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  1. #1 Human Sexual Instincts and Innate Reproductive Strategies 
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    I found an interesting video that reveals the “dark side” of human reproductive strategies.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP-9sIsFVSY

    What is your opinion ?


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    I viewed the first three minutes and gave up out of boredom. There was nothing new. The choice of words with emotional connotations when neutral words could have been used was a cheap trick. The description of how people thought about things was slanted and inaccurate. At the end of it all I found myself asking of the slide shows producers, 'And your point?'
    True, they may have made their point at the end, but I just couldn't stand hanging in that long.

    Sorry, but you did ask for an opinion.


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    I won't even watch it. I know what kinds of things they'll say. I'm sure they just play up the whole "selfishness" aspect; men try to spread their seed as much as possible, women extra-pair copulate, etc.

    My bet is that they commit the natural fallacy, or come close to it. Just because a certain pattern is observed doesn't mean those engaging in the pattern are malicious and/or immoral.
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    I believe things exist happen in layers.

    Consciousness is a layer which exists above primitive impulses.

    Primitive impulses or urges are always there and of course this is most noticeable in sexual behaviors.

    Fortunately we have developed consciousness (or most of us have perhaps not all!) as to how we use and express this impulse.

    It is consciousness that prevents us from behaving like savages, as well as being capable of involving love in the expression of sex.

    Without love sex is just an act and has a tendency to becomes debased.

    With love in the equation it can become one of the most highest, sacred and ecstatic expressions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    I viewed the first three minutes and gave up out of boredom. There was nothing new.
    To start with, if you did not see the entire video you cannot tell if there is nothing new. And what is well known to a properly educated person can be totally new and surprising to an average YouTube watcher.

    The choice of words with emotional connotations when neutral words could have been used was a cheap trick.
    Use too much accurate scientific jargon and most people will not understand. Use too much plain language with its unavoidable indirect emotional baggage and a lot of accuracy and correct conceptualization will be lost. He produced a video aiming to be understood by the average YouTube user and it is difficult to find the right balance. Would you convey better these messages to the average YouTube user ?


    The description of how people thought about things was slanted and inaccurate.
    Where exactly ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paralith
    I won't even watch it. I know what kinds of things they'll say. I'm sure they just play up the whole "selfishness" aspect; men try to spread their seed as much as possible, women extra-pair copulate, etc.
    I concur that for a well educated person on biology and evolution, or more specifically, on evolutionary psychology and evolutionary biology there is nothing new.

    However, what I found new there is that he uses this knowledge to question our justice systems and also criticize both, the patriarchist and feminist ideologies.

    Did someone else did that ?


    My bet is that they commit the natural fallacy, or come close to it. Just because a certain pattern is observed doesn't mean those engaging in the pattern are malicious and/or immoral.
    On the contrary, the video repeatedly said that the concepts of “evil”, “cruelty”, etc are senseless to a non-conscious nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absum!
    I believe things exist happen in layers.

    Consciousness is a layer which exists above primitive impulses.

    Primitive impulses or urges are always there and of course this is most noticeable in sexual behaviors.

    Fortunately we have developed consciousness (or most of us have perhaps not all!) as to how we use and express this impulse.

    It is consciousness that prevents us from behaving like savages, as well as being capable of involving love in the expression of sex.
    You are incorrect in several points.

    First, having consciousness does not necessarily translate with having better moral standards or even average ones. By being consciously aware about yourself and the environment around you, you can use it to elevate your moral patterns but you also can use it to better deceive and harm others. Furthermore, deciding what moral values are better than others carries a lot of subjectivity.

    Secondly, your assumption that “savages” have no moral behavior at all is wrong. Most of social animals ( despite their lesser level of consciousness or perhaps absence of consciousness in some cases ) have an innate morality that is manifested in their moral behavior.

    Without love sex is just an act and has a tendency to becomes debased.

    With love in the equation it can become one of the most highest, sacred and ecstatic expressions.
    “Love” is a mechanism that aims to strengthen the emotional bonds of a couple so they will be willing to strongly collaborate on bringing-up their potential children.

    And there is not better way for achieving this than by certain brain neural circuitries rewarding this behavior and feelings with huge pleasures ( sublime orgasm and ecstasy ).

    However, usually, once the children reach a certain age ( and the instinctual objective was achieved ), “love” starts to fade away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_cristal
    To start with, if you did not see the entire video you cannot tell if there is nothing new. And what is well known to a properly educated person can be totally new and surprising to an average YouTube watcher.
    This is a fair comment. However, I don't think I would relate very well to the average YouTube watcher. (Keep in mind I would bring back the death penalty for fans of Big Brother. :wink: )
    Quote Originally Posted by blue_cristal
    Use too much accurate scientific jargon and most people will not understand. Use too much plain language with its unavoidable indirect emotional baggage and a lot of accuracy and correct conceptualization will be lost.
    Plain language does not need to come with any baggage, or more precisely it can come with appropriate baggage.
    Quote Originally Posted by blue_cristal
    He produced a video aiming to be understood by the average YouTube user and it is difficult to find the right balance. Would you convey better these messages to the average YouTube user ?
    Probably not, but I have no intention of creating such a video. I would hope that anything I do professionally is done to a higher standard than this was.

    Quote Originally Posted by blue_cristal
    The description of how people thought about things was slanted and inaccurate.
    Where exactly ?
    I shall look at it again this evening and give you specifics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_cristal
    Quote Originally Posted by Absum!
    I believe things exist happen in layers.

    Consciousness is a layer which exists above primitive impulses.

    Primitive impulses or urges are always there and of course this is most noticeable in sexual behaviors.

    Fortunately we have developed consciousness (or most of us have perhaps not all!) as to how we use and express this impulse.

    It is consciousness that prevents us from behaving like savages, as well as being capable of involving love in the expression of sex.
    You are incorrect in several points.

    First, having consciousness does not necessarily translate with having better moral standards or even average ones. By being consciously aware about yourself and the environment around you, you can use it to elevate your moral patterns but you also can use it to better deceive and harm others. Furthermore, deciding what moral values are better than others carries a lot of subjectivity.
    Consciousness enables choice, instead of simply just following primitive impulses.

    Quote Originally Posted by blue_cristal
    Secondly, your assumption that “savages” have no moral behavior at all is wrong. Most of social animals ( despite their lesser level of consciousness or perhaps absence of consciousness in some cases ) have an innate morality that is manifested in their moral behavior.
    What rubbish! What innate morality do animals have? They follow instinct and impulse with one aim - to survive.


    Quote Originally Posted by blue_cristal
    Without love sex is just an act and has a tendency to becomes debased.

    With love in the equation it can become one of the most highest, sacred and ecstatic expressions.
    “Love” is a mechanism that aims to strengthen the emotional bonds of a couple so they will be willing to strongly collaborate on bringing-up their potential children.

    And there is not better way for achieving this than by certain brain neural circuitries rewarding this behavior and feelings with huge pleasures ( sublime orgasm and ecstasy ).

    However, usually, once the children reach a certain age ( and the instinctual objective was achieved ), “love” starts to fade away.
    There are many couples who love one another with no intention of having children, so that's a fallacy for a start!

    And I know many older couples who have had children who still love one another deeply. So that's also rubbish!
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