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    1. Is cloning a practical technological advance worth pursuing?
    2. What kinds of things would be gained through cloning?
    3. Should cloning and genetic engineering be used on animals or plants?
    4. Do you believe that cloning can be a humane process? Why or why not?
    5. If human clones had been created, would they be treated fairly?
    6. Is it ethical to clone animals for the sole purpose of food?
    7. What was the coolest science fiction cloning movie you've seen? Do you think that could happen one day?
    8. As a scientist, Would you say that cloning is beneficial or harmful?

    I'm new here and I would like to listen to some view that you guys have. You don't have to answer all the questions obviously but please note that I may quote you in a research paper

    As a side note, please state your credentials that might possibly influence your views (i.e. genetic scientist, student, teacher, preacher).


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    Please note that the purpose of shadowz's assignment is to survey people's opinions on these questions.
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    1. Is cloning a practical technological advance worth pursuing?

    Yes, because it will guarantee that you can spend all your grant money. most techniques are quite costly. Anything that costs a lot is good in the biological sciences because you can apply for bigger grants.

    2. What kinds of things would be gained through cloning?

    Prestige, grants, high impact publications, exaggerated press releases

    3. Should cloning and genetic engineering be used on animals or plants?

    Preferably animals because it is more prestigious.

    4. Do you believe that cloning can be a humane process? Why or why not?

    Yes. Especially if we would clone armies.

    5. If human clones had been created, would they be treated fairly?

    Of course. Each and one of them will have the same opportunity to slave away under an oppressive system.

    6. Is it ethical to clone animals for the sole purpose of food?

    It is, but it is also rather boring. The only good food cloning application I can see is to clone dogs that serve as food. That should get the press releases rolling in.

    7. What was the coolest science fiction cloning movie you've seen? Do you think that could happen one day?

    That would be 'Supersize me', a film about sheople eating inbred meat products and in the process destroying themselves, but they couldn't help themselves because their brains were the product of a cloning process accomplished by TV.

    8. As a scientist, Would you say that cloning is beneficial or harmful?

    It is hugely beneficial. Add cloning to your grant application and your chances of receiving the grant increases.




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    Thanks but can you add anything a little more realistic than slaving clone armies? (lol)
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    Anyone???
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    From the homework sticky thread for this forum:

    Finally, remember that people have to be at least somewhat interested in the topic before they will post on it. If your question is not of interest to many members, you may not get many responses sometimes you may get none at all. I repeat that we are here for our enjoyment, and it is our choice whether or not to help you.
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    Cloning. The benefits of cloning in terms of pure research are enormous. Experiments require test and control. If the two are carried out on genetically identical speciments, the results are far more reliable.

    In terms of animal breeding, it will permit superior genetic material to be duplicated many times, thus having a much bigger impact in improving a strain. This will lead to much improved domestic animals and crop plants. There is a risk here, we must be aware of. Too much cloning may result in a reduction in genetic variation, which could lead to disaster.

    Cloning could be used as a technique to rebuild populations of animals that might otherwise go extinct. Again, there is a danger of too little genetic variation, but that is preferable to extinction.

    Animal or plant? Cloning of plants has been going on since the beginnings of agriculture. We take and grow cuttings. Nothing new there, so the innovation is animal cloning.

    Humane? Sure, why not. Whether an animal is cloned or the result of normal sperm/ovum fertilisation makes no difference to the final product, which is a baby animal. There will be problems short term while we get to perfect the process, and sadly there are deformed animals that result from the cloning that is done before the process is perfected.

    We already have human clones. Identical twins are clones of each other. They are already treated fairly, and there is no reason to suggest this will be changed. Note though, that the higher rate of birth defects from cloned animals versus natural is a good reason to hold off cloning any humans till the process is better understood.

    Clones for food? In what way, in terms of ethics, is this different to normal breeding of animals for food?
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    1. Is cloning a practical technological advance worth pursuing?
    -yes, advancing the technology of cloning will lead to advancements in specific organ/tissue cloning.

    2. What kinds of things would be gained through cloning?
    -see above, organ and tissue farms would provide matching transplants without the need for a donor.

    3. Should cloning and genetic engineering be used on animals or plants?
    -As long as the animal is not harmed and plants of course

    4. Do you believe that cloning can be a humane process? Why or why not?
    -Yes, cloning individual organs and tissue could save lifes and no one need to complete the process and no in relation to creating complete clones. I don't think anyone should be conceived because someone thought it would be neat. And yes

    5. If human clones had been created, would they be treated fairly?
    -They better be. A clone is a living, sentient individual being.

    6. Is it ethical to clone animals for the sole purpose of food?
    -The entire animal no, just it's "meat" yes.

    7. What was the coolest science fiction cloning movie you've seen? Do you think that could happen one day?
    -Don't know any.

    8. As a scientist, Would you say that cloning is beneficial or harmful?
    -It could be both depending on who is in charge of the technology

    I'm a Bioinformatics/Mathematics Undergrad doing research in "tissue growing".
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowz
    Thanks but can you add anything a little more realistic than slaving clone armies? (lol)
    You are right. They will just make bionic slave armies, growing brains in biovats and putting them into robotic warriors.
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    Of course they will knock out the Tlx gene so that the robots will be overly aggressive.
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    I think the most profitable application of cloning in the near future will be the cloning of pets.

    There are plenty of rich people out there who can't stand the thought of departing with their beloved pets.

    Of course a cloned pet will never be the same, but I doubt they have the intellectual capacity to understand or the ethical background to care.

    From that we only have to make a short leap towards the cloning of lost family members.

    Possibly in some clinic in South America filled with American and Korean technicians/doctors/scientists.
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