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Thread: What did darwin say at his deathbed, and why did he say it?

  1. #1 What did darwin say at his deathbed, and why did he say it? 
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    my mom told me he said evolution was false... or something like that


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    It is false.

    Deathbed conversion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    From Darwin's son: "Lady Hope's account of my father's views on religion is quite untrue. I have publicly accused her of falsehood, but have not seen any reply."

    From Darwin's daughter: "I was present at his deathbed. Lady Hope was not present during his last illness, or any illness. I believe he never even saw her, but in any case she had no influence over him in any department of thought or belief. He never recanted any of his scientific views, either then or earlier. We think the story of his conversion wasfabricated in the U.S.A. The whole story has no foundation whatever."[


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    What did Darwin say?
    "Aargh! I'm dying".

    Why did he say it?
    Because he WAS dying.

    my mom told me he said evolution was false... or something like that
    That's a common (among the gullible at least) myth.
    Darwin did NOT renounce evolution, nor did he convert to Christianity.
    Google is your friend: Deathbed conversion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Probably a "ghasp" noise as he struggled for his last breath.
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    what was the idea of how animals came about before darwin proposed his evolution theory?
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    They could be bought from pet shops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    what was the idea of how animals came about before darwin proposed his evolution theory?
    There was Mendel and Lamarck for genetics and long ago... the ignorant and absurd supposition by common people of "Spontaneous Generation."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    what was the idea of how animals came about before darwin proposed his evolution theory?
    Believe it or not: evolution (among other ideas).

    Darwin did not invent evolution. (And Newton did not invent gravity).

    Darwin did not come up with the first scientific theory of evolution. (And was not even the only one to come up with that theory of evolution.)
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    Farmers were breeding special types of cattle and people were breeding different breeds of dogs and horses long before Darwin formalized his theory. Specialized breeding is the practical application of evolutionary principles. People have been doing it since prehistory. What Darwin realized was that unaided nature could select for desirable traits just as surely as any farmer or dog fancier. He also realized that given enough time and severe enough conditions new species could arrise by this process.

    Prior to his formulation of the ToE people believed in the direct creation of every type of living thing. They believed this in spite of no one ever witnessing anything being '"poofed " into existence.

    Of course people had no idea of "deep time". They believed the world was less than ten thousand years old. In the short time they belived the world had been in existence the is no time for evolution to work.

    Had Darwin not been aware of the work of geologists studying sedimetary rocks that clearly showed that the Earth was far older that the biblical 6000 yrs, who knows , he might not have seen the possiblity of evolutinary change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealeaf View Post
    Prior to his formulation of the ToE people believed in the direct creation of every type of living thing.
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    Of course people had no idea of "deep time". They believed the world was less than ten thousand years old.
    Some people may have thought that. I doubt it was true of the majority of scientists and philosophers.

    Here is a brief summary of ideas about evolution: AboutDarwin.com - Evolution before Darwin

    And more detail here: History of evolutionary thought - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    my mom told me he said evolution was false... or something like that
    As you become older you will learn that many things that others, including your own parents, are SOMETIMES mistaken. You should always VERIFY whatever anyone tells you just to be certain what they say is factual and true and not just something they want you to believe. That's why a good education will let you be able to tell the differences between shit and shinola!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    You should always VERIFY whatever anyone tells you just to be certain what they say is factual and true and not just something they want you to believe.
    You're making that up.
    I can't find any peer-reviewed papers that say you're telling the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    You should always VERIFY whatever anyone tells you just to be certain what they say is factual and true and not just something they want you to believe.
    You're making that up.
    I can't find any peer-reviewed papers that say you're telling the truth.
    Did you use Dogpile again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    my mom told me...
    As Sheldon would say, "I offer you a look of amused exhaustion."

    As for what Darwin actually said, it really matters very little. The theory of evolution does not hinge upon his acceptance or approval. We've had, big surprise here, quite a few insights into evolution since Darwin. Whilst he may have brought the subject to light, it is not affected by some myth about his deathbed confession.
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    What did darwin say at his deathbed?
    "I'm feeling better now."

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    As for what Darwin actually said, it really matters very little. The theory of evolution does not hinge upon his acceptance or approval. We've had, big surprise here, quite a few insights into evolution since Darwin. Whilst he may have brought the subject to light, it is not affected by some myth about his deathbed confession.
    Quite. If he had said, "Oh my God! I got it all wrong!" it wouldn't have made any difference. He was not some sort of prophet who we mus believe "because Darwin said so". He presented a theory (which was also developed by others). This has since been shown, by experiment and observation, to be largely correct. Some things he said turned out to be wrong. And there are many things we have found out since; e.g. he did not know about genes or even (probably) Mendel's work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    What did darwin say at his deathbed?
    "I'm feeling better now."

    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    As for what Darwin actually said, it really matters very little. The theory of evolution does not hinge upon his acceptance or approval. We've had, big surprise here, quite a few insights into evolution since Darwin. Whilst he may have brought the subject to light, it is not affected by some myth about his deathbed confession.
    Quite. If he had said, "Oh my God! I got it all wrong!" it wouldn't have made any difference. He was not some sort of prophet who we mus believe "because Darwin said so". He presented a theory (which was also developed by others). This has since been shown, by experiment and observation, to be largely correct. Some things he said turned out to be wrong. And there are many things we have found out since; e.g. he did not know about genes or even (probably) Mendel's work.
    This falls along the lines of those who claim that Einstein plagiarized others to come up with Relativity and therefore the theory should be dismissed. Whether or not Einstein stole his ideas from others has no bearing on the validity of those ideas.
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