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  1. #1 Ant to Light? 
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    Hi there,
    i was sitting home the other day and i saw an ant, i grabbed the ant and put a little flashlight pointing directly at the ants head, after a couple of minutes and the ant hunched and made a ball, after a minute or two it started walking again. I repeated the proccess 3 more times, at the third time it didnt return to its normal stage. After an hour i started poking the ant and it finaly started walking agian. What do you suppose happened to this ant?


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    If I were an ant, I supposed being grabbed by a human would disturb me much more than being lit with a flashlight....


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    Well yea but i didnt hurt it when i grabbed it, i just wanted to know if it went to shock becouse it was twiching when i had the light directed at its head. It was sorta weird becouse it looked like the light was mind controling.
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    The ant was expressing its disapproval of your light pollution

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skKpivApW7E
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    lol yea, to bad ants arent able to talk. I bet that ant would have given me a lesson or two about light pollution. Good video by the way, very educative.
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    Was it an LED light by any chance?
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    Yes, it was a LED bulb why?
    Does it make a diffrence?
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    Your eyes can't see it but unlike incandescent the LED is flickering on/off real fast. Now I'm thinking that flicker may have synchronized with the ant's buzzy little nervous system and basically caused a seizure. The ant may have experienced the LED as you would experience powerful strobe light at 6 Hz.

    I guess it was very uncomfortable!

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    It was sorta weird becouse it looked like the light was mind controling.
    Interesting! I wonder if they'd march on command to the right "music"?

    I've noticed tent caterpillar colonies do this grotesque synchronous twitching - there is definitely some group-think or hive-brain going on, which I think could be "hacked" with the right frequency. Maybe ants communicate on similar channel, i.e. literally in step.
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    Experiencing powerful strobe light at 6 Hz, would you go into a seizure or go blind?

    or both?. . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Your eyes can't see it but unlike incandescent the LED is flickering on/off real fast.
    No, I don't think so. Not with a flashlight.
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    It was a Mini Led Flashlight 809-5, to be exact. Look it up on google images and its the only pic the pops up.
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    Harold's right. That would be direct current so no strobe.
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    So all i did was confuse it? or did i make it blind?

    poor little thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoKo1Wolf
    Experiencing powerful strobe light at 6 Hz, would you go into a seizure or go blind?

    or both?. . . . .
    If you strobe 6 Hz in video game or movie you have to give epilepsy warning. Everybody's different but certain frequencies antagonize most people.
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    I believe that it messed with its nervous system or just agitated it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Your eyes can't see it but unlike incandescent the LED is flickering on/off real fast. Now I'm thinking that flicker may have synchronized with the ant's buzzy little nervous system and basically caused a seizure. The ant may have experienced the LED as you would experience powerful strobe light at 6 Hz.

    I guess it was very uncomfortable!

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    It was sorta weird becouse it looked like the light was mind controling.
    Interesting! I wonder if they'd march on command to the right "music"?

    I've noticed tent caterpillar colonies do this grotesque synchronous twitching - there is definitely some group-think or hive-brain going on, which I think could be "hacked" with the right frequency. Maybe ants communicate on similar channel, i.e. literally in step.
    Interesting about the mind controlling theory.
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    I've half a light bulb to try a few things, on poor helpless ants.

    If we found ants' movements synchronous that would suggest their "thoughts" are too. They could have very direct visual communication by adjusting the frequency. Maybe nothing more specific then "everybody get excited" and "everybody relax". But it could be more who knows?
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    Well there are devices that use frequencies to repel certain animals, like mosquitoes.
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    Hmm.. some electronic hobbyist sites are giving schematics for building your own acoustic mosquito repeller. One page suggests the 45 - 67Hz frequency of (mosquito predator) dragonfly wings will scare mosquitoes. And then a scientific study proves commercial acoustic repellers "ineffective"... moreover:
    in 12 of the 15 experiments, the landing rates of mosquitoes on subjects was in fact higher than in control groups.
    which is effective.

    But we're interested in the effect of visible frequencies i.e. flickering & flapping.

    I suppose an animal possessing primitive eyes and rude image processing would do better attuned to frequency of movement. So an ant would recognize another ant not by form - which is complex and varied - but by characteristic rhythm of that ant's walk or perhaps even antenna twitches. Then it needn't really scan the form or account for distance or orientation.

    But then predators would become attuned as well. Then ants would camouflage by adapting different frequencies... let the games begin.

    My neighbour had a chicken we used to play catch with. We'd get a worm or beetle and cover Chicken's eyes. Toss the writhing morsel some meters away onto the garden dirt, and let Chicken loose. Now, what made this good sport, was the uncanny perception of that dumb bird in spotting live food. Chicken's eyes would flick a few directions and bang she'd be onto it. The bird's acuity in this way was so plainly superhuman we showed our parents and thought we might have some kind of star chicken on our hands.

    Does anyone besides me find a spider's scamper unnerving? One can even play it on a piano and it's unnerving. We just know it's a spider. Do spiders?
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    Maybe its just scared....
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