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  1. #1 A review of creationist science 
    Veracity Vigilante inow's Avatar
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    I think that this video will resonate with many here. Enjoy.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBHEsEshhLs
    One of the most fascination things for me about the whole religion debate, is the quality of the arguments that come from the religious side in response to the atheist/anti-theist kickback of recent years. Quality? It's too positive a word. The quality of the arguments is dreadful. It truly fascinates me to see these desperately bad arguments, so easily debunked and deflected, coming back at us time and time again. I dealt with one of them in a recent video called "Atheists secretly believe in Yahweh", and this video is a similar thing, about creationism's terrible arguments (if you can call them that).

    I know next to nothing about science - really, only what I've learnt by being interested in this debate for the last few years. And what is fascinating for me, is that the anti-science (creationist) side have such amazingly bad arguments. Their arguments are rarely, if ever, any better than utterly wrong. They're either flat out wrong, or make things up, strawman style, and then when their errors are pointed out, - they NEVER admit their mistakes, and seem to go on arguing the same things. It is just too plain to see to be a mistake - it's clear that as long as theyve got a flock of believers to preach it to, they'll keep on going like this, even when they are knowingly lying.

    So this is based on a debate I recently heard between Kent Hovind and a christian who accepted evolution. Hovind just bulldozed his way through, spouting things that EVEN I know are wrong, and that, I have no doubt whatsoever, he has been corrected on time after time after time.

    Its also based on P.Z. Myers famous debate against Geoffrey Simmonds (early 2008) - a guy with doctoral qualifications who didnt know the scientific meaning of the word theory, and used it as a pejorative. Quite a few elements of the script came from that exchange (whales, ignorance... etc).
    The linked video is about 11 minutes.


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    enjoyment is not exactly the word i would use to describe the video
    nausea maybe, or exasperation, but enjoyment ?


    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Well, I thought that telling people how depressingly accurate it was might discourage viewing. 8)
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    Ha, well I came across the news that there's a Darwin themed opera touring Europe at the moment, and I didn't want to make a separate thread for it.

    So, I'm gonna tack it onto your thread inow

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Hr-...eature=related
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    That's somewhat odd... :?
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    Ya it's fairly odd even for music from The Knife, who are in general odd to begin with.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKhjaGRhIYU
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    The Knife? I haven't heard of them. Are they cutting edge?
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    methinks it must be a universal law that wit becomes cornier with age
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    methinks it must be a universal law that wit becomes cornier with age
    Not necessarily. I had a reputation for dry, obvious humour when I was eight. The only thing that changes is that it no longer embarrasses me.
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    I agree with you entirely(not talking about the music) as I recently saw a movie called ''The gift of The Da Vinci code''. It involves a priest going through claims made in ''The Da Vinci code'' but came across to me as a desperate attempt to convert people back to the belief(or fact) that Dan Browns claims are false.It cleverly uses little techniques to make their ideas seem obvious , some examples include comparing Christianity to other religions instead of answering questions about it, simple proportion differences in displays, and a song at the end. They portrayed a look that gave the sense they appreciated the book at the start but by the end it had turned into a church service. I also noted that creation/evolution debates often involve only Christians, are there any proper debates between evolutionists and creationists online?
    just wondering
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    Quote Originally Posted by zendra
    I also noted that creation/evolution debates often involve only Christians, are there any proper debates between evolutionists and creationists online?
    There are lots of great debates (and other interesting info) cataloged at the link below:

    http://www.richarddawkins.net/search...e1,n,Video,n,n
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    Along the smae lines as the other links in this thread is this list from Cracked.com
    http://www.cracked.com/funny-3809-in...nt-techniques/
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