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  1. #1 Do you find laymen irritating? I do. 
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    A coworker today asked me what my major was. "Bio," I answered. Then he said, "what are you going to do with it?" I said, "I don't know, I'm just going to get my degree". He said, "You're going into it blindly just because you like it?" (smirkingly). What an idiotic thing to say. He wasn't there when I read over 30 popular science books and college textbooks. He wasn't there to see me slaving over homework. Besides, how many students know ANYTHING AT ALL about their major of choice before beginning their classes? Very few. I am actually one of the more experienced students at my school due to the time I've taken out of my schedule to learn new things on a whim. At the time all I could muster was, "Blindly?!". The guy doesn't even know me and he assumes I have no clue what I'm doing. I don't have time to teach general bio to people at work..bagging groceries for 6 hours wears one down both physically and mentally. It was my last day before leaving for school and I wanted to leave on a good note..but I feel a little angry right now. I feel that I let the guy get away with insulting me unjustly. He's probably an English, Psych or Philosophy major. Pseudo-intellectuals run rampant at school and work.


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    I think the guy has a point. You really do need to have a plan, especially in these economic times.


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    Well, I do have a plan. I plan to get my degree and, in the process, find out what area of study to focus on. But, yea...you do have a point Harold. Perhaps he was simply implying that it is good to have a plan of action these days. I sometimes overreact due to my own insecurities. I'm glad that I can share things with people on this forum to obtain other people's perspectives because, frankly, I perceive things through a lens distorted by depression.
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    Dear Gottsy,

    Please try not to let this stress you too much. We all know how meticulous you are in reaching a decision, and how you do not take such things lightly. Of course it is important to have plans for the future; of course we must consider the economic practicalities of study. This is all well and good. However, plans remain just that. Plans. And for one very important reason: nobody can predict the future, as the current global economic recession has taught us. So, perhaps you could have majored in something that you thought was almost guaranteed to provide a secure job with good financial incentives at the end of your course. However, nothing in this life is guaranteed. Conversely, one can never really know the full potential implications of research. As Einstein put it, 'if we knew what we were doing, it wouldn't be research'. Indeed, it is unlikely that on commencing his studies of Physics at the Zurich Polytechnic, he was aware of the implications his future work on the Special and General Theories of Relativity would have on the field of Theoretical Physics. Such examples, if less extreme, can be drawn from all quarters of Science.

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    Another thing I would add: don't let anybody else tell you what you want.

    Use your brain to follow your heart, as far as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    I think the guy has a point. You really do need to have a plan, especially in these economic times.
    OK, let's cancel all research, what a waste of money...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twit of wit
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    I think the guy has a point. You really do need to have a plan, especially in these economic times.
    OK, let's cancel all research, what a waste of money...
    I don't even see how this pertains to what I posted. I am suggesting that Gottspieler will need to have a plan for finding gainful employment after he graduates. It is not sufficient to just pursue studies that you like, and trust that a job will be there when you graduate. I base this advice on personal experience and observation of others' experience.

    Will Gottspeiler need to have a PhD for his desired career, and is he on track for that? Will he go into teaching? Does he need a teaching certificate? These kinds of things need to be considered, the earlier the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Quote Originally Posted by Twit of wit
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    I think the guy has a point. You really do need to have a plan, especially in these economic times.
    OK, let's cancel all research, what a waste of money...
    I don't even see how this pertains to what I posted.
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    1. The answer to his question is, "Yes, because I like it. No one does this if they don't like it, if they don't love it. It's not easy and it's not a get-rich quick scheme, it's a path I've chosen because I want to enjoy what I do, and in that sense, it's not a blind decision at all."

    2. Plans are good. You should try to make one if you can. But it's hard to make a plan if you're not sure what you want yet, so the best plan at the moment is to explore and try out your options. You can do that with classes but you should try to get some hands-on lab experience whenever and wherever you can. I think that's a good plan for you right now.

    3. Laymen are only irritating because they do not have the same background and/or values as you do. And in that sense they're just as irritating as anybody with a different background and/or values as you, and some of them probably find you irritating too. *sings "why can't weeeee be friends, why can't we be friends...."*
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    Well..classes start soon para, so I will gain some valuable lab experience from vertebrate zoology and chem labs. I've already gained a bit of experience from Microbio as well.
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    Labs designed to teach you coursework are not the same as labs doing active research.
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    Oh..you mean work in an actual lab? Haha...maybe over the summer...right now I have work study, 14 hours worth of course work, a weight loss goal that will require 2 hours of weightlifting and jogging a day (total, not of each), many good books to read and a social network to build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twit of wit
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    I think the guy has a point. You really do need to have a plan, especially in these economic times.
    OK, let's cancel all research, what a waste of money...
    Maybe not cancel all research, but let's have transparancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Quote Originally Posted by Twit of wit
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    I think the guy has a point. You really do need to have a plan, especially in these economic times.
    OK, let's cancel all research, what a waste of money...
    I don't even see how this pertains to what I posted. I am suggesting that Gottspieler will need to have a plan for finding gainful employment after he graduates. It is not sufficient to just pursue studies that you like, and trust that a job will be there when you graduate. I base this advice on personal experience and observation of others' experience.

    Will Gottspeiler need to have a PhD for his desired career, and is he on track for that? Will he go into teaching? Does he need a teaching certificate? These kinds of things need to be considered, the earlier the better.
    I'd say study something you love, but make sure to follow all the marketable angles. Biology is great if you want to work for a food or drug making company, or something related to agriculture.

    Research is iffy, because when times get tough, all non-essential spending is subject to being cut. (And research is something that is beneficial, but not necessarily essential.) Nobody is going to stop paying you to make food, though, no matter how bad it gets.
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    Some years ago going into investment banking or real estate was roundly applauded, and those who planned their lives thusly were expected to do quite well financially.

    Do something you enjoy and unless it is an area with really absolutely horrendous prospects (e.g. poetry) you'll do as fine finding employment as the investment bankers.

    Otherwise, be a plumber; there will always be work for plumbers.
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