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  1. #1 Genetic research is a necessary evil. 
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    What is your opinion of this statement?


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    Depends if you are religious. If you are then maybe, if not then there is nothing wrong with it.

    And that's only from the perspective of relion. There are maybe hundreds more.


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    Genetic manipulation maybe, research I don't see how it could be construed as evil.
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    Unless you can’t conduct your research without genetic manipulation.
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    1. Yes, it is necessary, if we want to continue advancing our knowledge of biology and not leave it at a stand still.

    2. No, it is not evil. Neither is genetic manipulation evil (and it is done all the time in genetic research - take a bacterial plasmid, cut it open, insert your gene of choice, stick that new plasmid in some cells, and see what happens).
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    I think we’re referring to genetic manipulation on a much larger scale than the world of bacteria.
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    Then you should say so. "Genetic manipulation" is a very broad term. And where would you draw the line? Mice vs bacteria? Lots and lots of bacteria vs just a few cells? Multiple labs across the world doing it vs just one?
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    To individual genes genetic research and manipulation are existential threats most dire.

    If "we" are something greater than our genes now, are any sacred?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    To individual genes genetic research and manipulation are existential threats most dire.
    That's only if an individual gene "prefers" to stay exactly the way it is, nucleotide by nucleotide. Which isn't true. Sometimes a change allows a gene to better persist and proliferate. Not that genes are capable of preferring or fearing anything.
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    If "we" are something greater than our genes now, are any sacred?
    Genes on their own can't create anything. We still need an egg cell, which provides chemical "domains" that help with differentiation AFAIK. I think you even need an egg cell that needs to closely, if not exactly, have to be of the same species.
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    I meant existential threat in (my usual) blatant sense, as +4 is an existential threat to 14, or a publishing editor is an existential threat to an author's perfect manuscript.

    See my meaning better in the question of sacredness. Want to tweak something? Overhaul it? How about wipe it out? Where does one draw the line? Should anything be saved "on principle"?

    I think the issue has to do with our attachment to identity. We like fixed identities. Many North Americans have one "banana" in mind: the cavendish. Farmers, grocers, and even governments may push superior varieties all they like but the public just refuses to accept any other "banana".

    Fishers of the Pacific Northwest are terrified that accidentally introduced Atlantic salmon might thrive and replace the depleted local Pacific salmon. Environmentalists feel such an event would be "just wrong". Why?
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    Genetic research is a necessary evil

    It isn't because there is no absolute need to do genetic research at all.

    You would just need to make a few sacrifices in society to compensate for the lack of it.
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