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  1. #1 Why wasn't nature ready for us? 
    Forum Bachelors Degree 15uliane's Avatar
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    Usually ecosystems are good at reacting to changes and mutations to maintain equilibrium, or something close to it. In fact, I'm pretty sure most mutations are reactions by nature so it can maintain it's balance. So why does natyre seem unable to cope with us and our industry/mechanism. Our spurt of advancement in the industrial age seems to have put natureoff balance. why wasn't it ready. Is our march of progress unatural?


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    Your perspective may be a little off.

    Off hand, nature can and will adapt to anything. Eg. global warming is not as much a danger to nature on Planet Earth as it is for the primate species Homo Sapiens on Planet Earth. Our combination of biological behavior and capability of cognitive intelligence has caused us to populate and over-populate almost the entire planet. However, the over-population factor is causing an imbalance in the natural systems by over-use of ressources, which may seriously damage the living habitats of this primate, eg. through increasing global temperatures.

    Nature will most likely be able to adapt life to such alterations, even if in an extreme case it would cause eg. mass extinctions, including this primate of ours. Nature has managed to adapt life to mass-extinctions many times in Earth history.

    All environmentalism is basically quite selfish in terms of seeking our own continued survival, which of course comes into conflict with our basic biological survival needs (Food/Drink/Rest/Exercise, Territory, Pack, Dominance, Breeding, that sort of thing), which of course is what caused our over-population of the planet (over-population as per our basic human nature). Basically, we're potentially drowning in our own success, but even so nature would do fine without us.

    Anyway, that's my cent on it ...

    BTW, a nice commentary on it by the hon'ble George Carlin:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjmtSkl53h4


    "The suppression of uncomfortable ideas may be common in religion or in politics, but it is not the path to knowledge, and there's no place for it in the endeavor of science. (History) shows us clearly that accepted and conventional ideas are often wrong, and that fundamental insights can arise from the most unexpected sources."
    - Carl Sagan, 1980


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  4. #3 Re: Why wasn't nature ready for us? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    Usually ecosystems are good at reacting to changes and mutations to maintain equilibrium, or something close to it. In fact, I'm pretty sure most mutations are reactions by nature so it can maintain it's balance. So why does natyre seem unable to cope with us and our industry/mechanism. Our spurt of advancement in the industrial age seems to have put natureoff balance. why wasn't it ready. Is our march of progress unatural?
    There is no 'unnatural' and nature doesn't plan ahead. Mutations are random- not a reaction to anything. Natural selection is what happens to the few mutants that fit the circumstances into which they are born. Species evolve blindly- at each iteration the individuals most fit at that time prevail. There is no guarantee of future fitness, and no insurance against any species coming to dominate. What your see as balance, is merely a snapshot of a constantly shifting system in which randomly changing things adapt to their environments and to each other. Life on this planet could burn itself out entirely, under the right circumstances, and there would be nothing unnatural about it and no plan would have been violated. No plan exists.
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