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    Hello everybody

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    Is there insect on the mosquito which is it small or we can not see

    as an example the follow picture




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    Mosquitoes certainly carry parasites, but I doubt any of them are arthropods, simply due to the necessary size to go unnoticed on a winged insect.

    You might find this article interesting: http://www.ct.gov/caes/lib/caes/docu...cabul72007.pdf


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    Hi Someone Lemme break it down a little...

    What do you mean by "insect"? Kind of a weird question, I know, but I ask this because of a few reasons. If you're being precise about the words you use, then by "insect" you mean an organism from the biological class Insecta. But you could just be asking about a bug, which is a very loose term in everyday talk.

    So it is possible that there are smaller "bugs" that live on the bodies of mosquitoes. But as far as true insects, I intuitively doubt it. Fairy flies, the smallest known insects, aren't very small at all compared to mosquitoes. It would be like the mosquito carrying a big backpack. I guess it's physically possible for a fairy fly to be on top of a mosquito, but certainly not live on it. As far as I know, mosquitoes don't have such a symbiotic relationship with any species of comparable size.
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    Possibilities of what that particle could be.

    1, A skin flake, or a dehydrated cell fragment.
    2, A bacterium, yeast, or fungi.
    3, Or even a spore, pollen or simply dust.
    4, A crystal.
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    The larvae of some water mites can be parasites of mosquitoes. An example might be Thyas barbigera, pictured below:

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    I don't think it is a mite, or larvae of a mite, as a mite will be significantly larger.. even pollen are larger, dust is larger. I checked, but i could not find anything other then parasites that the mosquito carry, not those that actually uses them as a host.
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    It's late, so maybe your google-fu is a bit off the boil?


    The water mite Thyas barbigera [...] parasitizing mosquitoes

    Mosquito Mite Photolibrary

    Mite parasitism of mosquitoes in central Wyoming


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    So far, it doesn't look a consensus of identification has been reached. So I'll throw this out... Maybe the apparent *thing* on the mosquito's eye isn't living at all. Since there's no obvious indicator of what it is, we can't really say if it is living or nonliving. It could very well be some natural particulate trapped in the eye's external structure.

    Maybe if a qualified biologist can examine a mosquito's eye in real-time, then maybe we can tell what it could be... at least tell if it's alive or not.
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    I don't think it's an insect, although it's impossible to determine if it is alive. I'd say it's some sort of yeast, bacteria or piece of a pollen that got lodged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwirko View Post
    It's late, so maybe your google-fu is a bit off the boil?


    The water mite Thyas barbigera [...] parasitizing mosquitoes

    Mosquito Mite Photolibrary

    Mite parasitism of mosquitoes in central Wyoming


    Plenty more out there if you want...
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    Last time Im eating while reading the Biology section thats for sure :/
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    yes ..... there is a small insect living on the mosquito.....and it's mentioned in the "quran " the islam book //// .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    yes ..... there is a small insect living on the mosquito.....and it's mentioned in the "quran " the islam book //// .....
    I suspect this is an example of apophenia. What is the exact quote from the quran?
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    well...i dont know how to tell you that with english....cause i did'nt read the english version of quran before.... i'll search about it and write it here ....in the arabic version there are a sentence the god tell in it that he's not ashamed to give us an example, to believe that he's the mastermind of everything in the universe and the example with a small thing" the mosquito and what living above it" i 'll read the english translation of quran and write the sentence here
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    well...i dont know how to tell you that with english....cause i did'nt read the english version of quran before.... i'll search about it and write it here ....in the arabic version there are a sentence the god tell in it that he's not ashamed to give us an example, to believe that he's the mastermind of everything in the universe and the example with a small thing" the mosquito and what living above it" i 'll read the english translation of quran and write the sentence here
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    well...i dont know how to tell you that with english....cause i did'nt read the english version of quran before.... i'll search about it and write it here ....in the arabic version there are a sentence the god tell in it that he's not ashamed to give us an example, to believe that he's the mastermind of everything in the universe and the example with a small thing" the mosquito and what living above it" i 'll read the english translation of quran and write the sentence here

    "Indeed, Allah is not timid to present an example - that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, "What did Allah intend by this as an example?" He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient,"

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    Well, there are lots of things smaller than a mosquito that you can see with the naked eye. I don't see how you get a mosquito parasite from that verse. Apophenia it is.
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    well...good question..mybe because the mosquito is the most prevalent parasite insects in the world you can find the mosquito all over the world and all people in this world know what is it....so the god give the example of something known.. without complexity....we can find in the quran another insects examples ...like bees in construction and work ...also the ants...
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    What's your point? This is a science forum. Post science, don't preach your religion.
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    ok..i'm sorry mr harold,dn't be edgy.. this is just a debate.....sorry again
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    well...good question..mybe because the mosquito is the most prevalent parasite insects in the world you can find the mosquito all over the world and all people in this world know what is it....so the god give the example of something known.. without complexity....we can find in the quran another insects examples ...like bees in construction and work ...also the ants...
    So the Quran describes insects that we see around us. That is not really surprising, is it. To be honest, it is not even very interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    So the Quran describes insects that we see around us. That is not really surprising, is it. To be honest, it is not even very interesting.
    But it is further proof that what the Quran says is true!

    I expect it also has something about bears and woods.
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    first i want to say to the moderator harold " excuse me " because he told no talking about religion here and he's right ... this is just a last point .first ... the quran did not describe the insects like what u think! no! ... the quran talking about these insects and give it as an example for us and tell us that we are the best creation here on this earth because we have a minds that we can use it to think about what around us and explore more... so these insects like bees and ants don't have a mind like us but it's working and constructing but who's teach it that " it haven't a minds! to learn it have just a senses like eyesight and scent !"" so learning with minds quickly is a property only to humans...so who was programing the bees and ants to work and build a society like that ,?? so this is the intent ...in the quran this is just one of a lot of examples so the quran give just a signs, it is not talking with numbers or precise details to be easy for the ordinary people ... and gives the extraordinary people just a signs to sureness ... also insects are just one of a lot of signs , there 're signs like ""the mountains" the quran said that the mountains are anchors under the earth and without it the continents will swim on the oceans and earthquakes abound and living will be so hard on it, there are another important sing in quran it's the isthmus or the limit between the seas and oceans there 're an isthmus between a sea and other and ocean and other prevents mixing, each has a different salinity concentration and without it the creatures die , there re another signs like big bang theory in physical cosmology and the knoking star, please tell who's tell the prophet before a 14 century ago all these things and other things ...and he couldn't even write his name cause he was illiterate, sorry for the prolongation...i'll nt talk abt religion again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    there 're signs like ""the mountains" the quran said that the mountains are anchors under the earth and without it the continents will swim on the oceans...
    Then that is a sign that the Quran gets things wrong.
    (But I am not sure that is exactly what you were aiming for.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    so who was programing the bees and ants to work and build a society like that
    Evolution. Is that the answer in the Quran? If not, it is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    first i want to say to the moderator harold " excuse me " because he told no talking about religion here and he's right ...
    If you feel that the quran contains scientific information, or fortells science facts, then that can be discussed. However, you should make some logical arguments when it is challenged. Don't just quote scripture. For example, an internet search will show that some Muslims believe that the quran did foretell that there are small creatures on the mosquito, showing that Muhammad had some science knowlege not generally known at the time. However, that quran passage has been translated in various ways. Sometimes it is a mosquito, sometimes a gnat. Sometimes it is the gnat and bigger creatures. Other times it is a gnat and smaller creatures. So, those who try to fit this quran text to the current scientific knowledge of mites on mosquitoes are just cherry picking. The quran foretells nothing.

    this is just a last point .first ... the quran did not describe the insects like what u think! no! ... the quran talking about these insects and give it as an example for us and tell us that we are the best creation here on this earth because we have a minds that we can use it to think about what around us and explore more... so these insects like bees and ants don't have a mind like us but it's working and constructing but who's teach it that " it haven't a minds! to learn it have just a senses like eyesight and scent !"" so learning with minds quickly is a property only to humans...so who was programing the bees and ants to work and build a society like that ,?? so this is the intent ...in the quran this is just one of a lot of examples so the quran give just a signs, it is not talking with numbers or precise details to be easy for the ordinary people ... and gives the extraordinary people just a signs to sureness ... also insects are just one of a lot of signs , there 're signs like ""the mountains" the quran said that the mountains are anchors under the earth and without it the continents will swim on the oceans and earthquakes abound and living will be so hard on it,
    In what way do you think the mountains act as anchors? The continents do "swim." It is called continental drift. Earthquakes do abound. Living is hard. So where is the science in the quran?
    there are another important sing in quran it's the isthmus or the limit between the seas and oceans there 're an isthmus between a sea and other and ocean and other prevents mixing, each has a different salinity concentration and without it the creatures die , there re another signs like big bang theory in physical cosmology and the knoking star, please tell who's tell the prophet before a 14 century ago all these things and other things ...and he couldn't even write his name cause he was illiterate, sorry for the prolongation...i'll nt talk abt religion again.
    What knowledge do you think the prophet had that was not generally known at the time? What is the evidence for it?
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    Evolution. Is that the answer in the Quran? If not, it is wrong.[/QUOTE]
    there's the answer " the god" the lord of everythings and the creator of you and me and all what u see .... just look at ur hand how it maked look at ur face , your body you're a machine with spirite inside .... who's made it ?? you ? your heart , installation of your body your bloodstream ,vains , look , look all the animals and creatures who's made it ?? you ? look the solar system, who organized that ? you ? me?the human can't even keep his life and he could die of diarrhea ? no the human is weak ? the animals? or the aliens?! no this and no that , the answer is ""the god" that he don't need to eat and drink and go to the bath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    Evolution. Is that the answer in the Quran? If not, it is wrong.
    there's the answer " the god" the lord of everythings and the creator of you and me and all what u see .... just look at ur hand how it maked look at ur face , your body you're a machine with spirite inside .... who's made it ?? you ? your heart , installation of your body your bloodstream ,vains , look , look all the animals and creatures who's made it ?? you ? look the solar system, who organized that ? you ? me?the human can't even keep his life and he could die of diarrhea ? no the human is weak ? the animals? or the aliens?! no this and no that , the answer is ""the god" that he don't need to eat and drink and go to the bath.
    Is that a "yes" or a "no"?

    who's made it ??
    Evolution. As the factual evidence shows overwhelmingly.
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    it's a yes " strange"
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    It didn't sound like it. So you agree that evolution is the answer. That is good.
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    mr harold i'm sorry again but i think i told that the quran isn't a science book no, if it was a science book so the ordinary and stupid people can't understand anything , but it's not the quran talk with all people and all levels , all can understand it and it gived the scientists just a signs to believe and be reassured tht he's made this earth that universe or these universes .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    It didn't sound like it. So you agree that evolution is the answer. That is good.
    the answer is with evolution you can search and do that u ddn't before but , remember always that the you're a creature and nt a creator , human can build airplan but can't made a real flies, if someday human can made a flies and this day will never come never so then we can talk again about ur evolution
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    sorry all here but also i'm glad to talking, about this matter, i love science since i was a kid and i'll love it drawer to death,
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    mr harold i'm sorry again but i think i told that the quran isn't a science book no, if it was a science book so the ordinary and stupid people can't understand anything , but it's not the quran talk with all people and all levels , all can understand it and it gived the scientists just a signs to believe and be reassured tht he's made this earth that universe or these universes .
    Are you aware of something called confirmation bias? This is the tendency to look for and notice facts that confirm your beliefs while ignoring contrary evidence. So these "signs" you refer to may just be a result of your confirmation bias.
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    mr harold u are a science man and u can know , read the books read about who were living in the area of the prophet mohammed they wasn't a humans they was a monsters they wasn't know anything just trad and collect the money and wars like the animals they wasn't know anything they was worship the stones and the fire and kill the femals pending the coming of the prophet mohammed , so how they will know about these things , i'm talking about them and they were my predecessors,
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    mr harold the bias isn't a defect, the defect is when u're a biased without any evidences
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    i have given you the evidences related in science that the quran is true, so give me ur evidences from sciences to make it wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    mr harold i'm sorry again but i think i told that the quran isn't a science book no,
    i thought the quran was a book of revelation, which by definition excludes it from being science
    science is a method for making sense of the natural world by proposing theories to explain known facts and how they fit together
    it is by definition work in progress, unlike a book of revelation which claims to be the final word on everything
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    give and show me ur evidences if u're right
    good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    i have given you the evidences related in science that the quran is true, so give me ur evidences from sciences to make it wrong
    Perhaps you could comment on this:
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    In what way do you think the mountains act as anchors? The continents do "swim." It is called continental drift. Earthquakes do abound. Living is hard. So where is the science in the quran?
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    right marnix , so i want to tell that this book sent a messages to human and give him evidences from science and from everything to make him sure that it's the last "god word"
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    strange could u tell me wht's a mountain?
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    i'mgoing now i hve something special i'll back to talk to u "strange" if u want to chat i'll give u this 's my yahoo id: hamri.abdelkhalek@yahoo.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    strange could u tell me wht's a mountain?
    "A mountain is a large landform that stretches above the surrounding land in a limited area"
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    They are formed by the action of plate tectonics. Which appears to be almost the exact opposite of what you said is written in the Quran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    right marnix , so i want to tell that this book sent a messages to human and give him evidences from science and from everything to make him sure that it's the last "god word"
    i still maintain that you have the wrong idea of what science is about
    it's not a collection of facts but a method for doing stuff - does the quran prescribe how to do science ?

    a few facts that are claimed to match what modern science has figured out does not make a scientific method, hence finding such facts in the quran does not amount to science
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    strange could u tell me wht's a mountain?
    I wonder what gets taught in your school....
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    i know marnixR , but there's no inevitability of methods, methods of the past aren't the methods of today and methods of now will nt be the methods of tomorrow, science is relative. there are a lot of things that we can't testing it never it's the things that we can't touch and see and smell and taste
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    The quotes from the scientists (on that web-page) do not support the claim made at the end: "mountains act like nails, and to a large extent, prevent movement in the Earth's surface."
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    Rubbish.
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    everybody explore and read on this website page if there 're any mistakes , reply
    Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an
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    DYWYddyr choose a better words we are nt in the street here , if u hve a commont abt wht u read if u don't please be polite
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    DYWYddyr choose a better words we are nt in the street here , if u hve a commont abt wht u read if u don't please be polite
    The word I used was polite in comparison to any others I could have used.
    You posted a link to a false claim that suggests science backs up claims in the Quran.
    It does not.
    I could ask you - with far more justification than you have for asking me to be "polite" - that you not insult our intelligence.

    everybody explore and read on this website page if there 're any mistakes , reply
    Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an
    That site doesn't have mistakes so much as outright lies.
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    DYwyddyr , never i respect you a lot but ur word was injuring as u dont respect the others efforts , if u are a science man but just respect the others even if u dn't want to read or believe wht u hve read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    So, do you agree that mountains do NOT stop the Earth moving but are in fact caused by the Earth's movements?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    DYwyddyr , never i respect you a lot but ur word was injuring as u dont respect the others efforts , if u are a science man but just respect the others even if u dn't want to read or believe wht u hve read.
    Could you give me any reason why I should respect someone who lies in pursuit of promoting an unsupported belief?
    Could you give me any reason why I should respect someone who makes false (and demonstrably so) claims about what science says?

    Perhaps you'd be better spending your time investigating what science actually says instead of complaining that I disrespect liars.
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    strange, read more abt the kinds of mountains!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    strange, read more abt the kinds of mountains!
    Answer the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    There are three main types of mountains: volcanic, fold, and block. All three types are formed from plate tectonics: when portions of the Earth's crust move, crumple, and dive.
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    dywyddyr, what's your evidances tht i'm a liar? i'm nt a liar but also i dn't accuse the others of lying!
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    ok , i'm agree the mountains are formed from plate tectonics when portions of the Earth s crust move, crumple, and dive.. strange are u agree that the mountains working like a screws after tht?
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    okey ..... i'm not a geologist , i'll stop talking about wht i dnt know,
    everybody tell me about the big bang theory in the quran , or a stages of an embryo in the womb
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    i have much more, who's next
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    dywyddyr, what's your evidances tht i'm a liar? i'm nt a liar but also i dn't accuse the others of lying!
    If you'd bother reading you'd realise that the liar I referred to is whoever wrote the rubbish (absolute drivel) in the links you provided.

    okey ..... i'm not a geologist , i'll stop talking about wht i dnt know,
    everybody tell me about the big bang theory in the quran , or a stages of an embryo in the womb
    There is no "Big Bang" in the Quran and whatever embryology is contained therein is nothing that wasn't available to astute observers at the time - i.e. no startling "unknown" and yet-to-be-discovered-many-years-later science.
    So, essentially, you're still talking about things you don't know.
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    what's your evidences that my link is a rubbish, all what u'hve done just saying" rubbish ,rubbish, rubbish" give something better
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    More ridiculous nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    ok , i'm agree the mountains are formed from plate tectonics when portions of the Earth s crust move, crumple, and dive.. strange are u agree that the mountains working like a screws after tht?
    Of course not.
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    okey u 're free
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    "strange" ok i respect your opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    okey u 're free
    oi plz tri rite prpr englsh dck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    what's your evidences that my link is a rubbish, all what u'hve done just saying" rubbish ,rubbish, rubbish" give something better
    My evidence is that the scientific comments that supposedly support the the claims made clearly do not do so.
    As Strange has pointed out.
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    "strange" i respect wht u hve said but also u must make me convinced
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek
    okey ..... I'm not a geologist , i'll stop talking about wht i dnt know
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    i have much more, who's next
    lol
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    I’ve picked one of the miracles out of a hat, titled ‘CREATION FROM CLAY’ [Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an].

    Extract:
    The first human being was created by Allah shaping clay into human form and breathing a soul into it

    When the human body is examined today, it may be discovered that many elements present on the earth are also to be found in the body. Living tissues contain 95% carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus and sulphur, with a total of 26 different elements

    Issue I have here is, if the story had gone, that ‘the first human being was made of bark, and eventfully a rotten branch fell off, that which, became woman.’ If a person genuinely believed my story, then they can use confirmation bias to back it up by saying we are made of the same elements of earth and trees etc.

    Also, did you know that the ancient Greeks believed Prometheus created man from clay, while Athena breathed life into them? The Greek account is just as convincing to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    "strange" i respect wht u hve said but also u must make me convinced
    Sorry, I am not going to engage in any further discussion unless you stop writing like an immature idiot. Your English language ability is clearly adequate for you to write correctly.

    Please stop your arrogant use of childish abbreviations.

    And why do I need to convince you of anything?
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    Also, did you know that the ancient Greeks believed Prometheus created man from clay, while Athena breathed life into them? The Greek account is just as convincing to me. [/QUOTE]
    cause there were a greek prophets, after that the greek people changed the true story,
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    "strange" if u want to be a real scientist u must look for the convinces of every what u think and believe in, so if u criticize a person u must give the prove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    "strange" if u want to be a real scientist u must look for the convinces of every what u think and believe in, so if u criticize a person u must give the prove.
    Considering that the only connection you have so far shown to science is a gross ignorance of it you're hardly in a position to be advising other people on how to go about it.
    And your entire statement is incorrect: science involves going where the evidence leads, not "looking for what convinces you or what you want to believe in".
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    science involves going where the evidence leads, not "looking for what convinces you or what you want to believe in".[/QUOTE]
    yep,i'll not disagree with that .
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    "strange" if u want to be a real scientist u must look for the convinces of every what u think and believe in, so if u criticize a person u must give the prove.
    Please learn to write properly. It makes you look like a semi-literate peasant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    science involves going where the evidence leads, not "looking for what convinces you or what you want to believe in".
    yep,i'll not disagree with that .[/QUOTE]

    Then why did you say the exact opposite?
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    Then why did you say the exact opposite?[/QUOTE]
    yes i hve done a mistake here , i admit . i didn't know how to explain what was going in my mind
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    science involves going where the evidences leads" strange" but i think u dn't work with this, don't u ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    science involves going where the evidences leads" strange" but i think u dn't work with this, don't u ?
    Please learn to write properly.

    The word is spelt Y O U : you.

    Sentences begin with a capital letter.
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    It appears that the mosquito shaved improperly, and now has an ingrown hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    science involves going where the evidences leads" strange" but i think u dn't work with this, don't u ?
    hamri abdelkhalek,
    One thing that is stressed in the Muslim faith is to shun acts that encourage ignorance.
    I have met many muslims; I have met very few "true Muslims." These few are those who try very hard to live up to the faith, rather than trying to force the faith to fit what they want to believe.

    Christians are not alone in hypocrisy, any large group of people that follow a faith will have a large portion of the following ignorant of what the faith actually says and so adamant in their belief that they will make up whatever statement they think will support their belief. Muslims and Christians and Druids and Catholics and such will all engage in the same behavior regardless of the slight differences in their doctrine.
    Atheists, as well. The majority of atheists, who lack belief in the supernatural or divine, have other beliefs like conspiracies claims, UFO's, bigfoot, urban myths and legends and a vast array of more Modernized or Industrialized folklore.

    But there are the few critical thinkers, those who display objective reasoning. We'd like to increase that number to the 'many' by promoting critical thinking, rationality, objective reasoning, sound judgment and fallacy recognition.

    By posting links to Popularized Religious Propaganda and then demanding to be "proven wrong," you are showing no desire to Shun Acts That Lead to Ignorance. You are not following your faith. You post links that are made by others whose faith is weak. So weak, that they must force fit evidence to appear (or have the illusion) of supporting a belief system.
    IF faith was strong, you would have no need for such things. As a faithless system, the scientific method requires Strong Evidence.
    As a faith system, religion requires motivation and belief regardless of evidence.
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    "strange" yes i know " Y O U " just i like to write in short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    science involves going where the evidences leads" strange" but i think u dn't work with this, don't u ?
    hamri abdelkhalek,
    One thing that is stressed in the Muslim faith is to shun acts that encourage ignorance.
    I have met many muslims; I have met very few "true Muslims." These few are those who try very hard to live up to the faith, rather than trying to force the faith to fit what they want to believe.

    Christians are not alone in hypocrisy, any large group of people that follow a faith will have a large portion of the following ignorant of what the faith actually says and so adamant in their belief that they will make up whatever statement they think will support their belief. Muslims and Christians and Druids and Catholics and such will all engage in the same behavior regardless of the slight differences in their doctrine.
    Atheists, as well. The majority of atheists, who lack belief in the supernatural or divine, have other beliefs like conspiracies claims, UFO's, bigfoot, urban myths and legends and a vast array of more Modernized or Industrialized folklore.

    But there are the few critical thinkers, those who display objective reasoning. We'd like to increase that number to the 'many' by promoting critical thinking, rationality, objective reasoning, sound judgment and fallacy recognition.

    By posting links to Popularized Religious Propaganda and then demanding to be "proven wrong," you are showing no desire to Shun Acts That Lead to Ignorance. You are not following your faith. You post links that are made by others whose faith is weak. So weak, that they must force fit evidence to appear (or have the illusion) of supporting a belief system.
    IF faith was strong, you would have no need for such things. As a faithless system, the scientific method requires Strong Evidence.
    As a faith system, religion requires motivation and belief regardless of evidence.
    i didn't put the links for myself, except that ,i liked what you have said
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    The guy's a preaching troll, trash please.
    never, i'm just an ordinary student ,i'm not preacher and i wasn't ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    The guy's a preaching troll, trash please.
    i'm an ordinary student hve 23 years i live a normal life, if you use skype we can talk together
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Why would I want to interact outside of the forum with a woo merchant? Stop touting your religious biases in a science forum.
    ok, i understand, thank you all for the wonderful replies,
    i'll nt reply and talk about the islam again this 's my last words,
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    "the truth is not afraid of search"
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    "the truth is not afraid of search"
    Which is a pretty stupid remark coming from someone who has consistently failed to search and instead accepted the first answer he's come across - one that happens to satisfy his pre-selected beliefs.
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    Tone is very hard to convey accurately when writing, so I will first state clearly: this is not an angry post or anything like that.
    It is just a request for you to follow the spirit of the quote you provided and keep searching.
    Anyway, preamble over.

    Quote Originally Posted by hamri abdelkhalek View Post
    "the truth is not afraid of search"
    That is a fine sentiment, but it goes against religious teachings.
    People believe that their particular book is true and then stop searching.

    Claiming that continents would swim on the oceans if mountains didn't pin them to the earth is not searching - that is just repeating what is written in an old book.
    Searching is looking to see if mountains hold the continents stationery.
    And the truth is that they don't.

    But don't take my word for it - go learn about it for yourself.
    Read about it on the internet; go to a library; etc.

    But you need to read what is written carefully.
    For example: read the link you provided in message 51: Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an
    Read the quotes by the scientists and try to match them to the claims made on the web-site.
    (It's not very technical - it doesn't require a degree in geology to understand it.)

    Searching for truth is good.
    Simply accepting someone else's claim that they know the truth is not searching - it is dogma.
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    Time to let up on the guy. He said he won't talk religion any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Time to let up on the guy. He said he won't talk religion any more.
    I wasn't intending to badger him - but ok.
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    i think i told that these are my last words" the truth is not afraid of search" and i didn't talk about religion,
    well i don't know why? you didn't understand me or you don't want to understand,i didn't say anything bad, i feel bad cause this is a science forum, and i didn't find any good discussion, i'm not here to preach anyone,i'm not a preacher and i wasn't ever, i'm just here to put my thoughts, if you like and agree, if you don't just read and be objectively, but i found someone says "shit" others tells " trash" and "rubbish" why ? respect at least or don't reply, if you don't want to read don't read just ignore.
    i didn't find any good logical explanation of you, you accused me of bias, and y're first word was " apophenia" ’you come to the conclusion befor reading and searching! what's that?
    also another thing, i know the religion don't need any evidences from sciences to make it true,
    i just post and show what the modern science agrees with " the quran" not for me for you.
    "harold" "red panda" " phdemon" " genius duck" i apologize because i posted a comments about this mosquito's subject’ soooo sorry i have made a fatal error, but also i don't feel remorse
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