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    As it stands i know very little about mainstream biology and as it stands my question is unrelated (most probably) to such a thing, that is if such a thing exists but i digress.

    What are the limits of biology in terms of far,far,far future projection? Will it ever be possible for human beings to emit electricity or fly? or is this my own little fantasy that could never be realised? Just a thought ?!


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    I highly doubt that we would ever be able to fly maybe in a long long long evolutionary timeline we could be ancestors to something that could fly but if they could fly the probably wouldn't resemble humans anymore


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    Your question is actually: what are the limits of human biology and the possible modifications feasible with the human biology as a foundation?
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    There was a previous thread on human flight that basically came to the conclusion that it wouldn't be possible without severely altering human physiology to the point where we wouldn't look very human anymore. Since some organisms do emit limited amounts of electricity it may be possible to eventually allow humans to do so, and I would think that would involve less visual obvious changes, but that's just a guess.

    Any fantasy ability you may have is much more likely to be fulfilled (and fulfilled sooner) by technological devices and/or implants than it is by an alteration of our biological elements.
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    superman has no limit he can do what ever he wants, he will kick god in the face and say fuck you
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    Rainycity, please try to make your comments actually relevant to the topic at hand. Further posts of that kind will be edited or removed.
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    Man can will nothing unless he has first understood that he must count on no one but himself; that he is alone, abandoned on earth in the midst of his infinite responsibilities, without help, with no other aim than the one he sets himself, with no other destiny than the one he forges for himself on this earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainycity
    superman has no limit he can do what ever he wants, he will kick god in the face and say fuck you
    True:

    As for someone not liking your tone....there are thousands of broadcasts, writings, postings a day telling me that evolution is bogus. The Jesus dude is prepared to cast me down to Hell where I'll be skewered on Satan's pitchfork and BBQed for eternity.

    To paraphrase the Christians: if you don't kiss 'His' ass:

    Jesus has no limit he can do what ever he wants, he will kick you in the face and say fuck you..... Only Jesus will do it forever.


    So to the believers, Jesus can do whatever he wants. He's not restricted by evolution. Glue some wings on humans and call them angels....raise Lazarus and others from the dead and have his very own zombies. Sprout big flat feet and walk on water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spuriousmonkey
    Your question is actually: what are the limits of human biology and the possible modifications feasible with the human biology as a foundation?
    "With the hunman biology as the foundation"

    Your posting includes a concept often forgotten. Organisms come to evolutionary crossroads and take the roads dictated by natural selection. It is one thing to evolve wings etc, from body plan 'a'...but it is quite another challenge if body plan 'a' has evolved to body plan 'b'. Certain skeletal, neurological, etc. parts have altered, atrophied, changed function and so on. Natural selection is unlikely to take a path such as 'flight' if most of the other elements necessary for flight have evolved in other directions. Other strategies are more productive to pass on genetic material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spuriousmonkey
    Your question is actually: what are the limits of human biology and the possible modifications feasible with the human biology as a foundation?
    I would also take the question to mean at what point in evolution is a new species created. The bar is fairly high, a percentage or two of genetic distance is usually enough amongst "higher" organisms to warrant a new species designation.

    Still, some bizarre traits can occur with very little actual genetic change, see for example:

    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/st...7880954&page=1
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    what if we stop reproducing all together.

    are we still a species?
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    Religious: "If man was meant to fly GAHD would have given him wings"

    Science: invents the airplane, and also kotex with wings.

    We fly in something so light and small now as a hang-glider. We forget that technology is our new evolutionary path: we will replace evolution (translation for the religious: EVILution) with technology. Just like the Martians of HG Wells.

    If an individual himself wants to fly about like in his dreams - attach a belt or whatever convenient form it takes in the future, and off you go!
    For the moment, the smallest you can get is a hangglider or else take the tourist route to space for a few days.

    My brother tells me that once you're up in a Cessna, you see how DAMN small that device is alone, hanging up in the air, with just a tiny door between you and GRAVITY. (which, for the religious, Jesus proves wrong by floating up, etc etc...lol)
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    Limits of biology?
    For me, I believe no matter how advanced we've moved toward biology field, we can never overcome and eliminate the cause of aging.
    Second, this related to medical advancement... we can never create and incorporate genes or introduce medicine which will make us immune to common diseases like flu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyg
    Limits of biology?
    For me, I believe no matter how advanced we've moved toward biology field, we can never overcome and eliminate the cause of aging.
    Second, this related to medical advancement... we can never create and incorporate genes or introduce medicine which will make us immune to common diseases like flu.
    I smell indoctrination.

    Anyhow, who invented limitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyg
    Limits of biology?
    For me, I believe no matter how advanced we've moved toward biology field, we can never overcome and eliminate the cause of aging.
    Second, this related to medical advancement... we can never create and incorporate genes or introduce medicine which will make us immune to common diseases like flu.
    we have made medicines that make us immune to flu viruses. The problem is, the virus that causes the flu mutates, and becomes something we are not immune to that will cause the flu to manifest in the person that new virus infects.
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    Will it ever be possible for human beings to emit electricity or fly?
    Yes, if knowledge and technology continue to progress, it will be possible

    But by then humans might no longer call themselves humans but perhaps something else like trans-humans or homo genomus but if the trend continues we might develop the hability to alter our genes or appearance like we change clothes, hair color and other aspects may be more like a fashion then permanent, or adopt various properties that exist in other animals or eventually new ones. Since we are essentially memory with a personality, it will eventually be possible to be immortal from the perspective of that memory/personality that perceives itself as a person by replacing/regenerating all cells or switching bodies.

    And the more we will be able to alter our bodies, the less our bodies and their form will be essential to our identity as individuals or as a species, you might in the far future have individuals that integrate in part or adopt as a whole an artificial body(ex:robotic, cellular-nanobot hybrid, etc) or a totally non-human form (ex:dolphin) for a period of time, at that point in our social evolution these individuals will demand(if thats not already mainstream) to be treated in a similar way to humans and human right will probably become more sentient rights.
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    "The problem is, the virus that causes the flu mutates"

    considering that 100 years ago there were no airplanes, lasers or scanners, printers and no digital recording devices and that now we have multi-gigabite memory the size of a quarter, scanners etc, its not hard to imagine that in a hundred years from now it could be possible to have a personal molecular medical scanner in conjuction with nanotech device implants that scans and detects viruses in the bloodstream, automatically crossreferences them with a planetary internet database unpdated daily, and determines which custom treatment is required if any. We might have an appliance like a microwave oven but that assembles molecules so that it can assemble the medecine, drug, nanomolecules or nanobots specially designed to target the virus. If the human race can survive natural disasters or self-destruction for another century, and things progress at the same rate, a lot of what appears to be problems to us now will wont even be a second thought to people in the future.
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