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    I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous. First of all, species has a definition. Even when taking into consideration only that you want to turn species into something totally different, it is wrong. That's like saying the definition of the word "house" is misplaced and we need to make it mean " builders who use a piece of wood or plastic to sometimes build fences."

    A species is a group of organisms that can interbreed and normally have fertile offspring.

    Second, what you are saying has me completely confused. When you say
    " "Species" means evolution of what started as many different & unique unicellular forms of life created by lightning or any other specific chimical phenomenons," you are talking about evolution. Substitute "change" for "evolution, and "1 or 2" for "many different and unique" and you have evolution.

    The evolution of these unique cells were guided by the Constructal engineer (e.i., lighting takes a constructal form just like snowflakes, trees, a group of birds flying in "V", etc.). Just like a lightning with many
    main and secondary ramifications . A certain number of each specie of "1rst form of life cell " took different directions.
    Honestly, I have no idea what you are saying or what point you are trying to make. Basically that sounds like a mangled and twisted version of Intelligent Design, coupled with the idea that lightening, snowflakes, and other inanimate objects have a conciensce (sp?), but I think/hope that I am wrong. The last sentence is okay though, if you forget the first part of the paragraph. Some members of each species DID "take different directions," if that is what you want to call random mutation/natural selection. But I completely fail to see how that leads up to:

    In other words a specie can be formed of a specific sub-group of microscopic life and a sub-group of reptiles, and a subgroup of mammals etc. Hypothetical example: humanoid X ( white man) , humanoid X (chimpanzee), virus X, reptile X (crocodile), virus X. Another hypothetical example: humanoid Y (black man), humanoid Y ( gorilla), virus Y, reptile Y (viper snake).
    I would love you to address specifically how your new definition of species allows humans and viruses to be the same species. I completely and totally fail to see ANY way that is possible, since viruses are nto even considered ALIVE.

    This explains why a reptile X can be carnivore just like a mammal X and why reptile Y can be herbivore like a mammal Y.
    It also explains why people have such different features. It explains why George W. Bush looks like a chimpanzee while 50 Cent looks like a gorilla.
    More likely because G.W. Bush and the chimpanzee have the same ancestor wich is "1rst form of life cell X " while 50 Cent and a gorilla have the same ancestor wich is "1rst form of life cell Y".
    Reptile X can be a carivore just like mammal X because mammalia and reptilia are not defined by the eating habits of the organism. To some degree mammalian orders are broken up like that though. People actually don't really have very different features. Our eyes are attuned to telling the difference between people, which is why we seem so different to each other. The reason differences exist is because there is variation in the DNA. You don't need anything new to explain that. And George Bush and the chimpanzee do have the same ancestor. So do I. So does everyone else. People look like chimps or gorillas because they have specific genes that cause them to have qualities that we normally associate with chimps.

    I still don't know what you mean by ramification in this sense, and I can only guess that the "Natural engineer" is god, but from what I can tell it seems that you are basically saying that what we consider humans evolved separatedly from radically different organisms, but they all past a sort of test and were promoted to the status of "human".

    Through specific discipline man can do unusual and amazing things ( walk foot naked on 700 degrees celsius fire, etc. etc). Man kind civilisation evolved in the past thousands of years like no other specie on earth. Different species of sharks that didn't change at all within 150 000 000 of years are just secondary ramification early in the evolutionary tree.
    I'd love to see your source for that statement about someone walking across 700 C fire. And your comparing human civilizationt too entire species of sharks. Just because we evolved intelligence as our defense instead of a tough hide, or sharp teeth and claws doesn't make us better than other species. Just because we can destroy huge environments doesn't place us above anything else. Our advanced spirituality and intelligence has led to us fighting wars and killing thousands of people, while "secondary" species like sharks don't feel the need to travel thousands of miles to kill eachother.

    Religion is extremely important (even today) to nurrish "believeing in a Superior Being, the Creator". The Bible is "the instructions manual" for a young race (humanity) and even if alot of people died because of religion that doesn't mean religion is bad. The human civilisations evolved in the right direction with the help of religions. The morality today is because of religion. The whole idea is : " Sometimes, religion must step back and kneel in front of science and science has to do the same thing towards religion".
    Why is it so very important to believe in a "superior" being, the creator? And what is so special about the bible? Why not the Torah or some other religious document? People dyeing because of religion wouldn't make religion bad if religion saved (in the literal sense, not by sending them to heaven) more people, and respected it's boundries. I need to see a source that shows conclusively that we are better off because of religions, and that the morality of today is because of them. We certainly would be in a DIFFERENT place without religion in our past and present, but who knows if we would be better off. As for the last sentence, the first part I agree with, the second I do not. Give me one reasonable occasion where science has too or would have too bow to religion.

    The link that showed a fish "morphing" into an amphibian actually showed an evolutionary intermediate between a fish and an amphibian. That is proof of evolution, not your rediculous speculation.

    not only because they form same species with some of us but because we cannot live without them. All life supports life.
    This, taken completely out of context with the rest of your post, I actually agree with.

    Even though I've never read it I can remember some passages from movies, books, etc. Each sentence in the Bible is extremely wise & powerful and that if you choose to interpret it in a metaphoric way. THe more you see a positive message in the Bible the more you have a high EQ.
    Well, of course it appears that way, considering that you've never actually read the bible. Why would hollywood want to quote the boring or obviously incorrect parts. How can you claim that the more you see a positive message in the bible, the higher your EQ, considering that you've never read it?

    There are imperfections and immoral things about religions because man kind is an early specie and cannot completely understand morality in a split-second. It takes prophets to boost up the "spiritual knoledge.
    Actually there are imperfections and immoral things about religions because mankind created them and mankind is imperfect and immoral, by its own standards. And why exactly do we need prophets too "boost up spiritual knowelge?"

    Both cannot work without each other. A perfect balance between IQ and EQ is needed. The lack of EQ will lead you to atheism, therefore you lose
    sense of moral principles
    WHo says you lose your sense of moral principles as an atheist? Just because you don't believe in god or the supernatural doesn't mean you can't respect human life. You can care about people and want what is best for your species without trying to satisfy a god.

    I'm unable to express my theory in a better language. I'm like babbling baby
    In the first part you need to replace "theory" with "religous guesswork". The second part I agree with though.


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    is this the third or forth time he post this? lost count
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    Deleted entire post cotents because they were a quote of the preceding post with no additional information or remarks. Ophiolite.
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    Can you please stop using the word species in your form? If you have to use a word for what you are describing, make one up. Species has a definition. It has absolutely nothing to do with what you are describing.

    In my opinion when life first apeared on Earth, it did through several different processes (lightning, volcanic activities under water, etc.) creating many species of unicellular life. From here they started the process of Evolution / Involution or Natural selection. (Evolution= progress with genetic potential unlimited, involution= progress with genetic potential limited) Each unique cell (regardless their specie) took wether the Evolution ramification wether the Involution ramification.
    Actually when life first appeared on the earth, it was only 1 or 2 very simple species. Without considering the supernatural, the chances of life appearing at all are very small. The chance that life would appear again is extremely small, but then you have to consider that according to you, the life that appeared again and again was all based on similar proteins, amino acids, etc.

    But it seems like you are saying that actually life appeared millions of times, and as each cell evolved they went through different "ramifications". The ramifications would have to be "stuck" in place, because I doubt more than 6 million organisms made it to the human "ramification" strictly by chance. And in order for the ramifications to be stuck in place, you require a god. So this isn't science. It probably belongs in the pseudoscience forum.

    Please explain why you believe this? There is absolutely no evidence (I don't consider the crap about certain people and certain dogs looking similar evidence), and no reason to believe it at all.
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    alex_mtl, you are nlike kelly in married with children, absolutly nothign in your head, species have a definition. therefor you cant use it in other meanings. One human is a INDIVIDUAL, but all human belongs to the same SPECIES, then we can divide a species into RACES. use the correct words damn it and stop bieng a idiot
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    Alex, unless you can stop babbling like a baby and bring some coherence and clarity to your ideas I shall move this to the pseudoscience section.

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    There is a huge chance life emerges if you have conditions that is extreme but not like it destroys the whole shit. Life needs a few things
    Solvent, cant be gas or solid most be liquid
    Planet, somehwere to collect elements
    Energy, somehting to use to keep itself going
    BackBone, somekinda atom as the backbone of the moleculear structue it uses (Carbon is the one we use and is a good one for all lfie, but not the only one)
    Then you mix alot of chemicals, add some energy, then give it some time and after a while the chance life apphering is great, but then time might be the biggest problem to us humans, it might extend our lifetime several times to happen naturaly. So 0 chance it happeniong is wrong, else i wouldnt say this to you becuase i wouldnt exist, neither would you
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    it means that if there is 0% chance life apphering then we should exist becuase we are living biengs
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    1: we are trying to find those, once life exist on a planet there is small chance it will reaphere if it dont die out for osme reaosn
    2: there is, they are called frogs. there is transitional forms between frogs and fishes aswell
    3: involuting? whats that?

    venus can support life, if you ook up throu the atmosphere, it might be living things there today and some scientist belive there is
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    Look what he's done... typical nutcase Creationist crap we get over at EvC :x!

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    :? if you type something.. LEAVE IT... this way this entire topic is useless...
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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