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  1. #1 Creation of Solar System and Primitive Life? 
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    Hello world! I am a high school student, so, excuse me if my writing is not up to par
    with the other posts. I have thought of a far-fetched theory, almost like the Big Bang... Please, critiscize elaborately,
    and help me improve future posts.

    The Big Bang theory explained the creation of the universe, yet the creation of life in that theory, is a bit unclear.
    I support evolution, personally, but it has always been a mystery as to how life, beginning-as I believe-unicellular,
    came to be, in the start. I have been reading through a few past posts, and I will quote Stephen Smith as saying,
    "There is no experimental evidence that matter can be compressed to 'infinite density.' Compression zones (z-pinches) in the plasma filaments form plasmoids that become the stars and galaxies."

    What if our solar system, began as one massive planet, such as all the continents were Pangea, millenia ago.
    What if, our solar system was a super-planet, and was pummeled by catastrophic events, splitting into the
    terrestial planets, and the excess gas, compressed in an explosion, into the gas giants?
    Could that not be possible? We have no proof saying why not. In such catastrophic circumstances, which
    could include meteor strikes, even asteroids, splitting up our planet. Now, with the quote, what if matter could be
    compressed so much, that it fuses into new elements? Or life? The impact of the asteroids on the planet, and the
    mere friction of the seperation of the planets, from the one super-planet... what if life was fused from matter,
    and gases? Is it not possible? All life is made up of basic elements. Oxygen, and Carbon. There may have been
    a fusion of these all, and a basic, ultra-primitive life-form could have emerged.


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    So life was formed by fusion much as new elements are formed in stars?

    I dunno, the gist of your post seems to say if we pummel together catastrophic events, wonderful things must emerge. Yet life observed rather thrives in lukewarm residues, not planet cores. Why don't we find the oldest best-established lifeforms spat alive from volcanos?


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    I don't understand what you're trying to say. I do realize what I am saying is quite far-fetched and extreme, but could it not be possible? There has been no scientific practices to prove that an extreme collision, may fuse elements together, and create new characteristics. It cannot be ruled out. I am merely trying to understand how the first, most primitive, uni-cellular molecule came to be.
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    The theory you need to be looking up, is Abiogenesis, which is the theory of how life formed from non-life. It is a field of ongoing study and we do not yet have an answer that is accepted by the scientific community for how that happened. They are getting close though.

    Figure it out, and you'll likely win a nobel prize.
    Always minimize the variables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire
    The Big Bang theory explained the creation of the universe, yet the creation of life in that theory, is a bit unclear.
    One thing we need to do is to clearly separate theories dealing with the origin and evolution of the universe - the field of cosmology - from those dealing with the origin and evolution of life - biology.

    We now have a reasonably good idea for how the sun and its attendant planets formed. From that we a passable idea of the conditions present on the primitve Earth. That allows us to explore what is possible, what is likely and what is unlikely in the origin of life.

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    What if our solar system, began as one massive planet, such as all the continents were Pangea, millenia ago.
    What if, our solar system was a super-planet, and was pummeled by catastrophic events, splitting into the
    terrestial planets, and the excess gas, compressed in an explosion, into the gas giants?
    Could that not be possible?
    I cannot say outright that it is impossible. I can say that there is no evidence I am aware of to support the idea. Now it is a creative idea - all current theories began in like manner with a creative idea. Someone asked a question just as you have asked a question, and offered a hypothetical answer.

    The next stage in the process is the difficult one. You need to find evidence for the idea. you need to make predictions from the idea. I fear your proposal is probably doomed at this stage.

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    In such catastrophic circumstances, which
    could include meteor strikes, even asteroids, splitting up our planet. Now, with the quote, what if matter could be
    compressed so much, that it fuses into new elements?
    We know, in some considerable detail, how new, heavier elements are formed from the fusion of lighter ones. The theory of this has been worked out some time ago and confirmed by observations of supernovae, by computer simulations, and the like. Many of the pathways are complex and there does not seem to be anything in your scenario that could replicate these pathways.

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    The impact of the asteroids on the planet, and the
    mere friction of the seperation of the planets, from the one super-planet... what if life was fused from matter, and gases? Is it not possible?
    I should say it is definitely not possible. The route to life is a very complex one. We do not yet understand how it happened, though the broad outlines are in place. Chance combinations of the kind you are proposing are simply inadequate to create even an ultra-simple life form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire
    There has been no scientific practices to prove that an extreme collision, may fuse elements together, and create new characteristics. It cannot be ruled out.
    Scientists do observe and instigate extreme collisions. That catastrophic explosions or fusion would yeild primordial life is as well dispoven as fireplaces yeilding salamandars.

    OTOH "shake 'n bake" is widely supposed to have had some role in it. Nothing in the order of smashed superplanets fusing new elements though. More like gentle eddies in a hotspring.
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    Thank you all for your time! I just had a dream about these things one night and had to write them down. I appreciate it.
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