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  1. #1 Why are males and females not evolutionarily calibrated? 
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    It seems like some sort of cosmic joke of nature the way men and women fight and are at odds (nearly) all the time. They seem to get in synch only long enough for a quick impregnation then are fighting again.

    Men always want sex whereas women get aggravated by this.

    I was reading men reach their sexual peak at 18-22 whereas women it is in their 30's (not sure of the validity of this, at least genetically/hormonally, but socially it seems plausible).

    It seems during our 20's men and women are mostly enemies to one another in public gatherings. The men resent the women for not putting out and the women resent the men for being horny bastards.

    So why have things evolved this way? Shouldn't evo just want us fucking like bunnies all the time? Of course it isn't that simple and there are a myriad of different interests constantly fighting for supremacy to make this uneasy equilibrium we call life. That is my inquiry, what are the particular factors which have caused such a general divergence between the sexes? Why aren't things more harmonious?

    Why does there seem to be more discord than harmony between the sexes giving rise to the cynical saying 'battle of the sexes'?


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    So much assumption and fallacy -so little time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Synergy
    It seems like some sort of cosmic joke of nature the way men and women fight and are at odds (nearly) all the time. They seem to get in synch only long enough for a quick impregnation then are fighting again.

    Men always want sex whereas women get aggravated by this.

    I was reading men reach their sexual peak at 18-22 whereas women it is in their 30's (not sure of the validity of this, at least genetically/hormonally, but socially it seems plausible).

    It seems during our 20's men and women are mostly enemies to one another in public gatherings. The men resent the women for not putting out and the women resent the men for being horny bastards.

    So why have things evolved this way? Shouldn't evo just want us fucking like bunnies all the time? Of course it isn't that simple and there are a myriad of different interests constantly fighting for supremacy to make this uneasy equilibrium we call life. That is my inquiry, what are the particular factors which have caused such a general divergence between the sexes? Why aren't things more harmonious?

    Why does there seem to be more discord than harmony between the sexes giving rise to the cynical saying 'battle of the sexes'?
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    I'll reply when I figure out what on earth I just read.
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    I know of no clear scientific answer. But I can -however- give you my theory. I believe evolution made us this way, as maybe... a safeguard against over-breeding? It almost makes sense, and in fact, research timelines of how far back this ordeal goes. It may be recent that males and females have been fighting more over this matter. The population has been growing and the mating has been decreasing? Research that. I'm sorry for being no help, but you have intrigued me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synergy
    It seems like some sort of cosmic joke of nature the way men and women fight and are at odds (nearly) all the time. They seem to get in synch only long enough for a quick impregnation then are fighting again.

    Men always want sex whereas women get aggravated by this.

    I was reading men reach their sexual peak at 18-22 whereas women it is in their 30's (not sure of the validity of this, at least genetically/hormonally, but socially it seems plausible).

    It seems during our 20's men and women are mostly enemies to one another in public gatherings. The men resent the women for not putting out and the women resent the men for being horny bastards.

    So why have things evolved this way? Shouldn't evo just want us fucking like bunnies all the time? Of course it isn't that simple and there are a myriad of different interests constantly fighting for supremacy to make this uneasy equilibrium we call life. That is my inquiry, what are the particular factors which have caused such a general divergence between the sexes? Why aren't things more harmonious?

    Why does there seem to be more discord than harmony between the sexes giving rise to the cynical saying 'battle of the sexes'?
    Read Matt Ridley's The Red Queen. Do you really think that women and men are at odds? Maybe we are wired differently? It may seem that way for those of us who don't get laid often (myself included) but recent studies suggest otherwise. Is it any surprise that women are often more fertile when they cheat (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=1469078) or that they tend to do it more often than they'd like to admit? It's called sexual selection. A lot of women do "fuck like bunnies"..with the right people (not all but more than you'd expect...1 in 10 women cheat according to a 1994 study by sociologist Edward Lauman). And you and me ain't them.


    So why have things evolved this way? Shouldn't evo just want us fucking like bunnies all the time?
    No. The "fittest" (most popular, best looking, most rich, most intelligent, etc. in the case of homo sapiens...and often a combination of these traits is required) will generally "fuck like bunnies" while everyone else gets left behind. Yes, this probably happens more often to guys than women..but that's just because, as you've stated, men are horny bastards. And don't worry, although women generally have the option of being able to have sex whenever they'd like, their sex drives are usually lower and they have more anxiety issues on average than men. Thus sex does not equal happiness. So don't feel bad that you can't get poon.
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    A male naturally initiates sex; he must make it happen Ö and so, it must happen now. Itís instinctive. If a woman wonít let it happen, heíll probably go elsewhere.

    A female naturally "prolongs" sex; she's part of the consequences for at least 9 months, more likely, close to 20 years. Itís instinctive. If her man wonít promise to stay around for that long, she probably wonít have him.

    So, the man wants it now, and the woman wants him for 20 years. And thus, the mating ritual of courtship and marriage. It has been said: A man gives love to get sex, and a woman gives sex to get love.

    The main problem in marriage is that, for a man, sex is a hunger like eating. If the man is hungry and canít get to a fancy French restaurant, he goes to a hot dog stand. For a woman, what is important is love and romance.
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  9. #8 Re: Why are males and females not evolutionarily calibrated? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by gottspieler

    Read Matt Ridley's The Red Queen. Do you really think that women and men are at odds? Maybe we are wired differently? It may seem that way for those of us who don't get laid often (myself included) but recent studies suggest otherwise. Is it any surprise that women are often more fertile when they cheat (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=1469078) or that they tend to do it more often than they'd like to admit? It's called sexual selection. A lot of women do "fuck like bunnies"..with the right people (not all but more than you'd expect...1 in 10 women cheat according to a 1994 study by sociologist Edward Lauman). And you and me ain't them.
    I think, when choosing a "steady guy" to settle down with, the perception that he doesn't have a lot of mating options (and therefore can't cheat on her) factors favorably into her decision to accept or decline marriage.

    Unfortunately, that same criteria would tend to lead to selecting men who can't satisfy her.



    So why have things evolved this way? Shouldn't evo just want us fucking like bunnies all the time?
    No. The "fittest" (most popular, best looking, most rich, most intelligent, etc. in the case of homo sapiens...and often a combination of these traits is required) will generally "fuck like bunnies" while everyone else gets left behind. Yes, this probably happens more often to guys than women..but that's just because, as you've stated, men are horny bastards. And don't worry, although women generally have the option of being able to have sex whenever they'd like, their sex drives are usually lower and they have more anxiety issues on average than men. Thus sex does not equal happiness. So don't feel bad that you can't get poon.
    Don't forget to add in the social concern here. The only way for a man to know which offspring are his is if he's in an exclusive relationship with the woman at the time of conception. For a woman, the opposite is true. She always knows who her own offspring are, no matter what.

    So, the idea of men having multiple wives really doesn't cause as many problems as the idea of women having multiple husbands. Horny/un-selective guys don't break down society too much so long as the women are selective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synergy
    It seems during our 20's men and women are mostly enemies to one another in public gatherings.
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    Men and women inherently have had different objectives from an evolutionary standpoint because women can only bear a limited number of offspring in a lifetime. Therefore their strategy will be more oriented toward survival of the limited number of children they have. To this end, they will try to pick a male who will be a good provider and try to get him into a committed relationship. Men, on the other hand, also have an interest in survival of their own offspring but can also benefit from impregnating strange women, if they can manage it, and if they can find women foolish enough to agree to it.
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