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    IMG_0029.JPG how to scientifically shrink the fat off the body without exercise but natural and realistic way? im 18 yrs old by the way. thank you


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    Why without exercise? Building muscle is the best way to do it.


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    is it okay to just build muscle without cardio will it also shrink fat?
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    Muscle eats fat all the time. Cardio burns fat while you exercize. I value cardio (I run marathons), but for getting lean, you really have to strength train. If you don't want to bulk up, you can use a greater number of light reps to build lean muscle instead.

    I have found the idea of building muscle to burn fat really hinders people. Women think they will get muscular and unattractive and men think they will be forced into bodybuilding. Truth is, simple strength training (obviously with dietary changes) will be the easiest way to burn fat and slim down without having to research things like supplements.
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    Getting in shape is both simple and hard. The plan is simple, doing it is hard. Though like anything that's hard it's not so bad if you're actually up for it. I go to the gym 4 days a week and never have to drag myself there as I love it. Find yourself an exercise buddy if you can, makes things a lot easier and turns it into a social occasion There are many ways to go about it. I don't do any cardio, just resistance work.
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    Yeah, the motivation is the hard part.

    I personally would never skip cardio completely simply because most of us don't get enough of it. Cardio does so much for so many aspects of your body and general wellness. It makes you feel great from the endorphin rush, you don't get tired NEARLY as quick during the day (great for me on field work trips), and it works wonders for the sex life.

    One of the first things I ask when people tell me they're feeling depressed is whether or not they do cardio.
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    there is a system called an: Acid Base Reaction: I would consume SALT: Not table; I use Celtic Sea Salt specifically; 3 times a day; just a pinh in water, JUST A PINCH Only

    Salt melts FAT; my opinion after 30yrs of reading Bio-chem

    DO Tell US how you are doing with it.!
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    Salt melts FAT; my opinion after 30yrs of reading Bio-chem
    This is dangerous, pernicious nonsense.

    Any members or others reading this thread should note that the advice in #7 is dreadfully wrong. Do not follow it.


    A certain amount of NaCl included in food is vital for several biological processes. Look at the Recommended intake section here, Salt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - noting always that adding 4 grams of salt daily to your diet, whether on food or otherwise, will certainly be over-consumption because most processed foods contain salt already. Check out the labels on breakfast cereals, breads, crackers, snacks, cakes, canned vegetables, cheese, meat products and ready prepared meals to see what I mean.
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    Hi adikboy,

    First of all, I’m not a dietician or expert in this, this is just my own personal research and opinion. I think it would be very helpful if you list to us some of the food and drink you typically consume on a weekly basis?

    All healthy and unhealthy food and drink we consume contains calories. Our body requires these calories for energy, but if you consume more calories than your body requires, then those extra calories will convert into fat, which is what you’re seeing around your stomach and chin.

    So we don’t know anything about your diet or how much exercise you do (exercise can include daily activities like walking, cycling or using stairs instead of a lift etc.). Of course going to a gym is great, but small changes to your diet and daily activities can be all you will ever need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Salt melts FAT; my opinion after 30yrs of reading Bio-chem
    This is dangerous, pernicious nonsense.

    Any members or others reading this thread should note that the advice in #7 is dreadfully wrong. Do not follow it.


    A certain amount of NaCl included in food is vital for several biological processes. Look at the Recommended intake section here, Salt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - noting always that adding 4 grams of salt daily to your diet, whether on food or otherwise, will certainly be over-consumption because most processed foods contain salt already. Check out the labels on breakfast cereals, breads, crackers, snacks, cakes, canned vegetables, cheese, meat products and ready prepared meals to see what I mean.
    One Again: i did not reference to: NaCl ...... Do you know what the word; Soluble mean; is table salt soluble?
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    NaCl is soluble in polar solvents like water. What does that have to do with anything?

    Do NOT add salt to your diet. Very few people need more salt in their diet. It also has nothing to do with losing weight. If anything, adding salt will increase water retention and cause you to gain weight, get puffy, and raise your blood pressure.

    Ignore that post and kudos to adelady for making it a moderator point to ignore it.
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    Hi adikboy,

    First of all, I’m not a dietician or expert in this, this is just my own personal research and opinion. I think it would be very helpful if you list to us some of the food and drink you typically consume on a weekly basis?

    All healthy and unhealthy food and drink we consume contains calories. Our body requires these calories for energy, but if you consume more calories than your body requires, then those extra calories will convert into fat, which is what you’re seeing around your stomach and chin.

    So we don’t know anything about your diet or how much exercise you do (exercise can include daily activities like walking, cycling or using stairs instead of a lift etc.). Of course going to a gym is great, but small changes to your diet and daily activities can be all you will ever need.
    my life is sedentary and my diet is 3 cups of rice thrice a day with meats from fish,chicken,pork,beef, sometimes canned spam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adikboy View Post
    my life is sedentary
    You can fix that.
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    Certainly agree with you (Mr Montana) about importance of cardio and with regards to depression. I certainly wasn't discouraging anyone from doing cardio.

    Body type is relevant of course. For me I don't need to consider diet or cardio, but I do need to do resistance work. My work out partner is different. He can put on muscle easily but also fat, so he must do cardio and have a stricter diet, but doesn't have to do as much resistance work to see the same gain in muscle. You need to learn how YOUR body responds to different types of exercise and diet, people will give you advice that's relevant to them (as I probably did earlier) but you need to find out what work for you (its trial and error and takes a little while).
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    I understand what you're saying. In general, everyone could benefit from a 30 minute walk or a light jog every day.

    I agree with you, however, that muscle is more important to burning fat than people realize.

    If your life is mostly spent on a couch, you won't lose weight unless you change that. There is no "easy" way to lose weight. People will always try to sell you some drug or supplement or weird workout device that burns fat while you're asleep, but only muscle will actually do that.
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    Please can anyone see a question in this statement: My observation: if Doctors don't seem to recommend or like table salt.
    THEN PLEASE Tell me why they all "seem" to like Saline Solution??? HA.! If you see a question here: Take my challenge below...

    * solubility "Can anyone, especially “Neverfly & Phdemon”, to explain what the word solubility means in chemistry.!

    * An alternative word for SOLUBLE with same meaning is: ORGANIC?
    I do not mean plants grown without chemicals.

    * Also: what are these systems; can you explain them?
    - An Acid Base Reaction & Sodium Potassium pump.

    “I challenge YOU, Neverfly & Phdemon”; are you UP For IT, or all talk & little reading.

    NO more BAD mouthing something you seem not to understand.
    READ READ READ THEN If you have something like Science quality facts to talk to; we shall see...
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    Quote Originally Posted by okwithme View Post
    Please can anyone see a question in this statement: My observation: if Doctors don't seem to recommend or like table salt.
    THEN PLEASE Tell me why they all "seem" to like Saline Solution??? HA.! If you see a question here: Take my challenge below...

    * solubility "Can anyone, especially “Neverfly & Phdemon”, to explain what the word solubility means in chemistry.!

    * An alternative word for SOLUBLE with same meaning is: ORGANIC?
    I do not mean plants grown without chemicals.

    * Also: what are these systems; can you explain them?
    - An Acid Base Reaction & Sodium Potassium pump.

    “I challenge YOU, Neverfly & Phdemon”; are you UP For IT, or all talk & little reading.

    NO more BAD mouthing something you seem not to understand.
    READ READ READ THEN If you have something like Science quality facts to talk to; we shall see...
    Wow. Yeah... Because... you know... I have just been all over this thread, dogging you left and right, huh?

    Sodium is a natural part of our diet and helps balance sodium to potassium levels. It's an alkaline mineral found in most things we eat.

    But in high doses, it increases blood pressure, endangers the brain and can kill you.
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    Please can anyone see a question in this statement: My observation:
    My observations only: If Doctors don't "seem" to recommend or like table salt.
    THEN PLEASE Tell me why they all "seem" to like Saline solution???
    * If you see a question here: Take my challenge below...

    * solubility "Can anyone, especially “Neverfly & Phdemon”, to explain what the word solubility means in chemistry.!

    An alternative word for SOLUBLE with same meaning is: ORGANIC?
    I do not mean plants grown without chemicals.

    * Also: what are these systems?
    - An Acid Base Reaction & Sodium Potassium pump.
    ONCE You understand them, you should then understand WHAT I am talking about...

    “Neverfly & Phdemon please”
    NO more BAD mouthing something you seem not to understand. READ THEN we can talk...

    PS: Hello adikboy / dude; may I ask you a few questions? If yes?
    - Do you sweat a lot & does your sweat have little odder to it? I would think not...
    - Is your Sleep not so good; do you toss & turn all night & night sweats, mainly on the torso?
    - Your mind & you are always on the go; can’t sit still?
    - Do have any dark circles under your eyes:do you get low back pain?

    I have more questions torso?, but if you like, I will ask them later. At this point, you must be wondering What’s What. IF you like Sir, do try to understand the question I have asked & the systems I spoke of

    PS: Under this area of study Human Biology; I consider myself a research reports on this topic… I am not a doctor in anyway, just a health searcher, reporting news…
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    Please can anyone see a question in this statement: My observation: if Doctors don't seem to recommend or like table salt. THEN PLEASE Tell me why they all seen to like Saline solution??? HA.! If you see a question here: Take my challenge below...

    * solubility "Can anyone, especially “Neverfly & Phdemon”, explain what the word solubility means in chemistry.!

    An alternative word for SOLUBLE with same meaning is: ORGANIC?
    I do not mean plants grown without chemicals.

    *
    Also: what are these systems?
    - An Acid Base Reaction & Sodium Potassium pump.
    ONCE You understand them, you should then understand WHAT I am talking about...

    “Neverfly & Phdemon please” take my challenge to understate what you speak of. Answer my questions above and POST YOUR FINDING for All to read!!!
    NO more BAD mouthing something you seem not to understand. READ THEN we can talk

    PS: Hello adikboy / dude; may I ask you a few questions? If yes would you mind to answer these question on this form, for All to read? All good either way...
    - Do you sweat a lot & does your sweat have little odder to it? I would think not...
    - Is your Sleep not so good; do you toss & turn all night & night sweats, mainly on the torso?
    - Your mind & you are always on the go; can’t sit still?
    - Do have any dark circles under your eyes:do you get low back pain?

    I have more questions adikboy?, but if you like, I will ask them later. At this point, you must be wondering What’s What. IF you like Sir, do try to understand the question I have asked & the systems I spoke of

    PS: Under this area of study Human Biology; I consider myself a research reporter on this topic… I am not a doctor in anyway, just a health searcher reporting news…
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    Aww I got challenged with purty colors!
    Not that I care...
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    TO: “Neverfly & Phdemon” Re okwithme; I must say: You both live-up to your user names..If you are happy with Rhetoric over science; good luck with that; MY CASE IN POINT in your last post, no supportive research facts of functional biological system, just Rhetoric; as you said below "I'm “not at all sure what solubility has to do with it” either, both sea salt and NaCl are very soluble"... okwithme: you seem just as you speak: “not at all sure”I find your unwillingness to speak strictly though science: DROLE! And I will not again reply to either of you until YOU can speak throw science. For the sack of dialog: Answer my "Qs" with science facts. You talk & all I hear are two unhappy people & rhetoric. That’s not for me; good luck with that..PS: I would bet you both experience Heartburn or called Acid reflux; funny that word Reflux is a name used to describe this, are ready for this, so called digestive system; witch it is not. Forget it guys– you both can’t get through the concept of Soluble or Organic; forget the Histamine pathway (H2) (H1) are the (5) immune antibodies... So what is: (H2) do?
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    My advice is to do a little research on your daily calorie count. Most labels found on your purchased foods (and drink) should specify their calorie content. You should get yourself familiar with these calories as the average amount of calories recommended for an adult man to consume in a day is approx. 2500 calories. If you’re concerned about your weight then you don’t want to find yourself constantly going over that recommendation, especially if you don’t do any exercise. Also note sugary drinks like Coke are high in calories, which is bad.

    But If I was in your shoes I’d pay attention to Flick Montana and SHF as they seem to know what they’re talking about. You have to find ways to use up those calories otherwise they get stored as fat.
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    PhDemon is right. There's too much ignorance to even being to break down. I've only ever seen Dyw and SpeedFreak tackle such a monumental load of crap before. I'm not up for it.

    I will say this, however. Sodium is very much required by our body in order to function. We use sodium pumps in our cells for cellular communication and without it we could die. That having been said, there is NO reason to increase your intake of salt unless you're developing a goiter (which you don't appear to be).

    I could also caution okwithme that posting misinformation or trying to mislead another poster is fraudulent and will likely put you on the fast track to a suspension. Either cut it out, or educate yourself and come back with some facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adikboy View Post
    Hi adikboy,

    First of all, I’m not a dietician or expert in this, this is just my own personal research and opinion. I think it would be very helpful if you list to us some of the food and drink you typically consume on a weekly basis?

    All healthy and unhealthy food and drink we consume contains calories. Our body requires these calories for energy, but if you consume more calories than your body requires, then those extra calories will convert into fat, which is what you’re seeing around your stomach and chin.

    So we don’t know anything about your diet or how much exercise you do (exercise can include daily activities like walking, cycling or using stairs instead of a lift etc.). Of course going to a gym is great, but small changes to your diet and daily activities can be all you will ever need.
    my life is sedentary and my diet is 3 cups of rice thrice a day with meats from fish,chicken,pork,beef, sometimes canned spam.
    Do I understand you to eat 9 cups of rice in a day? That's a lot of calories just from the rice. Perhaps a good place to start would be to get an understanding of precisely how many calories you are eating so that you can identify a good starting point for a safe and healthy adjustment.

    Rice Calorie Counter

    The very first thing I would look to eliminate from your diet is Spam because if you look at it's nutritional profile, it is very high in sodium and saturated fat.

    Calories in Spam - Nutrition Facts
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    The very first thing I would look to eliminate from your diet is Spam because if you look at it's nutritional profile, it is very high in sodium and saturated fat.
    No, no, no! He needs MORE sodium, remember?

    In all seriousness, though, you will want to reconsider your diet. You say you eat fish, which is really good and too often omitted from diets. Chicken and pork are good proteins as well. Stay away from too much beef and I would avoid canned products at all costs.

    Fresh veg and lots of fruit will get you most of your vitamins. You can always snack on something like celery as well. It nets you very few calories and serves basically as a filler. Cold water is great when you have a snack crave at a bad time as well (like 30 mins before meal time). It can partially satisfy hunger, nets you no calories, and people typically don't get enough of it.

    Bottom line: losing weight is not easy at first, but it gets easier after it become habit.
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    There are benefits to exercise besides weight loss, by the way. Looking at your diet, it seems like you are not eating any fruits or vegetables, so you are probably missing a lot of essential nutrients, which could be making you feel hungry and tired (which could be why you don't feel like exercising.) To lose weight, you need to burn more calories than you take in. Without exercise, you would have to decrease your caloric intake by a lot. Since you are probably already malnourished - you don't have to be thin to suffer from malnutrition - simply reducing the amount of food you eat is not going to help you. You need a healthier, more balanced diet as well as exercise. Also, since you don't exercise at all right now, I wouldn't make a big deal about which is better, cardio or resistance training. At this point, just do something that you like so you will keep at it. Any exercise is better than none. You can even make a habit of taking the stairs everywhere or standing in front of your computer instead of sitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Bing View Post
    you don't have to be thin to suffer from malnutrition
    This is important to note.

    Your diet doesn't just cause you to be fat or thin. Your psychological state can hinge on your diet as well. If you feel sad or down or just general ennui, it could be a lack of exercise or insubstantial diet. Personally, I would recommend light exercise and more fruit and veg to everyone. Not just people with pounds to lose.
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    Yes, just focus on being healthy and the weight will take care of itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Bing View Post
    You can even make a habit of taking the stairs everywhere or standing in front of your computer instead of sitting.
    Do you actually burn more calories standing rather than sitting?
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    Probably. It does require some core muscles to maintain balance. Plus, it's better for your hips.

    I think the stair thing is probably sufficient, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehushtan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Bing View Post
    You can even make a habit of taking the stairs everywhere or standing in front of your computer instead of sitting.
    Do you actually burn more calories standing rather than sitting?
    Yes. There have been detailed studies on the topic. Precisely how many more calories depends on a number of additional factors.

    As per usual when searching on health issues, the internet was full of inaccuracies about standing and calorie burn. Some people said standing burned almost no extra calories, while others said that it burned twice as much as sitting. So I scoured peer-reviewed articles for the most rigorously conducted studies. Here’s just a bit of what I found.
    This paper compared a range of activities (sitting motionless, sitting and fidgeting, standing, etc) against laying around like a zombie, to see how many extra calories are burned. At first, this paper made me angry. It was a well-conducted study, and showed that standing burns a measly 7.2 calories per hour more than sitting. Are you freaking kidding me, you stupid exercise physiologists?? Not so fast. Hate is the path to the dark side. So is not reading critically.
    The above calculation is done when comparing sitting motionless to standing motionless. If you compare standing while fidgeting to sitting while fidgeting, you get 30 extra calories per hour. If you stand for half the workday, or 4 hours, you burn an extra 120 calories per day. Stretching that out to a full year of working on weekdays, with some vacation and sick time thrown in, and you get…an extra 30,000 calories per year! That amounts to 8.6 pounds of weight loss per year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    PhDemon is right. There's too much ignorance to even being to break down. I've only ever seen Dyw and SpeedFreak tackle such a monumental load of crap before. I'm not up for it.

    I will say this, however. Sodium is very much required by our body in order to function. We use sodium pumps in our cells for cellular communication and without it we could die. That having been said, there is NO reason to increase your intake of salt unless you're developing a goiter (which you don't appear to be).

    I could also caution okwithme that posting misinformation or trying to mislead another poster is fraudulent and will likely put you on the fast track to a suspension. Either cut it out, or educate yourself and come back with some facts.
    OK:
    okwithme: I am sorry, my fault, this is an educational sharing forum. If it was that easy; re viable in the teaching or YOU JUST missed it in your notes. I see that disinformation has taken hold; live and well…

    Flick Montana quote: I will say this, [that’s so nice of you, go further Sir] however. Sodium is very much required by our body in order to function. We use sodium pumps in our cells for cellular communication, [& to produce the electrical, positve/negative , field of the body; as the rythum of the heart] and without it we could die. That having been said, there is NO reason to increase
    your intake of salt unless you're developing a goiter (which you don't appear to be).

    okwitme: Lets Try Again; lets start here with your statement Flick Montana. So far, you are the only one doing homework: Flick Montana’ quote: “Sodium is very much required by our body in order to function”. And basically you said: there is NO reason to increase
    your intake of salt other then.

    Okwithme: YES, I agree, Salt Is vital, BUT it needs to be biologically available; soluble, not just present.

    okwithme: Does anyone know about Pathology; I would think soooo?
    There are pathways that trigger the kidneys to reclaim elements. Recycling elements back into the system/body, to be used again. If that system/pathway/Gut Flora, is not able or not present/died off to do this job. Than the kidneys would not be able to reclaim such elements (depleting the system of, as: calcium, phosphorus, sodium & potassium) back into the body/blood for reuse. Flick Montana’ quote: “NO reason to increase
    your intake of salt” If no reseaon; this is a big reason. What that will supporting many vital systems.

    Alternately if kidneys are NOT reclaiming them back in the body; the kidney’s globular filtration system would dump the kidneys contents into the urinary track for removal; that leads us to kidney stone; but that’s for another day.

    SOLUBLE: The ability to hold a static charge, in chemistry”.

    Try Soluble Experiment: Put table salt into a clear glass of water, then put a measured amount of table salt in the glass; stir till dissolved. If after 5 - 10 minutes the measured amount of salt is resting on bottom the glass; I say: IT IS NOT SOLUBLE & non biological available, even if present. IF that happens; what of the S/P pump Flick Montana; would cells suffer? True acidosis, as I understand it, is high blood potassium. Read about Anion GAP: blood bicarbonate & protein


    PS: “Flick Montana’s, Neverfly & Phdemon; General Quote from you all: “posting misinformation or trying to mislead another poster is fraudulent”

    okwithme” You guys are exhausting, but its OK; I have found MOST, Doctors, pharmacists either side step the topic or confused by this term in it’s proper use; soluble but NOT Alchemists.

    Fostering disinformation, condition the masses is part of the establishment & making inflammatory statements are: roderick slander supporting disinformation. You Have the wrong person hear…

    Once YOU understand guys; in advance I except your apology(s), if at that time of understanding, you are UP For Humility. I have to have lots of humility: to get most folks debunked. As MOST DO NOT Get It for a while. Salt is, pardon the pun, so ingrained in folk’s minds; I found their minds entrenched.

    If you can back-up your thoughts/words with science fact researched & supported; I am dune hear. IF you think, adikboy, you would like to ask me questions; all good…

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    Put table salt into a clear glass of water, then put a measured amount of table salt in the glass; stir till dissolved. If after 5 - 10 minutes the measured amount of salt is resting on bottom the glass; I say: IT IS NOT SOLUBLE & non biological available
    In what universe is this remotely like the churning of ocean waters or a human stomach or a simmering casserole on a stovetop?

    As for not biologically available ... that's what chewing, swallowing and digestion are for. Spinach, cheesecake, pizza, milkshakes are not "biologically available" as served. We have a whole ecosystem in our digestive tracts whose dedicated function is to extract nutrients from such foods, present them in usable form to our circulation and to get rid of the residues appropriately.
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    Standing requires you to support more of your body weight, which requires more work. However, it is not just about burning calories; it is about learning how to support your body weight, possibly in preparation for more vigorous activity later on. I am, however, curious, what adikboy means when he says he is sedentary. Nobody is entirely sedentary. What is a typical day for him like?
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    I'm right here. And YOU'RE the reason your threads turns into arguments. You post garbage, then insult people for knowing more than you.
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    I did a fun experiment presenting to 6th graders where I superaturated a beaker of salt water, then an ever so slight tap on the side of the beaker caused the salt to instantly precipitate out in a very cool effect. So yeah, someone with a basic knowledge of chemistry can grasp what saturation means.

    I would suggest ou spend more time listening and learning and less time trying to belittle people.
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    Hello Alex Bing: Diplomacy Thank You

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    MAY I Ask: Your area of interests. Would very much consider your thoughts as guidance: “Sir” from a humble okwithme

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    Low salt levels in the body are very rare, and usually come from drinking enormous quantities of water while also sweating excessively (AKA "water intoxication"), not from a lack of salt in the diet. Probably not much of a risk for someone who is sedentary. More of a risk for someone hiking in a hot climate. If you had it, you would be extremely ill, possibly near death.

    And of course, salt is soluble.
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    Someone who appears to be on a diet consisting of things like spam probably has too much sodium in their diet already.

    Have we heard from the OP recently? Seems like it's been a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by okwithme View Post
    Okwithme: YES, I agree, Salt Is vital, BUT it needs to be biologically available; soluble, not just present.
    There is more than enough "biologically available" salt in a normal diet. Any salt that is present will not only be soluble, but already dissolved.

    SOLUBLE: The ability to hold a static charge, in chemistry”.
    Soluble: able to be dissolved (in an appropriate solvent).
    Soluble - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    Try Soluble Experiment: Put table salt into a clear glass of water, then put a measured amount of table salt in the glass; stir till dissolved. If after 5 - 10 minutes the measured amount of salt is resting on bottom the glass; I say: IT IS NOT SOLUBLE & non biological available, even if present.
    If you were to try drinking that saturated solution you would instantly be sick. So even the dissolved salt is not "biologically available".

    IF that happens; what of the S/P pump Flick Montana; would cells suffer? True acidosis, as I understand it, is high blood potassium. Read about Anion GAP: blood bicarbonate & protein[/B]
    If what happens?

    [/B][B]okwithme” You guys are exhausting, but its OK; I have found MOST, Doctors, pharmacists either side step the topic or confused by this term in it’s proper use; soluble but NOT Alchemists.
    Side step what topic, solubility? And confused by "soluble"? If find that highly unlikely; it is a very simple word and a very simple concept. You seem to be confusing it with something else.

    And alchemists? Are there any?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Maybe he took okwithme's advice and is in the hospital...
    okwithme: I report what I find. Doctors give advice. I am NOT a Dr.; I see your inflammatory statement!
    I consider my self a: A Holistic Health Researcher Reporter:

    * Are you a Dr. PhDemon; As you seem to be saying "H" is the right thing for said person?
    This is Not a dig at you Sir, but a clarification of the facts. thanks from okwithme
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    I think he's a doctor of something, per the usual when one obtains a PhD. However, a medical doctorate is not required to see the fallacy in your salt idea.
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    okwithme: I am only putting the following forth, because, it seems, my arrival in this, really assume Science Forum, was well, eventful.

    okwithme’s Quote & Disclaimer: “I am not a doctor. I am a research reporter of what I call; Holistic Bio-chem & what you do is of your own volition” Thanks

    I am trying to learn enough of partial physics to use as an opening platform to introduce MY health research reporting. I call: Holistic Bio-chem work. There I will support Main stream medicine & Holistic approaches.

    Flick Montana’s Quote: “You're a odd duck, man.”
    okwithme: Well that’s being nice; thank you Flick Montana dude. But the truth be know it/I get worse. What “I say about myself” is not as nice; I am so bad, I don’t have to try to be trying.

    Please if you would Flick Montana: "Q" What are your other areas of interest?
    Are you a Doctor or such, any formal training Sir? Sounds like you might be?

    IF YOU LIKE: TO READ the Following: It’s about ME & my work, so far: okwithme

    My work: I am coming in through the back door in what I call: Holistic Bio-chem.

    I started read in 1981: the first book was by: Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw. You all know it, is called: “Life Extension”. Then cross referenced what all nutrients’ do; did that for yrs. This started be off & I never looked back. Over time, my questions became deeper.
    I was reading medical journals & biology text books/lidature. But something did not add up. I discovered many paradoxes in what I was told about how health re the body works against the very medical journals & biology text books/lidature I have been reading.
    So it made me or queries.

    I came in to doing health research via though the back door/that’s why I am not as elegant. The main topics I read is: Pathology & associative topics

    As a child, I would have been labeled: ADD. I sweat profusely, terrible low back pain, heartburn some call acid reflux, thoughts not clear & mind raising. Bad sleep, tossing all night; right into my early 20s. Until I learned about electrolytes & pathology & if the kidneys can’t reclaim/recycle key nutrients, all systems come right back. I love those bed commercials, that say, better restless sleep & less low back pain. HA!

    Do any of you experience any of these symptoms? I Bet YES! Do you: _________? I find these symptoms & associated health problem: RANPIT everywhere in most countries.

    Years later, I did developed another natural formation out of need: to kick start the broken/interrupted enzymatic pathways of an Auto-immune person; regardless if the person was Auto/Imm 1 mth or 5/10 yrs. In one day Hunger comes back (spleen) & immune system is triggered via by this following list of hints on how this formula work throw. Peptides, calcium channel, Q10 with phospholipids and coffee caffeine to trigger finally: Gastrin. System body’s systems Fire-UP. Hunger comes back & immune system, starts to work/heal.

    Then I worked on how to totally eliminate gram-negative bad super buds completely from the body. A 10 day process, with an All Natural formulation, killed them all dead; sorry bugs you do not belong there in my gut & blood. In 3 or 4 weeks & gained back 45 pounds & was strong & hungry again.

    How did I Know where to start my research for this, last formula. The Chemical lung of all BUGS do not change. The bug can mutate to different stains altering the bugs receptors, but their chemical lung/respiration stays stay the same; + or -. This is the trick & the process/conditions my formula follows. Gram-negative, so called super bugs. I have found, NOT SO MUCH, are NOT that super bad; gone in 10 days for less then $100. tops to fix I found.

    BUT WHAT IS Really interesting: It seems that all Viruses are “gram-negative; WELL I would like it if an HIV/aids sufferer would talk to me to try it, MY, gram-negative formulation. JUST Might work; I THINK SO!!! Cancer is an anaerobic life-form; I would think the same chemical lung, gram-negative. I expect, we shall see about long their final demise/eradiation for good, I think. I heard a number saying that 80% of all bad bugs are: gram-negative. IF that’s the case if this MY formulation works with all of them. President Oboma will get what he wants; less expense for health care. As I said: that’s only half of the story.

    Gram-Positive not the case!
    The bug I picked-up in FL. (if you know pathology) is NOT Nice: gram-positive. As its chemical lung is the same as, most good gut gram-positive Flora. Making them a super super super duper life form, Extremely & really hard to kill; at lease so far. I found & now know realize, Remission IS Possible for, all most any + & - BUG; I believe, I am on that cusp.
    Psoriasis seems to be caused by gram-positive bugs; a friend’s girl-friend has it. She wants to try MY new gram-positive formulation; the one I have just developed, for me, on her Psoriasis. I think, it should work, clear it-up quickly; but only remission; for now. I need more information to churn over.

    Recently: I got a really bad sinus fungal, a gram-positive infection. Its toxins gave me extremely bad head aches & lost a lot of weight. These toxins also effecting my kidneys, lungs, testis & it seemed in days my hair, on top, was 2/3s gone disappearing; oh my god!. I touch pictures.

    Of course, had to figure it out. Well I am on those last steps right now; I think. My hair is thinker now then in last 25yrs. Lungs are great, sinus heads almost gone as well my kidneys are great; I never now never/ever zero get: low back pain & those dark rings under my eyes, & my ___ are good. My grey hair was getting bad; now, not so much; cool.!

    AS I said, I am coming into my knowledge through the back door Everyone; if I was formally trained; who’s to say, what I might think of sooner, It will be interesting soon I think. I am working on launching a com. URL that will over the days news, have visiting health experts discussions issues, article & free how to info, as: what one food, when, eaten, that I have found, with-in 2 month, the worst cases of acne where Eliminate completely cleared up; two months longer & sars faded away, as long as the scaring is at this a little red looking. I ran trials, works great. All this will be on my coming website soon; 6 mths I hope.

    Hello to All on the Science Forum & an extra Hello to the forum’s moderators’ & founders.

    THANKS ALL & a Hello Again from: Dave re okwithme

    “Be Well, all, Fellow Travelers Through This Thing Called Time” My Quote

    PS: * I must Admit something that surprised me recently. In the brief time I have been chatting with you-all; before I thought my successes in formulating was skillful. But a while back, an extraordinary $rich, acquaintance told me; you just have a NAK for this stuff. Well you all on this Science Forum made me realize, I have to have some knowledge but a lot of my talent hear is: A Nak: That being true; I guess; back to the, proverbial, books. Some Ego is ok, but it stops there…..

    “THANKS ALL FOR LISTENING.!’
    Hope We Will Have A Chance To Debate & Learn More

    PPS: “I believe health care is, A RIGHT & NOT A Privilege!” we get sick to gather. Making moneys on the health of others backs; does Not sound Noble & is Not okwithme; what about you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    You're a odd duck, man.
    okwithme: I am only putting the following forth, because, it seems, my arrival in this, really assume Science Forum, was well, eventful.

    okwithme’s Quote & Disclaimer: “I am not a doctor. I am a research reporter of what I call; Holistic Bio-chem & what you do is of your own volition” Thanks

    I am trying to learn enough of partial physics to use as an opening platform to introduce MY health research reporting. I call: Holistic Bio-chem work. There I will support Main stream medicine & Holistic approaches.

    Flick Montana’s Quote: “You're a odd duck, man.”
    okwithme: Well that’s being nice; thank you Flick Montana dude. But the truth be know it/I get worse. What “I say about myself” is not as nice; I am so bad, I don’t have to try to be trying.

    Please if you would Flick Montana: "Q" What are your other areas of interest?
    Are you a Doctor or such, any formal training Sir? Sounds like you might be?

    IF YOU LIKE: TO READ the Following: It’s about ME & my work, so far: okwithme

    My work: I am coming in through the back door in what I call: Holistic Bio-chem.

    I started read in 1981: the first book was by: Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw. You all know it, is called: “Life Extension”. Then cross referenced what all nutrients’ do; did that for yrs. This started be off & I never looked back. Over time, my questions became deeper.
    I was reading medical journals & biology text books/lidature. But something did not add up. I discovered many paradoxes in what I was told about how health re the body works against the very medical journals & biology text books/lidature I have been reading.
    So it made me or queries.

    I came in to doing health research via though the back door/that’s why I am not as elegant. The main topics I read is: Pathology & associative topics

    As a child, I would have been labeled: ADD. I sweat profusely, terrible low back pain, heartburn some call acid reflux, thoughts not clear & mind raising. Bad sleep, tossing all night; right into my early 20s. Until I learned about electrolytes & pathology & if the kidneys can’t reclaim/recycle key nutrients, all systems come right back. I love those bed commercials, that say, better restless sleep & less low back pain. HA!

    Do any of you experience any of these symptoms? I Bet YES! Do you: _________? I find these symptoms & associated health problem: RANPIT everywhere in most countries.

    Years later, I did developed another natural formation out of need: to kick start the broken/interrupted enzymatic pathways of an Auto-immune person; regardless if the person was Auto/Imm 1 mth or 5/10 yrs. In one day Hunger comes back (spleen) & immune system is triggered via by this following list of hints on how this formula work throw. Peptides, calcium channel, Q10 with phospholipids and coffee caffeine to trigger finally: Gastrin. System body’s systems Fire-UP. Hunger comes back & immune system, starts to work/heal.

    Then I worked on how to totally eliminate gram-negative bad super buds completely from the body. A 10 day process, with an All Natural formulation, killed them all dead; sorry bugs you do not belong there in my gut & blood. In 3 or 4 weeks & gained back 45 pounds & was strong & hungry again.

    How did I Know where to start my research for this, last formula. The Chemical lung of all BUGS do not change. The bug can mutate to different stains altering the bugs receptors, but their chemical lung/respiration stays stay the same; + or -. This is the trick & the process/conditions my formula follows. Gram-negative, so called super bugs. I have found, NOT SO MUCH, are NOT that super bad; gone in 10 days for less then $100. tops to fix I found.

    BUT WHAT IS Really interesting: It seems that all Viruses are “gram-negative; WELL I would like it if an HIV/aids sufferer would talk to me to try it, MY, gram-negative formulation. JUST Might work; I THINK SO!!! Cancer is an anaerobic life-form; I would think the same chemical lung, gram-negative. I expect, we shall see about long their final demise/eradiation for good, I think. I heard a number saying that 80% of all bad bugs are: gram-negative. IF that’s the case if this MY formulation works with all of them. President Oboma will get what he wants; less expense for health care. As I said: that’s only half of the story.

    Gram-Positive not the case!
    The bug I picked-up in FL. (if you know pathology) is NOT Nice: gram-positive. As its chemical lung is the same as, most good gut gram-positive Flora. Making them a super super super duper life form, Extremely & really hard to kill; at lease so far. I found & now know realize, Remission IS Possible for, all most any + & - BUG; I believe, I am on that cusp.
    Psoriasis seems to be caused by gram-positive bugs; a friend’s girl-friend has it. She wants to try MY new gram-positive formulation; the one I have just developed, for me, on her Psoriasis. I think, it should work, clear it-up quickly; but only remission; for now. I need more information to churn over.

    Recently: I got a really bad sinus fungal, a gram-positive infection. Its toxins gave me extremely bad head aches & lost a lot of weight. These toxins also effecting my kidneys, lungs, testis & it seemed in days my hair, on top, was 2/3s gone disappearing; oh my god!. I touch pictures.

    Of course, had to figure it out. Well I am on those last steps right now; I think. My hair is thinker now then in last 25yrs. Lungs are great, sinus heads almost gone as well my kidneys are great; I never now never/ever zero get: low back pain & those dark rings under my eyes, & my ___ are good. My grey hair was getting bad; now, not so much; cool.!

    AS I said, I am coming into my knowledge through the back door Everyone; if I was formally trained; who’s to say, what I might think of sooner, It will be interesting soon I think. I am working on launching a com. URL that will over the days news, have visiting health experts discussions issues, article & free how to info, as: what one food, when, eaten, that I have found, with-in 2 month, the worst cases of acne where Eliminate completely cleared up; two months longer & sars faded away, as long as the scaring is at this a little red looking. I ran trials, works great. All this will be on my coming website soon; 6 mths I hope.

    Hello to All on the Science Forum & an extra Hello to the forum’s moderators’ & founders.

    THANKS ALL & a Hello Again from: Dave re okwithme

    “Be Well, all, Fellow Travelers Through This Thing Called Time” My Quote

    PS: * I must Admit something that surprised me recently. In the brief time I have been chatting with you-all; before I thought my successes in formulating was skillful. But a while back, an extraordinary $rich, acquaintance told me; you just have a NAK for this stuff. Well you all on this Science Forum made me realize, I have to have some knowledge but a lot of my talent hear is: A Nak: That being true; I guess; back to the, proverbial, books. Some Ego is ok, but it stops there…..

    “THANKS ALL FOR LISTENING.!’
    Hope We Will Have A Chance To Debate & Learn More

    PPS: “I believe health care is, A RIGHT & NOT A Privilege!” we get sick to gather.
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    okwithme, you are going to get banned rather swiftly if you continue instigating things. It's alright to discuss, but please don't attack other members for offering their "likely superior" advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by okwithme View Post
    I started read in 1981: the first book was by: Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw. You all know it, is called: “Life Extension”.
    Never heard of it. Had a quick look and it sounds pretty bogus.

    I was reading medical journals & biology text books/lidature. But something did not add up. I discovered many paradoxes in what I was told about how health re the body works against the very medical journals & biology text books/lidature I have been reading.
    Maybe because you lack the scientific background to fully understand what you were reading?

    The Chemical lung of all BUGS do not change.
    Bacteria do not have lungs.

    BUT WHAT IS Really interesting: It seems that all Viruses are “gram-negative;
    Viruses are neither gram negative nor gram positive. These terms refer to the use of dye to prepare bacteria for viewing under a microscope. Viruses are too small to see under an optical microscope.

    Cancer is an anaerobic life-form
    Nonsense. Tumours stimulate angiogenesis (blood vessel growth) in order to get enough oxygen to grow.

    Psoriasis seems to be caused by gram-positive bugs
    No, it is an immune disorder. Probably largely genetic.
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    "Life Extension" was very popular when it was published.
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    @ okwithme - I would appreciate it if you would do the following.

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