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  1. #1 Have I got this right? 
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    IS THIS CORRECT?

    Everything we think, do or say is determined by our ideological system. There is no such thing as an “outside knowledge,” “abstract Truths,” or even “inherent” or “endowed” rights. Even science is belief. It is a system by which natural cause and effect is used to continually increase the accuracy of what we believe.

    That is not to say we are otherwise unmotivated. We all have a common, evolution-derived repertoire of social instincts which a people's ideological system shapes itself to and which causes it to condition those instincts in ways that have enabled the human species to thrive.


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    I wouldn't say that science is a belief, cause it constantliy changes durring time as we gain more knowlege and there is no divine one in science, A belief usually has a divine one or multiple and it stays the same through out times, but if you mean science is a belief because that's what looks most reasonble to my eyes then, yeah.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pikkhaud
    I wouldn't say that science is a belief, cause it constantliy changes durring time as we gain more knowlege and there is no divine one in science, A belief usually has a divine one or multiple and it stays the same through out times, but if you mean science is a belief because that's what looks most reasonble to my eyes then, yeah.
    Anthropologically speaking, science is just one viewpoint of many which a person could use to understand the world around them. It may be the view that is closest to reality, but humans are most certainly capable of choosing to understand the world in a different framework. Religion is one kind of framework. Different cultures might view the world in a scientific fashion, but just be incorrect in accords to reality. This doesn't require that they have what they think of as a supernatural being.

    In any case, I think I kind of agree with Charles, with the caveat that there are some biological biases of perception and belief that effect all humans in a relatively equal way. Still, that's only particular to our own species, and isn't inherent to all things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pikkhaud
    I wouldn't say that science is a belief, cause it constantliy changes durring time as we gain more knowlege and there is no divine one in science, A belief usually has a divine one or multiple and it stays the same through out times, but if you mean science is a belief because that's what looks most reasonble to my eyes then, yeah.
    Do you believe science is very good at explaining the world around us? Do you believe science helps us understand the world? Do you believe in science to solve problems of all kinds of variety? Science is a belief, and you can't try and separate that from religion because I know it is that is what you are trying to do by saying you don't believe in science. If you don't believe in science, why join a science forum? Not for intelligent discussion, now thats a belief and a rareity in itself.
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    I wouldn't necessarily be so quick to call science a belief. If i mix a with b, c happens. My personal belief that c is going to happen is irrelevant. C happens whether i like it or not. If my belief was otherwise, we could test it and prove me wrong...
    "First we build the tools, then they build us" - Marshall McLuhan.
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    ... I'd say some aspects of science are belief. but in other cases, it's not really subject to interpretation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Quote Originally Posted by Pikkhaud
    I wouldn't say that science is a belief, cause it constantliy changes durring time as we gain more knowlege and there is no divine one in science, A belief usually has a divine one or multiple and it stays the same through out times, but if you mean science is a belief because that's what looks most reasonble to my eyes then, yeah.
    Do you believe science is very good at explaining the world around us? Do you believe science helps us understand the world? Do you believe in science to solve problems of all kinds of variety? Science is a belief, and you can't try and separate that from religion because I know it is that is what you are trying to do by saying you don't believe in science. If you don't believe in science, why join a science forum? Not for intelligent discussion, now thats a belief and a rareity in itself.
    If it hadn't been for science The earth would probably stil be in the center of the universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pikkhaud
    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Quote Originally Posted by Pikkhaud
    I wouldn't say that science is a belief, cause it constantliy changes durring time as we gain more knowlege and there is no divine one in science, A belief usually has a divine one or multiple and it stays the same through out times, but if you mean science is a belief because that's what looks most reasonble to my eyes then, yeah.
    Do you believe science is very good at explaining the world around us? Do you believe science helps us understand the world? Do you believe in science to solve problems of all kinds of variety? Science is a belief, and you can't try and separate that from religion because I know it is that is what you are trying to do by saying you don't believe in science. If you don't believe in science, why join a science forum? Not for intelligent discussion, now thats a belief and a rareity in itself.
    If it hadn't been for science The earth would probably stil be in the center of the universe.
    So yes you do believe in science.
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    If I say yes, I guess you will say somthing like "then science is a belief" well, I don't think you can call somthing proven a belief anyway, but if you think that, that is a thing to conclude that science is a belief, you uphold science as a belief as well.

    and no science isen't a belief.
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    when i say that i believe in science that is because it has a proven track record of being useful, which is not the same believing as the belief in god - one is founded on experience, the other is acceptance without proof

    another logical fallacy : using the same word for 2 different concepts and pretending that this makes the concepts the same
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Post # 1o and finally someone makes an effort to define terminology. Congratulations to Marnix and a seasonal 'Bah!Humbug.' to each of the rest of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Post # 1o and finally someone makes an effort to define terminology. Congratulations to Marnix and a seasonal 'Bah!Humbug.' to each of the rest of you.
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