Thread: Woman in relation to hostile nations

Is there evidence supporting the premise that nations which are more hostile /deviant suppress their women.

Well, the US is pretty hostile, and we treat our women relatively well.

well if by deviant you mean, non-western, or perhaps at war currently, then you can look at the middle east.
and the arabic culture is generally that women are second class citizens.
i personally think arab culture is terrible, it promotes death of the non believers and is backward in its thinking.
this is my personal opinion and i hope it can be discussed

First you have to find a way to measure hostile, then you have to find a way of measuring the suppression of women. These concepts are too subjective, so the answer is NO.

Male control of female behavior is highly influenced by basic sexual selection. Unlike most males in the animal kingdom, a human male puts a lot of time and resources into his offspring. However, should his mate be unfaithful, and trick him into raising the offspring of another male, he wastes all that time and energy on his competitor's genes instead of his own.

It is in a male's interest, then, to control his mate's sexual behavior, so that this situation does not arise. This is why many traditional cultures involve strict rules for the behavior of women.

This behavior is by no means deviant from natural human behaviors. The problem is that many natural human behaviors evolved in a very different environment than that exists today. Human ancestors lived in small family groups, whose members cooperated well with each other, but probably competed relatively fiercely with other family groups for land and resources.

That is not how the world works today. Today vast groups of people are expected to live in cooperative harmony with each other - a state which is, quite arguably, better for us all. But the human mind did not evolve in this state. Many of the things that it did evolve for - fierce competition against outsiders, control of your mate's reproduction, etc - have difficulty adjusting to this new environment.

Thus hostility and the suppression of women may seem to be linked, but in my opinion, they are only linked because they are both human behaviors which were strongly selected on by the environment of the past. People who cling to one behavior are not unlikely to cling to the other.

Originally Posted by organic god

well if by deviant you mean, non-western, or perhaps at war currently, then you can look at the middle east.
and the arabic culture is generally that women are second class citizens.
i personally think arab culture is terrible, it promotes death of the non believers and is backward in its thinking.
this is my personal opinion and i hope it can be discussed

I will discuss with you, as long as you are sensible and keep an open mind. Men and women are on an equal level of importance in islamic (arab?) society. However they have completely different roles in society, which creates the appearance of inequality in terms of value.

In fact in Islamic society women are more highly revered than men, and it is beleived that the mother is the MOST sacred position in the earth. The mothers worth is 3x more than the father, for example.

It is a case of rights and responsibilities. Men have the responsibility to work, and provide for their family. Women have the right. So a woman can work if she chooses, a man MUST. Also, if the woman chooses not to work, she is entitled to a salary or income from the husband which she is free to spend however she chooses.

There are many more things but i wont go into them.

I feel that in western society the role of woman and man has been merged into one, but i think this is flawed in that though they have equal roles, women are still ultimately considered less than men. Glass ceilings and other such concepts prove this.

I prefer the arab way as there are clear genetical differences between men and women, and to me it seems obvious we are designed for different roles in society. What I dont agree on though is the lack of choice given in many arab countries about how a family wants to operate. It should be a decision made on a personal / family level, not a decision made for you by the state.

Originally Posted by organic god

well if by deviant you mean, non-western, or perhaps at war currently, then you can look at the middle east.
and the arabic culture is generally that women are second class citizens.
i personally think arab culture is terrible, it promotes death of the non believers and is backward in its thinking.
this is my personal opinion and i hope it can be discussed

not all arab cultures are like that only a few that make the rest look bad like the shiite. and example of a good one is the sunni

Ah ok, just from what i've read it doesn't seem fair. but i am willing to be educated on the issue.

genetical differences between men and women, and to me it seems obvious we are designed for different roles in society.

i don't agree with this, in my opinion your genes shouldn't determine what you should do in society, people should have the free will to pursue any life they wish. a woman has genes that suit her to having children, does that mean she should just be a child factory?