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  1. #1 What determines how much trauma a person/animal can endure before collapsing? 
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    Okay, I have been wondering about this for a long time....Argh! Alright, I will be honest. It's because of Pokemon. Look. In Pokemon(I know that Pokemon aren't relevant to this forum, but my question is) your 'survivability' is based on your HP and defenses. Defense is clear. It's how sturdy your body is and how resistant it is to injury/damage. For example, if a young man and an old woman fall from the stairs, the old lady will break every single bone in her body because she has very weak bones(very low defense) while the man will only get a few scratches because his bones are strong. That's defense.
    It is obvious that some animals have higher defense than others(hippos over dogs) and some humans even have better defense than other humans(bodybuilder versus skinny guy).
    So, Defense plays a very important role for your survivability because the more Defense you have the less vulnerable you are to injury.

    So, humans of exactly the same build, size, weight, height, body type, body composition, muscle mass, bone mass, bone strength etc have the same defense. So, if you take 2 of them and start hitting them in EXACTLY the same spots on their bodies, who will collapse first? Would they both succumb at the same time because they have the same defense? I don't think so.

    Then comes HP. I don't know what this is to be honest. It is Hit Points but what does it present? Is it how many hits someone can take? However, isn't this also affected by defenses? Someone with a strong, sturdy body can take more than someone with a fragile body. So, it's not about the numerical value of 'hits'/blows someone can endure.

    For example, there are Pokemon that have exactly the same defense. But one of the two has higher HP so it can take more hits even though its body is equally fragile as the other Pokemon. They are both easily damaged but that one with higher HP can take more hits. This means it can take more damage. How can one endure more damage than another?

    After all this intro, here is my question :
    1. What else determines how much injury and physical damage a person can endure before dying, except his physical 'defense'/body sturdiness?
    2. Does stamina and energy levels play a role in enduring injury? I just heard this concept and it didn't make much sense to me. What do stamina and energy levels have to do with tolerating injury and trauma? They may prevent fatigue but not trauma. Would they probably help you 'bounce back' from a hit though?
    3. Can animals faint if they are badly injured? It is possible, although rare for a human being to faint because of too much pain due to an injury. But can animals faint too?

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    An infected cut on the toe will kill an elephant or a mouse. It's all relative, really.

    Some animals have regenerative abilities (if a human loses a leg, he bleeds out, if a salamander loses a leg, it grows back) and some animals can withstand a bigger hit because they have larger bones or more protective mass.

    As for fainting, some animals do it as a defense mechanism, but if you slow blood flow to the brain enough in any animal, they will pass out and die if their function doesn't return to normal.

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    Well, I researched it a bit more and I found out that fainting is actually more of a human thing. It happens most commonly to bipedal animals because the head is up there so it's easier for the blood not to reach the brain and faint. Most animals are quadrupedal so they aren't prone to fainting.
    Although, are they prone to faint from pain? Some humans can faint from too much pain. Is it possible for animals too?

    Furthermore, I am not talking about infections and blood loss. It's logical that an infected wound will kill anything in the long run. Bleeding will also kill you. Duh! However, an elephant and a human bleeding at the same rate, means that the elephant will survive longer due to way larger blood volume they have so they can afford bleeding more. Right? So, size matters because the larger you are the more blood you have.

    I know that salamanders and some animals can regenerate thus they can survive injuries that would kill a human or another animal normally. But this is due to bleeding. As you said, a human won't survive a chopped off leg because he will bleed to death. A salamander though won't bleed at all and will regrow it back. However, the human also survived the injury itself. He just succumbed to bleeding. But he didn't outright die from the very injury. If you go on chopping all his limbs and cutting him open, while being able to magically stop bleeding, he will still die because the injuries are too many and serious for the body to handle. That's what I am talking about. Forget about bleeding or infections or any indirect factors that would kill someone and just focus on the injury itself.
    What makes one endure an injury better than someone else, if bleeding etc are left outside? Like, two persons of exactly the same build and body composition(so they have equally strong bones, muscles etc) are punched and kicked on the same spots on their bodies. Who will survive longer? Will they collapse the same time just because they have the same 'defense'/protection? Is your body defense(bones, muscles, skin) the only factor determining your survivability to injuries and bodily damage?

    Also, does energy matter? Like, if one of those two is a marathon runner so he has better stamina and energy levels, does this play a role?
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    if one of those two is a marathon runner so he has better stamina and energy levels, does this play a role?
    Depends. Elite athletes put their body into a state right at the edge of its capacity to function. So elite athletes are, in fact, more susceptible to infections than other people. Though I'd expect many, depending on the activity, to be better able to handle shock in its various forms than most of us. They're used to persisting through pain levels most of us would find intolerable - as the swimmers say, when "the piano drops on you" you just have to keep going. That's what a lot of training is about, defying the signals from your body telling you it's time to stop. Same as ballerinas continuing a performance despite their bleeding feet.
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    Are you referencing pain tolerance? If so, yes, some human beings are more capable of having a higher "HP" than others. Some individuals are also more/less prone to fainting, therefore, they have either more/less HP.
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