Thread: Human Are Amazing

Human creates robots. Robots are so complicated that human have been spending so much time to invent and improve it. But it will never be as complex as human.

How human begin on this earth is still a question. But I'm sure the creator is a prodigy. I just wonder how human begins on the earth?

Originally Posted by Louis knowledgatism

Human creates robots. Robots are so complicated that human have been spending so much time to invent and improve it. But it will never be as complex as human.

Maybe, maybe not. Robots could quite easily become "as complex as human[s]" some day. We don't know, but it's easily possible.

Originally Posted by Louis knowledgatism

How human begin on this earth is still a question. But I'm sure the creator is a prodigy. I just wonder how human begins on the earth?

There is a lot of really wonderful information you can find on the web. The word you must search is "abiogenesis." You are correct that there are still open questions, but with each day the science becomes better understood. Here's a few links and videos to help you start:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8nYTJf62sE

Originally Posted by Louis knowledgatism

Human creates robots. Robots are so complicated that human have been spending so much time to invent and improve it. But it will never be as complex as human.

How do you know? The complexity of human devices is increasing on an exponential scale. The process is moving much faster than evolution did. Sorry, but it's implausible that technology won't become more complex than life given sufficient time.

Follow iNow's links. They're very informative.

The human brain contains 100 trillion axon connections. Current progress in computers predicts that 100 trillion connections in a computer brain will be achieved in the year 2035.

Originally Posted by skeptic

The human brain contains 100 trillion axon connections. Current progress in computers predicts that 100 trillion connections in a computer brain will be achieved in the year 2035.

Do axon connections account for consciousness?

Dkav

I did not say that. I was commenting on complexity.

We do not know what causes consciousness. However, we should consider the possibility that, once a brain, whether neural or electronic, reaches sufficient complexity, consciousness will spontaneously arise. This may not be correct, but it is a possibility.

Originally Posted by skeptic

Dkav

I did not say that. I was commenting on complexity.

We do not know what causes consciousness. However, we should consider the possibility that, once a brain, whether neural or electronic, reaches sufficient complexity, consciousness will spontaneously arise. This may not be correct, but it is a possibility.

For all we know it already could have...if you have consciousness, you can't tell whether your a biological machine built by aliens or if aliens even exist and do aliens have consciousness? does God have consciousness? does nature? evolution? you just don't know

Of course we don't, Dkav, because we have no means of testing it. However, we have confirmed that a few animal species are conscious (some apes and I think some birds, not sure about exact species, but definitely not dolphins, as I thought first), which means we have ways of determining consciousnes.

Sindrato

If we are considering animals, one of the best guides is the mirror test. If an animal recognises that the image in the mirror is itself, and not another animal, that is strong evidence for self awareness. Normally this is done by marking an animal with a dab of paint while it is drugged or asleep, and seeing if looking at itself in the mirror causes it to direct grooming efforts at the mark.

Some dolphins have definitely passed this test, as have all the great apes, and elephants, plus one bird - the European crow. No monkeys. I predict that more animals will pass this test in the future.

If we are considering animals, one of the best guides is the mirror test. If an animal recognises that the image in the mirror is itself, and not another animal, that is strong evidence for self awareness. Normally this is done by marking an animal with a dab of paint while it is drugged or asleep, and seeing if looking at itself in the mirror causes it to direct grooming efforts at the mark.

Some dolphins have definitely passed this test, as have all the great apes, and elephants, plus one bird - the European crow. No monkeys. I predict that more animals will pass this test in the future.

Thats a good idea I'm gonna try that on my cat :wink:
What about plants though? They are said to be so primitive yet they have some of the most complex survival mechanisms such as gravity sensors and attracting ants by releasing a sugary substance in turn to fend off the plants predators, does complexity always have a direct correlation with consciousness?

Of course, the mirror test is not perfect, but it is possibly the best indication that we have. It is worth noting that humans fail the mirror test until they are 18 months old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test

However, the animals that pass would appear also to be those that have the highest intelligence, and thus the greatest chance of being self aware.

Maybe yes or maybe not.....

Originally Posted by Louis knowledgatism

Human creates robots. Robots are so complicated that human have been spending so much time to invent and improve it. But it will never be as complex as human.

How human begin on this earth is still a question. But I'm sure the creator is a prodigy. I just wonder how human begins on the earth?

I believe your interests are "science and medicine especially".
I intend to avoid you if I ever become ill!