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  1. #1 2nd Law of Thermodynamics vs Natural Selection 
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    Am I missing something? Doesn't Natural Selection absolutely destroy the "Evolution-violates-2nd-Law-Of-Thermodynamics" argument from creationists?

    I mean, the usual explanation to counter this argument is "that life is not a closed system", which is all good and makes sense, but... is that answer even needed?

    If I'm not mistaking, creationists' arguments goes something like this: "Things left alone without any kind of external intervention, tend to chaos, disorder and randomness"... and I suspect this is important due to the fact that mutations are random and chaotic?

    So, what? Does Evolution depend solely on random mutation to create complexity? Aren't we forgetting that the main driver to evolution is Natural Selection? Chaos and randomness are dealt with by Natural Selection! ... and creationists, I hope you know how Natural Selection works?

    Unless I'm absolutely forgetting something, there's absolutely no issue here, case dismissed!


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    I think it is necessary. Life in general is so inefficient at using energy that even at its optimum without a huge amount of energy being added at the bottom of ecosystems not only would evolution stop---all life would stop.


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    Imagine the extent to which an omnipotent, omnipresent, benevolent, interfering God contravenes the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Funny how it doesn't matter to creationists whether or not God abides by natural Laws. So they will say that He created those Laws and is thereby exempt. Makes no sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tridimity View Post
    Imagine the extent to which an omnipotent, omnipresent, benevolent, interfering God contravenes the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Funny how it doesn't matter to creationists whether or not God abides by natural Laws. So they will say that He created those Laws and is thereby exempt. Makes no sense to me.
    To answer like this is to fall into the Creationist's trap: he wants you to make a claim that sounds like evolution is something religious. (Yes, I used "he" on purpose.)
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