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    Hey.

    Just had an idea.

    Normally this is what we consider a young human: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz...2w6wo1_400.jpg
    And this a grown human: http://www.3dscience.com/img/Resourc...omy-zygote.jpg


    But what if things are more like the following, this being a young human: http://preview.turbosquid.com/Preview/Content_2009_07_24__11_54_43/sperm cell 2.jpgc8a4df96-d2ca-4d52-a695-10f707577043Larger.jpg

    And this is a grown "human": http://disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/HumanBrain.jpg

    I find it kinda strange that a sperm cell just happens to look exacly like a brain with a tail that could be what becomes the spine. Kinda like a worm. Anyway to my question:

    Is it possible that the brain is actually our "true form", and that our bodies are simply organic constructs, mobile habitats that our brain builds around themselves? Consider in nature if you look at all creatures that has a brain as seperate drivers using different cars.

    Also in evolution, our bodies change and adapt to the environment. What if the brain is simply repurposing the body over time and through reproduction in order to make its mobile platform able to survive better thus changing form?

    My whole idea here is one of perspective. Ofcourse many here would point out that the brain + body is one. But thats like saying a person driving a car in a snowstorm would die if he left the car to go on alone in the snowstorm. The problem is dependancy. So what do you guys think. Should we consider brain and body as one enity? Or are we allowed to perceive the body as just a tool build around its master?


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    The spermatozoa looks much more like spermatozoa than a brain. Perhaps we should therefore see human life as being sperm-oriented with the rest of the body (including the brain) being just a vehicle for regenerating and disseminating the sperm. This certainly makes more sense in light of Darwin (and Schopenhauer, Freud, etc).

    I'd also add that your view, as nice a thought as it is, hardly fits in with evolution given that bodies came before nervous systems.


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    Thanks for your reply Nano

    I know the thought I had may be silly as hell. But I actually had a dream about it - which made me think of it. (Which makes it even sillier I guess)

    I was an intelligent larvae kinda brain that lived in the oceans early at our planets birth, I was swimming around and I was constantly afraid because predators had emerged aswell. So I connected with a plantlike growth with tentacles and fused myself with it by connecting nerves on it to control it and fuse with its DNA or being or whatever. I then swam around and mated with another swimming brain and the offspring got the tentacles aswell. Then all swimming brains started fusing with other life, even dead predators to steal their attributes. I then remember going up on land and I couldnt breath so I swam back down to the deep to find a brain with attributes that combined with mine could breathe the air and walk on land, so we did and we saw out children slither up on land and live there. Then I was eaten by some of the predators.

    One messed up dream, and almost lucid - for once I could remember it when I woke up. So memorizd it as fast as I could as dreams tend to disappear. Really wanted to tell my friends about it but they woulve thought I was on drugs or something :P

    (Im guessing that dreaming youre a floating brain in the ocean from millions of years in the past isnt exactly normal but Ive heard people dream weirder stuff)
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    Nucleic acids are self replicating molecules and they are the basis of life. It was the formation of this chemical in the earth that made the origin of life possible and thus bodies came into being. So i'd say that our DNA is life. Rest everything is just translation!!
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    I dont know i think i might agree with raziell here. Sure the dna is a major part of it but once the organism gets bigger the brain is a much more integral part does it not allow for cell organisation? its the bodys control center capable of learning enormous amounts of data and adapting to situations easily a biological computer. surely it is the brain that tells the dna to change when evolution is required too that would be a resonable assumption to make.
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    Sorry, guys.

    This idea is not scientific.
    The brain is just a consequence of the development of the whole organism. It grows parallel in time to the rest of the body, and the development is directed by DNA, not by the brain.
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    Denifinately true skeptic i had a lecture on dna at one point and your point is definately valid but i cannot help but think such things about the brain. Of course there is no way to test this theory currently that i know of but with what i know of organisms and computers im skeptical to rule anything out unless there is evidence to disprove it. Sure what we know of dna is huge evidence but not enough to rule the brain out as a means of writing information onto dna like rewriting software
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    Raziell, I am not one of those who cannot understand what you are saying. Whatever you experience in this reality is what you have experienced. It really does not matter if your friends and family are not experiencing what you are going through it should matter to you.
    This is my version about the extention of the brain, I did not look it up or asked any of the so called great minds. There are two energy forces, the intraverted, and the extraverted forces. When these two energy forces come together they create mind. Mind has power to create, so mind creates brain to be able to adapt to the physical environment. All the body parts is created by brain to facilitate this venture. Your dreams are not really dreams but it is you remembering some other part of your existance. I think the whole human looks like a giant penis, remember the extension of the pineal organ is the penis.
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    M.F.

    This is a science forum.
    What you are posting is religion. Or pseudo-religion.
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    I would agree there skeptic
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    Tell me raziell what proof do you have exactly? If you are going to post on this forum you may as well try to argue your point if you can. Present all revelant facts you have made your observation. How exactly do you plan on proceeding from there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Sorry, guys.

    This idea is not scientific.
    The brain is just a consequence of the development of the whole organism. It grows parallel in time to the rest of the body, and the development is directed by DNA, not by the brain.
    I thought the DNA was the building block and the brain the master controler or organiser, are you sure that parrallel is right, there is no such thing as parrallel lines; If you mean the crossing of cycling lines then the question arises what part of the brain precedes and what part follows.
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    DNA is better seen as the blueprint of the body. In this blueprint is also the design for the brain. DNA determines how the body and brain grows. There is some influence by the environment, of course, but the dominant director is the blueprint encoded in DNA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
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    DNA is better seen as the blueprint of the body. In this blueprint is also the design for the brain. DNA determines how the body and brain grows. There is some influence by the environment, of course, but the dominant director is the blueprint encoded in DNA.
    Yes I agree, It is after the brain is built that it takes over the functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveworlds View Post
    Tell me raziell what proof do you have exactly? If you are going to post on this forum you may as well try to argue your point if you can. Present all revelant facts you have made your observation. How exactly do you plan on proceeding from there?
    Hey again.

    I dont have facts. Im no student of Biology. I simply had an idea and wrote here hoping someone who is an expert could tell me if it is possible.

    Like I said, I was merely wondering if the brain could be the "whole" organism and the body constructed around it. Im not arguing that they are not dependant on eachother. Just asking if it might have been 2 organisms at start that simply fused with great synergic effect. (Thus becomming completely dependant on eachother).

    To make a stronger argument I guess I can give the following example:

    Artificial heart? Check.
    Artificial ears and eyes? check.
    Artificial limbs? Check... kinda... people have been able to control remote robotic limbs by connecting wires to the part of the brain controlling movement.

    So where am I going with this? In a 100 years it is totally plausible that a human brain could be removed from our organic body and into a robotic one.
    This means: The brain is capable of "leaving" the body as it is no longer needed when our brains have developed further. As all experiences, memory, rational thought and feel of self is all contained in the brain it could be thought of as the entire self and the physical body just a "car/shell".

    I dont think any biologist can argue the possibility of a complete human to robot brain transplant in the future. As limbs, eyes, ears, and heart - some of the most complex if Im not mistaken - are allready possible to replace.
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