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    Can Plants be enginered to produce A Hell of a lot of Hydrogen? if its possible this could solve our energy needs.


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    Yes they can be engineered to produce more hydrogen. But the plants can not store it, and it's not healthy for the plants, and not very efficient. It takes a plant still a week to produce a liter of hydrogen at any rate. I don't think it can get any higher. Hydrogen is itself very hard to contain. Petrolium producing algae are a better idea. As petrolium is easier to contain.

    Energy needs can be solved pretty easy, launch a solar collector in orbit of earth, and make it beam energy down to collector stations. Though the implications of who controls these scources kinda spring to mind, so it'll never happen without total unity on the free world of the planet, as space is for everyone. Whatever you find in space, is yours.


    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    ..... space is for everyone. Whatever you find in space, is yours.
    Directly contradictory. (And also off-topic)

    On-topic: do you have some references regarding the negative effect of hydrogen on plants?
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    Thankyou for your reply, it was most interesting, the solar collecter idea was good to, would the collector beam down a combination of microwave, heat, and light rays? can the dangerous radation be usefullThe alge petrolum idea is great too, i read about it in New Scientest, You know alchol is useful for combustion, I was thinking it might be possible for people to have their own alchol producing vats in the garden and make ther own, yes iys dangerous bit humans have bern msking it for eternity, and cause of iys high octane level it can be calmed down with hemp oil or something. Forgive my spelling, a combination of a turblent childhood and this Android keyboard.
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    Just how freakishly can we engineer plant?, for e.g Spider Goat.
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    I think I have read something relevant here: Comparing energy conversion of plants and solar cells .In comparision between plants and solar-panel's efficiency (in producing Hydrogen): solar-panel is 10% more efficient. They even said they might need to increase plant efficiency so that more food can be produced in the world.

    I believe that is possible because I once read that current wheat & rice was a genetically engineered food that create more yield, and it saved India from famine.
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    I just read on sciverse forum the viabilty of hydrogen producing bactira through municapal waste, the result were good and highly viable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    ..... space is for everyone. Whatever you find in space, is yours.
    Directly contradictory. (And also off-topic)

    On-topic: do you have some references regarding the negative effect of hydrogen on plants?
    To the thing above, whatever you find in space is yours, because whatever is launched into space does no longer have an owner. A sattelite is officially no longer owned by the one who launched it. Controlled yes, but if you would go to space, jack the sattelite, and bring it back, you can actually keep it. This is what i meant to say, and that's not contradictory.

    I havent looked for negative effects of hydrogen on plants, but i don't think there is research done in this area. Plants who contain more hydrogen, will have more surface and less direct mass, this will have a negative effect on the fluid distribution (for land plants), and it will cause to much strain on the plant (for water plants). Not sure though if there are land plants containing hydrogen, (in harvestable bulbs). Still liquids are the thing to go for.

    At Naresh further, the sattelite would be usefull because most energy is filtered out of the sunlight before it reaches earth, putting a solar panel in orbit will provide about 5 times more energy then the same one on the surface (a guess, nothing referenced). The problem would be, how to get it down. Several options.

    1: In huge capacity batteries, will require space elevator etc to bring empty ones up, and making full ones drop.
    2: A carbon nanotube supported electrical cable.
    3: Beamed down as microwaves or infrared radiation.
    4: As some other form of energy transfer mechanisme John Galt probably knows off.

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    I just read on sciverse forum the viabilty of hydrogen producing bactira through municapal waste, the result were good and highly viable.
    Isn't this mostly methane? As ive heard it being done as due methane.
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    The Bactira has been engineered to make 60% of the by-product gases into Hydrogen.
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    Also there's algea that produce Hydrogen.

    ... and "Introduction to Ecosystem" (a free iBook) says that plant has limited capacity for photosynthesis because it damages the plant cell when there's not enough CO2 or water. So it might be true that plant could be damaged if used to produce Hydrogen purely since it was meant to create carbohydrate and create more plant cells.
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    Google " Feasibilty of Biological Hydrogen production from organic fraction of municipal solid waste.
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