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    Has anyone looked in to this yet? I only searched the first page, but did not see anything relating to this subject.

    WATCH THIS ONE --> Bruce Lipton introduces you to Epigenetics

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    Have yet to read through the whole PDF, but it looks good so far.
    Basically just wondering what implications you all think this will have when It is realized and accepted by mainstream science.


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    Epigenetics is accepted by main science..

    Can't play sounds on this computer, so i can't watch it..

    Scientists do only look at epigenetics when the problem, or the solution does not lie directly in the code itself. It's a section, beyond the code. We don't understand anything about it yet, i mean the grande scheme. We know that somewhere on the dna lies a protein that binds methyl groups to certain parts of dna, and another breaks them off again. We don't really know why it does what it does, and what the long term implications to this could be. We usually look at direct cause. As indirect cause to disease takes to long, and brings with it, the problem of reaching near infinity.. As a biologist, i HATE the term infinity... It simply means that it has to be measured up to a point where a fraction of this is reached to come to a conclusion.

    Then there is Co-indirect, that needs to coexist with another epigenetic change, and there is a or-or epigenetic effect. There even is the temporarily missing of an H group that can have serious effects on the use of this piece of dna.. Not to speak of Histons that can have a screening effect on DNA/RNA polymerases..

    I'm getting headaces simply thinking about it.. Argh..


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    Thanks for the ref marnixR. It is on its way to me from Amazon as we speak :-))
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    So, wait... Lamarck was right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    So, wait... Lamarck was right?
    Probably more like 'mostly' Neo-Darwinism with a top up from Lamarck. Before we go throwing away the baby with the bath-water and leaping to all sorts of conlusions that just might be wild speculation it would be more prudent to think in terms of how epigenetics may add to Neo-Darwinism as a 'helpful' extension to perhaps fast track evolution a bit by notions such as 'adaptive evolution'. Perhaps the debates between Dawkins and Gould regarding the rapidity of evolutionary change may have been a bit less vigorous allowing for this principle.

    What is clear however is that the strong argument of the 'Weismann Barrier' put forward by Darwinists to 'shut down' the possibility of evolution of acquired traits is perhaps more permable than once thought. It means that we need to be a bit more 'flexible' in our support of popular theories and a bit less dogmatic.

    The Lamarck supporters out there have copped a lot of flak over recent history, some at the expense of their jobs (thinks Ted Steele on reverse transcriptase), but rather than turning everything on its head as a bit of 'vengeance' it is time to apply moderation in our expanded understanding of evolutionary theory. There appears to be room for a bit of Lamarck in our Darwinistic thinkings. :-))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    So, wait... Lamarck was right?
    People who confuse epigenetic effects with Lamarckian evolution do so for weird reasons - least of which is any actual resemblance between the two. I think it's more to do with giving the finger to orthodoxy than anything else. Epigenetics is not Lamarckism. Lamarck didn't even say that exposure to environmental influences causes heritable changes in the organism.
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    Traits can be induced by environmental infuences and inherited for thousands of generations, all without any changes to the gene sequence. Sounds cool and ground-breaking? Not really. It's just the good old lac operon and the lac repressor.
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