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  1. #1 Would the human race have more success as a hive mind? 
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    If human Consciousness was like that of ants, having a hive mind while maintaining our intelligence do you think humanity would be better of? Or do you think our induviduality is the source of our diversity and strength and that the tradeoffs wouldnt be worth it?

    As i see it a collective consciousness would shoot effectiveness through the roof, but yet again it would have many downsides also.

    Any thoughts or opinions on this?


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    This fits more in general discussion, since ants don't have a hive mind in the way you mean it. Nothing does in fact.

    Anyway, what do you consider success? We are quickly moving towards 7 billion individuals.


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    Ants don't have a hive mind because they don't really have minds. Humans already act in groups with more intelligence and greater coordination than ants do. I think we can safely say that multinational corporations and armies act more intelligently than ant's nests, though we may dislike what they actually do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziell
    If human Consciousness was like that of ants, having a hive mind while maintaining our intelligence do you think humanity would be better of? Or do you think our induviduality is the source of our diversity and strength and that the tradeoffs wouldnt be worth it?

    As i see it a collective consciousness would shoot effectiveness through the roof, but yet again it would have many downsides also.

    Any thoughts or opinions on this?

    I think we'd lose creativity and adaptability. The benefits over the short term would probably be great, but in the long run adaptability matters more.
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    We already have an emergent hive mind. Since culture I guess.
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    what exactly do you mean by a hive mind, would we all connect telepathically and share opinions or where we have a queen that directs us?just some examples
    just wondering
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    Quote Originally Posted by zendra
    what exactly do you mean by a hive mind, would we all connect telepathically and share opinions or where we have a queen that directs us?just some examples
    Sounds like... the internet

    Technological telepathy would not be all the hard to achieve, when you think about it. The core infrastructure is already there. Now all we need is a portable, mind-controlled interface. A broadband enabled iPhone with a plug for your head. The hurdles are the organic-electronic interface and the mobile broadband, both of which are areas being intensely researched.
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    Strictly speaking, cybernetics is any kind of human-machine-interface. Hooking up to neurons only makes it faster. A computer mouse is a cybernetic device. Coupled with a monitor, we get rich feedbacks so the human & computer begin to act as one system. Lol my hard drive is constipated because I haven't been up to my usual maintenance.

    One can see how cybernetics alone may end at individual human-machine units, so, no hive-mind.

    I think the hive mind emerges more from communication and culture than enabling technology. For example honeybee dance (that directs the foragers where to go) is all communication and culture, no high-tech brain interface required. You could say the bees focused on one cherry orchard have adopted cherry-blossom culture. On the other hand their pheromone signal propagation is virtually telepathic mind-control.

    What Jung called collective unconsciousness would not go far enough, because he defined it as inherited. He was talking about instincts, roughly. A fully-fledged hive-mind must "think on its feet" so to speak.

    Okay, I think I found manifestation of hive-mind that we are normally unconscious of: supermarket checkout beacons. These probably just evolved without anybody planning them to serve as they do (they would have originally been for store managers, not like shoppers need to find cash register #4). The toymakers may have given it no thought, just knowing every checkout sports one of those characteristic glowing boxes with the number. Individual store designers may think what they like, but are powerless to change this invention of the hive-mind.



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    That reminds me of the movie "Ghost in the Shell". Awesome movie, by the way...
    A collective intelligence of human brains would definitely be more powerful. It would be a huge brain, in fact. As already mentioned, that is already partly achieved by communication and storage of our thoughts by books, hard-disks etc... But would such a "god-brain" be desirable? On the one hand the lost privacy... on the oter hand: Who would control that brain?! A human would be just a little fucking cell in that god-brain^^ Besides, why do we need to be more effective? We live in a fucking effectivity-society...why can't we simply relax and live...
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    ScienceDaily (Jan. 22, 2010) New A team of researchers including scientists from the University of Florida has shown insect colonies follow some of the same biological "rules" as individuals, a finding that suggests insect societies operate like a single "superorganism" in terms of their physiology and life cycle.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0119092832.htm
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