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  1. #1 A moral question..... 
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    If you knew that someone was dying,

    but they didn’t know,

    would you tell them the truth or deceive them about it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    If you knew that someone was dying,

    but they didn’t know,

    would you tell them the truth or deceive them about it?
    Selene

    This is an 'iffy' question.

    If you think they can be saved, with the proper treatment, then yes, you tell them.

    I would recommed a Natural practicioner like a Naturopathic doctor.
    These doctors use GODs medicines (natural substances) and perform miracles for recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo
    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    If you knew that someone was dying,

    but they didn’t know,

    would you tell them the truth or deceive them about it?
    Selene

    This is an 'iffy' question.

    If you think they can be saved, with the proper treatment, then yes, you tell them.

    I would recommed a Natural practicioner like a Naturopathic doctor.
    These doctors use GODs medicines (natural substances) and perform miracles for recovery.

    Cosmo
    Nah they can't be saved. It's beyond medical intervention.

    Everything is Gods medicine cosmo!

    Even man-made, after all didn't they say man was made in the image of God.

    Unless of course it's womens medicine.

    I wouldn't trust those heathen witches stirring their cauldrons, bats blood dragons claw and all that malarky.......
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    this is not even a hypothetical scenario : at one of my previous jobs someone had cancer (this was in the days before doctors felt the patient needed to know), and he just thought he wasn't feeling too well

    everyone else at the lab knew, but no-one, including myself, told him
    it just would have felt like you're kicking someone who's already down
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    this is not even a hypothetical scenario : at one of my previous jobs someone had cancer (this was in the days before doctors felt the patient needed to know), and he just thought he wasn't feeling too well

    everyone else at the lab knew, but no-one, including myself, told him
    it just would have felt like you're kicking someone who's already down
    I'm assuming you've left out the adjectives "terminal" and "inoperable" from your description of this man's cancer or some other sort of contextual evidence that shows that telling this man he had cancer would have prevented treatment from being worthwhile.
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    I think it depends on the person, especially that person's relationship with others. Not a tidy answer is it?

    Some people have put things off they would like to get done before they go.

    Some people will freak out or otherwise go bad at the news.



    I guess that looming over me personally would make me a lousy father. I'd be trying too hard, contriving.

    Yet now that I think of it, if my son were to die, I believe I'd tell him. A 6-year-old accepts these things at face value without any painful soul-dredging. All I want for him is power - not ignorant bliss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serpicojr
    I'm assuming you've left out the adjectives "terminal" and "inoperable" from your description of this man's cancer ....
    yes, but i'd taken that as a given in view of minxy's statement "they can't be saved. It's beyond medical intervention. "
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    I think it depends on the person, especially that person's relationship with others. Not a tidy answer is it?

    Some people have put things off they would like to get done before they go.

    Some people will freak out or otherwise go bad at the news.
    I agree. Some people would handle the news well and it might motivate them to put more effort into enjoying the time they have left. Or accomplishing other goals.

    Other people would find it a terrible burden, especially if the illness itself was benign right up until the end.

    Ultimately I would prefer that they know the truth, since I believe that everyone should be able to deal with the truth, whatever that may be. I'm just not idealistic enough to believe that that would truly benefit everyone equally
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    Well this is what I would do.......

    I would invite my friend over for a night of food drink and chat.

    As often these events slip into discussions of philosophy etc, i would steer the conversation into a particular direction so that I could throw in without raising suspicion a thought experiment just for the fun of it, like

    'If you had a serious terminal illness and you're family knew but you didn't, would you want them to tell you...'

    Their answer would enable me to decide the best course of action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene

    Nah they can't be saved. It's beyond medical intervention.

    Everything is Gods medicine cosmo!

    Even man-made, after all didn't they say man was made in the image of God.

    Unless of course it's womens medicine.

    I wouldn't trust those heathen witches stirring their cauldrons, bats blood dragons claw and all that malarky.......
    Where did you get such idea?

    GODs medicines are natural like vitamins, minerals, herbs, hormones and etc.

    business made medicines are drugs, chemo, radiation and surgery.

    The Journal of the American medical association says that drugs kill about 100,000 people a year with prescribed and directed use.
    Another 1-1/2 million are sent to hospitals for the side affects.

    It says 50% of the operations are not needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    If you knew that someone was dying,

    but they didn’t know,

    would you tell them the truth or deceive them about it?
    Do you mean would I smile and wave and not shout out, "Watch out for that bus!"
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    I'd want to know myself.

    A question though. If his doctor didn't want him to know about it why would he go and tell everyone else about it so everyone else knew about it except the person with the disease?
    "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt" - Bertrand Russell
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    Quote Originally Posted by BumFluff
    I'd want to know myself.

    A question though. If his doctor didn't want him to know about it why would he go and tell everyone else about it so everyone else knew about it except the person with the disease?
    If the doctor doesn’t know the patient well enough, maybe it’s best for him just to tell the patient’s family members instead. Then it’s up to the patient’s family members to decide whether to break the news to the patient. Some people can take bad news better than others; their family members are the best persons to judge whether it’s safe to tell them the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBennet
    Quote Originally Posted by BumFluff
    I'd want to know myself.

    A question though. If his doctor didn't want him to know about it why would he go and tell everyone else about it so everyone else knew about it except the person with the disease?
    If the doctor doesn’t know the patient well enough, maybe it’s best for him just to tell the patient’s family members instead. Then it’s up to the patient’s family members to decide whether to break the news to the patient. Some people can take bad news better than others; their family members are the best persons to judge whether it’s safe to tell them the truth.
    I hope the family will tell someone suffering from mental health problems also Ms Bennet

    Or at least get them the help they need.

    Here's hoping
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBennet
    Quote Originally Posted by BumFluff
    I'd want to know myself.

    A question though. If his doctor didn't want him to know about it why would he go and tell everyone else about it so everyone else knew about it except the person with the disease?
    If the doctor doesn’t know the patient well enough, maybe it’s best for him just to tell the patient’s family members instead. Then it’s up to the patient’s family members to decide whether to break the news to the patient. Some people can take bad news better than others; their family members are the best persons to judge whether it’s safe to tell them the truth.
    I hope the family will tell someone suffering from mental health problems also Ms Bennet

    Or at least get them the help they need.

    Here's hoping
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    I'd tell them they'd die, but that they'd be alright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBennet
    Quote Originally Posted by BumFluff
    I'd want to know myself.

    A question though. If his doctor didn't want him to know about it why would he go and tell everyone else about it so everyone else knew about it except the person with the disease?
    If the doctor doesn’t know the patient well enough, maybe it’s best for him just to tell the patient’s family members instead. Then it’s up to the patient’s family members to decide whether to break the news to the patient. Some people can take bad news better than others; their family members are the best persons to judge whether it’s safe to tell them the truth.
    I hope the family will tell someone suffering from mental health problems also Ms Bennet

    Or at least get them the help they need.

    Here's hoping
    Selene

    This is something I forgot to tell you.
    I believe in an after life (reincarnation).
    So when a person dies, it will only be his/hers physical being that dies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo
    Quote Originally Posted by Selene

    Nah they can't be saved. It's beyond medical intervention.

    Everything is Gods medicine cosmo!

    Even man-made, after all didn't they say man was made in the image of God.

    Unless of course it's womens medicine.

    I wouldn't trust those heathen witches stirring their cauldrons, bats blood dragons claw and all that malarky.......
    Where did you get such idea?

    GODs medicines are natural like vitamins, minerals, herbs, hormones and etc.

    business made medicines are drugs, chemo, radiation and surgery.

    The Journal of the American medical association says that drugs kill about 100,000 people a year with prescribed and directed use.
    Another 1-1/2 million are sent to hospitals for the side affects.

    It says 50% of the operations are not needed.

    Mike C
    Ah yeah thanks for that, I went looking for this GOD you mention, but couldn't find any corporations of that name, can you direct me? I've never had any faith in the pharmaceutical industry anyway, I mean, why would they want to produce drugs that work... where's the profit in curing the world's diseases when you can make hay with palliatives. No, you can keep your penicillin and all that modern nonsense, I'll stick to rubbing vitamin supplements on my abdomen and just hope that the appendicitis responds well. Failing that I'll chant.... I hear that its excellent for internal bleeding. Once again, thanks alot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highball
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmo
    Quote Originally Posted by Selene

    Nah they can't be saved. It's beyond medical intervention.

    Everything is Gods medicine cosmo!

    Even man-made, after all didn't they say man was made in the image of God.

    Unless of course it's womens medicine.

    I wouldn't trust those heathen witches stirring their cauldrons, bats blood dragons claw and all that malarky.......
    Where did you get such idea?

    GODs medicines are natural like vitamins, minerals, herbs, hormones and etc.

    business made medicines are drugs, chemo, radiation and surgery.

    The Journal of the American medical association says that drugs kill about 100,000 people a year with prescribed and directed use.
    Another 1-1/2 million are sent to hospitals for the side affects.

    It says 50% of the operations are not needed.

    Mike C
    Ah yeah thanks for that, I went looking for this GOD you mention, but couldn't find any corporations of that name, can you direct me? I've never had any faith in the pharmaceutical industry anyway, I mean, why would they want to produce drugs that work... where's the profit in curing the world's diseases when you can make hay with palliatives. No, you can keep your penicillin and all that modern nonsense, I'll stick to rubbing vitamin supplements on my abdomen and just hope that the appendicitis responds well. Failing that I'll chant.... I hear that its excellent for internal bleeding. Once again, thanks alot.
    The Gods I speak of are the Naturopathic doctors. Most are practicing in California USA.
    They use the Natural substances I call GODS medicines.

    I have learned a lot about healthcare.
    Are you taking aspirin? Aspirin and other similar drugs can cause internal bleeding.
    To counter that, take a lot of Vitamin C. About 3-4 grams daily.
    I take the 'chewable' type.

    This could possibly solve your problem.

    Cosmo
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    Well, my thinking is that, when it comes to un-curable diseases, you might as well think outside the box. I mean, what's to be afraid of? The patient dies?

    If I was dying of something, I'd want to go down fighting. Regardless of how futile or unlikely any cure was, I'd feel better taking that shot than just rolling over and waiting for the Reaper to come for me.

    As the to the OP: It depends on a lot of factors, of course, but in general I'd tell them as soon as I could so they could get their affairs in order, then help them any way I could in that process. Even a dying person can find some purpose in their remaining months if you give them an objective to try and achieve before that time.
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    I haven't read all the replies, so I apologize if I repeat someone's opinions.

    I had a long talk with my friends about death, and we all said if we would want to know when we're going to die. One said that she wouldn't want to know, few said yes and they would want to know the date too, and many said that they would like to know the year they die.

    This helped me with my decision. I would tell, because the people who wanted to know the date or the age they die, said that they would like to quit work and school, travell, be with family and friends and enjoy their live before it's too late.
    I would tell a dying person that he/she is dying, so that he/she could make the things he wanted to do in life. I would be pissed off if no-one told me, and I would waste my time in an awfull school and working hard in my job, while I should be saying goodbyes to my loved ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    If you knew that someone was dying,

    but they didn’t know,

    would you tell them the truth or deceive them about it?


    i'll probably tell to that person the truth so that I can give him/her a time to repent from all his/her sins and share to that person the gift of salvation from God...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cool_nikz
    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    If you knew that someone was dying,

    but they didn’t know,

    would you tell them the truth or deceive them about it?


    i'll probably tell to that person the truth so that I can give him/her a time to repent from all his/her sins and share to that person the gift of salvation from God...
    wtf??
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    "You're gonna die and by the way you're a sinner bound for hell." Nice adding insult to injury.
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    Well at least your time will come to an end eventually in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuka
    Quote Originally Posted by cool_nikz
    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    If you knew that someone was dying,

    but they didn’t know,

    would you tell them the truth or deceive them about it?


    i'll probably tell to that person the truth so that I can give him/her a time to repent from all his/her sins and share to that person the gift of salvation from God...
    wtf??
    hey, what kind of reaction is that?you're from israel, right?so how's your life there?^_^peace...^_^
    love will endure when you keep it pure...^_^
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