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    In fact, i've decided to make a whole thread on this poor creature.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_(chimpanzee)

    Personally, i think the fact he found humans attractive over his fellow chimps, walking upright, having the luxuries only humans truely adore is plenty evidence that perhaps humane-traits are not entirely genetic, if indeed any part of him can be related as such.

    Anyone heard, or even got any thoughts on this really bizarre case?


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    Yes. He has chimp DNA, as your Wiki article states. He is 100% chimp. He was able to aquire some interesting behaviors during his lifetime..yet we can teach dogs to sit, fetch and "do tricks"..as well as "potty-train" them, which is also amazing. Walking upright is easier to teach a chimp than a dog whose legs couldn't support it's weight for long enough to adopt a permanent stance..which is why you see dogs at dog shows walking on their hind legs for only short periods of time. The chimp was simply domesticated. I'm sure that if living with apes were more common in our society (and I'm glad it isn't, as many of these animals would surely attack us giving the opportunity) we would see more of these "Humanzees".


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    It's not that difficult for chimps to walk upright, as gottspieler said, and like humans individual chimps have individual quirks. One of his was a preference to walk upright more often than other chimps. Nor is it surprising that he attempted to mate with a human woman if he was never housed with receptive female chimps. A group of researchers studying orangutans had one of their cooks raped by a subadult orangutan - subadults are not preferred mates by females so he was probably hard up for a mate and getting desperate. This doesn't mean he was half human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paralith
    It's not that difficult for chimps to walk upright, as gottspieler said, and like humans individual chimps have individual quirks. One of his was a preference to walk upright more often than other chimps. Nor is it surprising that he attempted to mate with a human woman if he was never housed with receptive female chimps. A group of researchers studying orangutans had one of their cooks raped by a subadult orangutan - subadults are not preferred mates by females so he was probably hard up for a mate and getting desperate. This doesn't mean he was half human.
    Oh my God... he got raped by an Orangutan? Oooofff! That would send me to therapy land for at least a good year!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manynames
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    It's not that difficult for chimps to walk upright, as gottspieler said, and like humans individual chimps have individual quirks. One of his was a preference to walk upright more often than other chimps. Nor is it surprising that he attempted to mate with a human woman if he was never housed with receptive female chimps. A group of researchers studying orangutans had one of their cooks raped by a subadult orangutan - subadults are not preferred mates by females so he was probably hard up for a mate and getting desperate. This doesn't mean he was half human.
    Oh my God... he got raped by an Orangutan? Oooofff! That would send me to therapy land for at least a good year!
    It was a woman, and actually she and her husband seemed to care little about it afterwards - they said, it wasn't a human, so what does it matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paralith
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    Quote Originally Posted by paralith
    It's not that difficult for chimps to walk upright, as gottspieler said, and like humans individual chimps have individual quirks. One of his was a preference to walk upright more often than other chimps. Nor is it surprising that he attempted to mate with a human woman if he was never housed with receptive female chimps. A group of researchers studying orangutans had one of their cooks raped by a subadult orangutan - subadults are not preferred mates by females so he was probably hard up for a mate and getting desperate. This doesn't mean he was half human.
    Oh my God... he got raped by an Orangutan? Oooofff! That would send me to therapy land for at least a good year!
    It was a woman, and actually she and her husband seemed to care little about it afterwards - they said, it wasn't a human, so what does it matter?
    Maybe i'm just twisted that way, but if i saw that big orange thing trying to get fruity with me, it would simply send me off the rails. Atleast, i know i would feel overpowered, moreso i bet than i would with a fellow human being.

    But that's just me. Wierd, strange me.
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    My view is that, when an animal is raised by humans, it classifies humans as a subset of its own species thereafter. Dogs would think of people as simply funny looking dogs that walk on two legs. Cats would see humans as big, ugly cats. It is not surprising that they treat us as if we were their own species. Dogs lick us in food begging behaviour, and may try to mount us sexually. Cats rub their heads against us in cat food begging.

    The chimp in this case was simply treating humans as if they were funny looking chimps...
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic
    My view is that, when an animal is raised by humans, it classifies humans as a subset of its own species thereafter. Dogs would think of people as simply funny looking dogs that walk on two legs. Cats would see humans as big, ugly cats. It is not surprising that they treat us as if we were their own species. Dogs lick us in food begging behaviour, and may try to mount us sexually. Cats rub their heads against us in cat food begging.

    The chimp in this case was simply treating humans as if they were funny looking chimps...
    I agree for the most part, but from what I've read Oliver was brought into the company of humans when he was 2, which is the rough developmental equivalent of 5 or 6 years old for a human. That should be time enough for him to understand the difference between a chimp and a human; but due to their intelligence and basal similarity to a human to begin with, picking up human-esque habits when trapped in that environment isn't too tough.
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    he found humans attractive
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    If a chimp has the intelligence to raise a chimp it should have the intelligence also to raise a dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spuriousmonkey
    If a chimp has the intelligence to raise a chimp it should have the intelligence also to raise a dog.
    Actually, there's some history with great apes and pets.

    Tonda and T.K.

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