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  1. #1 Farm to Fridge vs Logical Appeal 
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    I recently saw this: (just a warning: it is slightly graphic and depressing) http://www.mercyforanimals.org/farm-to-fridge.aspx

    I personally took the emotional appeal to heart and felt sad for the animals. The video left me morose at best.

    But then again, anything that involves animal rights often exaggerates the situation and the data.

    So from a logical approach, what do you think? Over exaggerated? Worthy to raise awareness of? Is a vegan diet a practical solution?


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    It seems inevitable to me that various new foodstuffs will have to be invented and that current practice of animal husbandry will become outmoded, just as urbanization and modern transportation largely ended the family farm in the USA. Our descendants will be as revolted by eating mammal flesh of any sort as we are by cannibalism, though they may feast on very accurate simulations of filet mignon or sausage derived from other sources.

    Going to space in a big way will accelerate these changes, as colonists will yearn for the familiar tastes of home but have no room for livestock, slaughterhouses, or mountains of manure.


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    You may be right long term. We could develop GM crops that are similar to meat, or tissue culture systems for growing meat.

    However, in the short to medium term, that is not going to happen. Meat will continue to be produced from animals being slaughtered. I do not see this as cruel, since the alternative is all those domestic animals not existing at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Arthur

    You may be right long term. We could develop GM crops that are similar to meat, or tissue culture systems for growing meat.

    However, in the short to medium term, that is not going to happen. Meat will continue to be produced from animals being slaughtered. I do not see this as cruel, since the alternative is all those domestic animals not existing at all.
    Yes, but is domestication itself "cruel"? It is certainly not "Green", since we are interfering with the natural condition of these creatures. This brings up the question of whether Nature is "cruel", though, which is arguably the case. Human beings are the only predators I know of who even attempt to make slaughter as painless for the prey as possible. Ever.

    Going on, it is pretty sure that vegetarianism is a viable lifestyle, as untold generations who have survived poverty and monotonous diets attest. The original purpose of livestock was to turn biomass inedible to humans into an edible form. Instead today we are feeding corn to cattle instead of grass often enough to give one pause.

    As for new foodstuffs, there are already on the market various "meats" and "milks" of non-animal origin. While they do not always approximate the original satisfactorily, they are being improved enough to remain marketable.

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    The original purpose of livestock was to turn biomass inedible to humans into an edible form. Instead today we are feeding corn to cattle instead of grass often enough to give one pause.
    That's a really good point, imagine all the food that we could free up in the form of corn etc if we were to allow cattle to graze on grass instead, thanks.

    The world needs to sort out its food crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Angler View Post
    Yes, but is domestication itself "cruel"? It is certainly not "Green", since we are interfering with the natural condition of these creatures.
    Interesting statement. What do you mean by "green" here?

    It is a pretty poorly defined term, in general, but this use doesn't seem to correspond with other usages I have come across, which generally focus on sustainability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Angler View Post
    It seems inevitable to me that various new foodstuffs will have to be invented and that current practice of animal husbandry will become outmoded, just as urbanization and modern transportation largely ended the family farm in the USA. Our descendants will be as revolted by eating mammal flesh of any sort as we are by cannibalism, though they may feast on very accurate simulations of filet mignon or sausage derived from other sources.
    I think you're partially right but perhaps go too far. I think there's already growing concern for a set of morals that protects those species which are sentient and gives them increasing rights and protections based on the degree of sentience. In other words, we'll still eat fish, but be revolted from eating pigs (which are probably smarter than our pets) and most other mammals because of their high degree of self awareness.
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    Another advantage of artificial foods is that they can eliminate the natural but harmful chemicals present in traditional foodstuffs, e.g. aflatoxin.
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