Thread: Immortal alien animals

Immortal alien animals

Hey,
I have a idea.
Anyone play eve online? Take a look at the jump clones, how your mind can be transformed in to energy and then transported across space to another body.
Or simply when you die, your mind can move to another body.

This made me think, I thought 'what if somewhere out there in space, there is a lifeforms that rather then reproduce by having babies that are in them selves a new creature they instead create a a body to place there own brain in to, or by some other means they could maybe transfer only the important parts of the intelligence to this new body.

There is also something else, this would be very helpful. Today we have a great problem genetically wise, the life you live could effect your children's life, it can make there body more susceptible to diseases abnormalities ect.
It could even lead to extinction if the genes carry a devastating disease or some hidden abnormality ect.. So surly to keep ones knowledge over a span of hundreds of these bodies would certainly lead to a species thriving as a intelligent sentient race.

Perhaps they could even decide whether or not to create a fully functioning "separate" brain (in other words a baby) or to implant there own intelligence or move there own brain in to this body.

Originally Posted by Japith

Immortal alien animals

Hey,
I have a idea.
Anyone play eve online? Take a look at the jump clones, how your mind can be transformed in to energy and then transported across space to another body.
Or simply when you die, your mind can move to another body.

This made me think, I thought 'what if somewhere out there in space, there is a lifeforms that rather then reproduce by having babies that are in them selves a new creature they instead create a a body to place there own brain in to, or by some other means they could maybe transfer only the important parts of the intelligence to this new body.

There is also something else, this would be very helpful. Today we have a great problem genetically wise, the life you live could effect your children's life, it can make there body more susceptible to diseases abnormalities ect.
It could even lead to extinction if the genes carry a devastating disease or some hidden abnormality ect.. So surly to keep ones knowledge over a span of hundreds of these bodies would certainly lead to a species thriving as a intelligent sentient race.

Perhaps they could even decide whether or not to create a fully functioning "separate" brain (in other words a baby) or to implant there own intelligence or move there own brain in to this body.

Firstly, our minds already move energy to another body on earth through our children, we do not have to wait untill we die.
Secondly, we are in space and we already do that.
The mind together with evolution does all of these things. We are capable of doing all of these things over time.

The bigger question is even if you do all of these things evolution develops in both negative and positive, you would have to change development itself, I am not sure about the outcome of that. Do you?

Originally Posted by Mother/father

Originally Posted by Japith

Immortal alien animals

Hey,
I have a idea.
Anyone play eve online? Take a look at the jump clones, how your mind can be transformed in to energy and then transported across space to another body.
Or simply when you die, your mind can move to another body.

This made me think, I thought 'what if somewhere out there in space, there is a lifeforms that rather then reproduce by having babies that are in them selves a new creature they instead create a a body to place there own brain in to, or by some other means they could maybe transfer only the important parts of the intelligence to this new body.

There is also something else, this would be very helpful. Today we have a great problem genetically wise, the life you live could effect your children's life, it can make there body more susceptible to diseases abnormalities ect.
It could even lead to extinction if the genes carry a devastating disease or some hidden abnormality ect.. So surly to keep ones knowledge over a span of hundreds of these bodies would certainly lead to a species thriving as a intelligent sentient race.

Perhaps they could even decide whether or not to create a fully functioning "separate" brain (in other words a baby) or to implant there own intelligence or move there own brain in to this body.

Firstly, our minds already move energy to another body on earth through our children, we do not have to wait untill we die.
Secondly, we are in space and we already do that.
The mind together with evolution does all of these things. We are capable of doing all of these things over time.

The bigger question is even if you do all of these things evolution develops in both negative and positive, you would have to change development itself, I am not sure about the outcome of that. Do you?

I am talking about consciousness, or perhaps memory, that sort.
Hmm I don't think we are on the same page. :/ Dunno how to introduce you to what I am saying

Originally Posted by Japith

Originally Posted by Mother/father

Originally Posted by Japith

Immortal alien animals

Hey,
I have a idea.
Anyone play eve online? Take a look at the jump clones, how your mind can be transformed in to energy and then transported across space to another body.
Or simply when you die, your mind can move to another body.

This made me think, I thought 'what if somewhere out there in space, there is a lifeforms that rather then reproduce by having babies that are in them selves a new creature they instead create a a body to place there own brain in to, or by some other means they could maybe transfer only the important parts of the intelligence to this new body.

There is also something else, this would be very helpful. Today we have a great problem genetically wise, the life you live could effect your children's life, it can make there body more susceptible to diseases abnormalities ect.
It could even lead to extinction if the genes carry a devastating disease or some hidden abnormality ect.. So surly to keep ones knowledge over a span of hundreds of these bodies would certainly lead to a species thriving as a intelligent sentient race.

Perhaps they could even decide whether or not to create a fully functioning "separate" brain (in other words a baby) or to implant there own intelligence or move there own brain in to this body.

Firstly, our minds already move energy to another body on earth through our children, we do not have to wait untill we die.
Secondly, we are in space and we already do that.
The mind together with evolution does all of these things. We are capable of doing all of these things over time.

The bigger question is even if you do all of these things evolution develops in both negative and positive, you would have to change development itself, I am not sure about the outcome of that. Do you?

I am talking about consciousness, or perhaps memory, that sort.
Hmm I don't think we are on the same page. :/ Dunno how to introduce you to what I am saying

I have read you quote a few times Japith, I might not be understanding your point, please try again a little bit at a time so I can respond as best I can.

Originally Posted by Mother/father

Originally Posted by Japith

Originally Posted by Mother/father

Originally Posted by Japith

Immortal alien animals

Hey,
I have a idea.
Anyone play eve online? Take a look at the jump clones, how your mind can be transformed in to energy and then transported across space to another body.
Or simply when you die, your mind can move to another body.

This made me think, I thought 'what if somewhere out there in space, there is a lifeforms that rather then reproduce by having babies that are in them selves a new creature they instead create a a body to place there own brain in to, or by some other means they could maybe transfer only the important parts of the intelligence to this new body.

There is also something else, this would be very helpful. Today we have a great problem genetically wise, the life you live could effect your children's life, it can make there body more susceptible to diseases abnormalities ect.
It could even lead to extinction if the genes carry a devastating disease or some hidden abnormality ect.. So surly to keep ones knowledge over a span of hundreds of these bodies would certainly lead to a species thriving as a intelligent sentient race.

Perhaps they could even decide whether or not to create a fully functioning "separate" brain (in other words a baby) or to implant there own intelligence or move there own brain in to this body.

Firstly, our minds already move energy to another body on earth through our children, we do not have to wait untill we die.
Secondly, we are in space and we already do that.
The mind together with evolution does all of these things. We are capable of doing all of these things over time.

The bigger question is even if you do all of these things evolution develops in both negative and positive, you would have to change development itself, I am not sure about the outcome of that. Do you?

I am talking about consciousness, or perhaps memory, that sort.
Hmm I don't think we are on the same page. :/ Dunno how to introduce you to what I am saying

I have read you quote a few times Japith, I might not be understanding your point, please try again a little bit at a time so I can respond as best I can.

1# Firstly, our minds already move energy to another body on earth through our children.
2# Secondly, we are in space and we already do that.
3# The mind together with evolution does all of these things. We are capable of doing all of these things over time.

1# (off topic)
2# (I know, I know and irrelevant)
3# (a relevant comment) Yes, Yes.. Imagine that but as short as a thousand years, and with only a single sentient being.

Japith, what is your question? I'm having a hard time trying understand where you're trying to get at. I also have no idea what Mother/father is saying.

Originally Posted by halorealm

Japith, what is your question? I'm having a hard time trying understand where you're trying to get at. I also have no idea what Mother/father is saying.

To be honest I don't think I know what I am saying either because I am not quite getting what japith is saying. I am stretching my brain but its not moving. I would do better with a direct question.

Originally Posted by halorealm

Japith, what is your question? I'm having a hard time trying understand where you're trying to get at. I also have no idea what Mother/father is saying.

Alien immortal animals - could this be a natural evolutionary path for these alien animals?
Building a new body inside you, then putting your brain inside that new body, and then your old body giving birth to a baby that is yourself?

Also I don't think a species like this would require gender, since they can all reproduce by creating babies and also by putting there own brain inside there premature babies (the baby being created in the womb without a brain)

also I was saying early that maybe they could "decide" weather they wanted to gain a new body, or if they wanted to create a all new sentient being (baby) (by keeping there brain in there adult body, and then creating a new brain for there baby body developing in the womb.

Do you guys understand me now?

Also I don't think anybody has speculated about an immortal alien animal reproducing this way.. So if I can get a full paper on this I shall name this species Japith

Originally Posted by Japith

Originally Posted by halorealm

Japith, what is your question? I'm having a hard time trying understand where you're trying to get at. I also have no idea what Mother/father is saying.

Alien immortal animals - could this be a natural evolutionary path for these alien animals?
Building a new body inside you, then putting your brain inside that new body, and then your old body giving birth to a baby that is yourself?

Also I don't think a species like this would require gender, since they can all reproduce by creating babies and also by putting there own brain inside there premature babies (the baby being created in the womb without a brain)

also I was saying early that maybe they could "decide" weather they wanted to gain a new body, or if they wanted to create a all new sentient being (baby) (by keeping there brain in there adult body, and then creating a new brain for there baby body developing in the womb.

Do you guys understand me now?

Also I don't think anybody has speculated about an immortal alien animal reproducing this way.. So if I can get a full paper on this I shall name this species Japith

You can't because, to some effect, you're describing liches. At best, you'd have to settle for Japithian liches.

Originally Posted by Japith

Alien immortal animals - could this be a natural evolutionary path for these alien animals?
Building a new body inside you, then putting your brain inside that new body, and then your old body giving birth to a baby that is yourself?

Also I don't think a species like this would require gender, since they can all reproduce by creating babies and also by putting there own brain inside there premature babies (the baby being created in the womb without a brain)

also I was saying early that maybe they could "decide" weather they wanted to gain a new body, or if they wanted to create a all new sentient being (baby) (by keeping there brain in there adult body, and then creating a new brain for there baby body developing in the womb.

Do you guys understand me now?

Also I don't think anybody has speculated about an immortal alien animal reproducing this way.. So if I can get a full paper on this I shall name this species Japith

Well I'll admit that idea is certainly ... out there. But I do find it cleverly interesting, pretty awesome actually.

Possible? Possibly. If there is such an organism, you must name it using binomial nomenclature in the traditional latin. Japithius immortalis? That sounds pretty epic to me.

Anyway, I'd like to speculate on this matter, but I'm clueless about the biological processes behind consciousness.

Japith, I really doubt that this happens anywhere in the Universe. I think it's hokum. I can see your point that it would be useful to transfer consciousness and memories directly down biological generations, since then the new individual would not have to waste time re-learning stuff. But, the brain wears out biologically just like any other bodily organ. Many have beta amyloid plaques at the.ti,e if death.and suffer Alzheimer's disease; others have different forms of dementia and in general older brains show reduced neuronal plasticity, which would make it more difficult for the next generation to learn to respond to changing environmental conditions. This would in turn prove detrimental to survival of the organism.

And humanity is already.able to transfer memetic information spatio-temporally across generations and between cultures. This has of course been facilitated even more so in the digital age with the relative freedom of access to information.

There was a study in Germany around the seventies where they took the info from a proffesor and tried to place it in the brain of a younger man. Some scientist questioned the use of advanced knowledge in a body that did not create it. They also questioned if the knowledge was placed in a baby what would be the result. First they recorded the brain waves and and uploaded the info to the brain. I did not follow the experiment to the end so I do not know what came of it.

I see this transition going on right now on our planet but not in the way you are asking it. The question about transporting conscousness takes me out of the loop.

Originally Posted by Mother/father

There was a study in Germany around the seventies where they took the info from a proffesor and tried to place it in the brain of a younger man. Some scientist questioned the use of advanced knowledge in a body that did not create it. They also questioned if the knowledge was placed in a baby what would be the result. First they recorded the brain waves and and uploaded the info to the brain. I did not follow the experiment to the end so I do not know what came of it.

I see this transition going on right now on our planet but not in the way you are asking it. The question about transporting conscousness takes me out of the loop.

Mother/Father, can you tell me the project name?

Originally Posted by Japith

Originally Posted by Mother/father

There was a study in Germany around the seventies where they took the info from a proffesor and tried to place it in the brain of a younger man. Some scientist questioned the use of advanced knowledge in a body that did not create it. They also questioned if the knowledge was placed in a baby what would be the result. First they recorded the brain waves and uploaded the info to the brain. I did not follow the experiment to the end so I do not know what came of it.

I see this transition going on right now on our planet but not in the way you are asking it. The question about transporting conscousness takes me out of the loop.

Mother/Father, can you tell me the project name?

I would have mentioned it if I could remember. However you could go to one of the German forums and ask them about it and see if it leads anywhere. Look there were lots of experiments going on in Germany with the Nazis using the Jews as their test objects in the 30s up untill the end of the war. That was where I saw for the first time experiments with human brain. I just remembered because of the thread you started.

I would have mentioned it if I could remember. However you could go to one of the German forums and ask them about it and see if it leads anywhere. Look there were lots of experiments going on in Germany with the Nazis using the Jews as their test objects in the 30s up untill the end of the war. That was where I saw for the first time experiments with human brain. I just remembered because of the thread you started.

Given the highly politically-insensitive and factually dubious posts, Moderators I think you have grounds to question the motives of this poster? Please can a Mod check this out.

Best wishes,

Tridimity

Originally Posted by tridimity

I would have mentioned it if I could remember. However you could go to one of the German forums and ask them about it and see if it leads anywhere. Look there were lots of experiments going on in Germany with the Nazis using the Jews as their test objects in the 30s up untill the end of the war. That was where I saw for the first time experiments with human brain. I just remembered because of the thread you started.

Given the highly politically-insensitive and factually dubious posts, Moderators I think you have grounds to question the motives of this poster? Please can a Mod check this out.

Best wishes,

Tridimity

Get outta my thread if your gonna be like that.

Originally Posted by tridimity

I would have mentioned it if I could remember. However you could go to one of the German forums and ask them about it and see if it leads anywhere. Look there were lots of experiments going on in Germany with the Nazis using the Jews as their test objects in the 30s up untill the end of the war. That was where I saw for the first time experiments with human brain. I just remembered because of the thread you started.

Given the highly politically-insensitive and factually dubious posts, Moderators I think you have grounds to question the motives of this poster? Please can a Mod check this out.

Best wishes,

Tridimity

I have no idea what you are talking about. This information I am giving did not come from me, it was on German TV and in books. I am merley giving information as to what I know. Insensitive? This thread is about transfering conscouness into another human being. I am not into politics or any of the problems of who did what to whom, please do not go there I did not think the thread was addressing your point.

I'm sincerely confused. Tridimity offered the only knowledgeable reply on this thread, a good and informative one at that, and now he should leave the thread? For inquiring about an obviously questionable post? This post being...

Originally Posted by Mother/father

There was a study in Germany around the seventies where they took the info from a proffesor and tried to place it in the brain of a younger man. Some scientist questioned the use of advanced knowledge in a body that did not create it. They also questioned if the knowledge was placed in a baby what would be the result. First they recorded the brain waves and and uploaded the info to the brain. I did not follow the experiment to the end so I do not know what came of it.

I would have mentioned it if I could remember. However you could go to one of the German forums and ask them about it and see if it leads anywhere. Look there were lots of experiments going on in Germany with the Nazis using the Jews as their test objects in the 30s up untill the end of the war. That was where I saw for the first time experiments with human brain. I just remembered because of the thread you started.

Mother/father offered no reliable reference, let alone any reference at all. "They recorded the brain waves and uploaded the info to the brain" makes no apparent sense at all and no explanation follows thereafter. And now we are to go on a German forum and inquire the people there about some Nazi experiment in the 30's? That's the silliest part, and agreeably insensitive if you ask me.

Mother/father,I am sorry if your intentions with this post were benign. It's just that you have made some fairly outlandish claims without probiding any references, and it seemed to me that you were speaking lightly of the Holocaust.Again, I am sorry if I offended you and if your intentions were good.Best wishes,Tridimity

Originally Posted by tridimity

Mother/father,I am sorry if your intentions with this post were benign. It's just that you have made some fairly outlandish claims without probiding any references, and it seemed to me that you were speaking lightly of the Holocaust.Again, I am sorry if I offended you and if your intentions were good.Best wishes,Tridimity

I will never speak lightly of the holocaust, I cannot understand it, I do not think anyone can do that. I am very sorry I did not take into consideration the pain that this event has brought upon humanity. However I was following the post and giving back what I learnt in Germany. This information was published in books and in documentary form on German TV. many years ago. I do not have any proof its the rest of my memory that kicked in responding to the thread.

Originally Posted by halorealm

I'm sincerely confused. Tridimity offered the only knowledgeable reply on this thread, a good and informative one at that, and now he should leave the thread? For inquiring about an obviously questionable post? This post being...

Originally Posted by Mother/father

There was a study in Germany around the seventies where they took the info from a proffesor and tried to place it in the brain of a younger man. Some scientist questioned the use of advanced knowledge in a body that did not create it. They also questioned if the knowledge was placed in a baby what would be the result. First they recorded the brain waves and and uploaded the info to the brain. I did not follow the experiment to the end so I do not know what came of it.

I would have mentioned it if I could remember. However you could go to one of the German forums and ask them about it and see if it leads anywhere. Look there were lots of experiments going on in Germany with the Nazis using the Jews as their test objects in the 30s up untill the end of the war. That was where I saw for the first time experiments with human brain. I just remembered because of the thread you started.

Mother/father offered no reliable reference, let alone any reference at all. "They recorded the brain waves and uploaded the info to the brain" makes no apparent sense at all and no explanation follows thereafter. And now we are to go on a German forum and inquire the people there about some Nazi experiment in the 30's? That's the silliest part, and agreeably insensitive if you ask me.

Please you are taking this out of context. I did not intend for this to go in that direction, I am not a partaker of violence or political tribalism. I did not understand the thread to be going that way either. I just stated what I know and where the information might be soursed. However if I offended you, I apologise.

Originally Posted by Mother/father

Please you are taking this out of context. I did not intend for this to go in that direction, I am not a partaker of violence or political tribalism. I did not understand the thread to be going that way either. I just stated what I know and where the information might be soursed. However if I offended you, I apologise.

No need; that's fine. Your post seemed questionable to me, as I explained earlier, but I never thought of you as politically violent. Your statement about asking Germans about a Holocaust experiment was pretty "Um...", but you did no serious wrong since you intended no offense. But I do admit that I was a little rude in doubting your posts and I'm sorry for that.

Just make sure you provide reliable references when you can. I'm sure Googling something like "nazi experiment with brain and consciousness" would've been less offensive, and albeit easier to access with better answers.

So, let me see if I am getting this right, OP. The aliens do not procreate. Rather, they transfer their entire consciousness into another body which they have built. Yes?

For me it brings about a chicken and egg debate. Assuming you subscribe to popular ideas of evolution, how did the aliens get to this stage in their development? Would they not have to start off as a procreating species developed over millions of years? To me, it almost sounds like a creepy Star Trek episode representing the end of a race similar to mankind. There would be some obligatory message in the end about how humans have to avoid taking the same path.

If you believe in an alien race of sentient machines, I could see this scenario. Otherwise, it seems to me like they would become susceptible to other organisms that were constantly adapting. Unless, of course, this race was able to genetically engineer a superior body every time.