyother form out side that is considered as sexual immoralities e.g masturbation is a sin in my religion.
    and if you want to know more you can read the bible.you will get it in any remote locations.
    If you're going by Leviticus type rules then you need to be more specific. How many wives? Two, twenty, two hundred?

    (We'll just forget about concubines for the time being, shall we?)
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    See ya you deranged maniacs, I'm going to a new forum here: The Original Science Forums, under a new username. Bye
    Good riddance!

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