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  1. #1 Is Suicide Wrong? 
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    I already have my own personal opinion on the matter but I was wondering what others might think.


    If and when someone takes their own life do you consider such an act to be immoral?


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    I don't. In my book it would only count as immoral, if the person is able to fully understand the consequences of his actions. Someone that is capable of suicide is not in a normal, stable and rational state of mind. Such an act, though, can be utterly devastating to the people close to that person.


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    Moral questions without context have no value. As Churchill wrote: "There is nothing more empty than an untried virtue.

    "I'm going to be tortured then killed, so I'll take this poison pill so I don't give away the hiding place of my family"

    "Private Smith received the Military Cross fror jumping on the grenade and saving his comrades"

    "Uncle Joe overdosed on morphine so his widow wife wouldn't lose the house and spend their last savings on his medical treatment"

    "Bob shot himself in the head to save the turmoil his family would go though if he was revealed as a serial pedophile"

    There's a thousand scenarios all with their own pros and cons whether or not suicide was immoral. The unknown personal turmoils of the guy who blows his brains out probably has little to do with any moral choice but one of mental instability, paranoia, depression, etc.
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    I go with informed consent - as long as we can be certain of that, and it was an act a person performed upon himself or herself, there can be no moral judgment of the act as suicide.

    If the purpose of the act, as jellyologist points out, were something besides surcease, then that telos could be considered virtuous or otherwise.
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    Everyone bears the responsibility for his/her life him/herself.
    Nobody else but the person itself has the right to prolong or to cease his own life (as long as the person is still/yet possible to decide whether to live or to die, or if not, possibly later will be).
    It is the right of every human to live, and it is the right of every human to be dead.
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    I don't consider suicide to be immoral, but it is very destructive to the lives that it affects. If by chance you are considering suicide, please talk with someone you are comfortable with, about your feelings, first. There is a good chance that that person will have some understanding of what you are going through.
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    Personally, I've dealt with several suicides very near to me. I've found that questioning the morality of it seems absurd when it does happen (isn't it more important that you've lost a friend, than whether suicide is wrong?).

    Nevertheless, if someone wants to vacation out of the country, who am I to impose? So why pass judgement on a man who chooses to take a more extended kind of holiday?

    That's not to say I wouldn't try to discuss it, had I known the person was suicidal. But if someone has made that choice, it was that person's choice to make.

    If there is life after death, then they're in a better place (the concept of hell doesn't reconcile with my concept of "good", so I don't see why some being of pure good would have need for one). If there is no afterlife, then they are nothingness. Blankness. In either scenario, that person is no longer in pain.

    I do think that's more important than whether you will get to see that person again.
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    I'd never contemplate suicide. Why (deja vu there) would you want to end a life that took so long to establish. Why knock down the incredible tower of dominos. FOR FUN!!! . Seriously though this cannot compare to suicide. It is not paradoxical, stupid daft, but I can understand some peoples point of view but could NEVER respect anyone for killing themselves, how bloody selfish can you be? What about family and friends that will feel an intense amount of pain for the rest of their lives? Suicide is so painful for those who have had a close one do such. It is the most selfish thing one can ever do.
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    No it's not wrong in my opinion. A persons life is their own, they can do with it what they wish, however much pain that may cause others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    No it's not wrong in my opinion. A persons life is their own, they can do with it what they wish, however much pain that may cause others.
    That is the most selfish thing I've ever heard. You can't be truly English if you think that .
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    Well i'm not truly English, i was born in Australia.

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    A persons life is their own property. We are all going to die, and at that point the people that knew and loved that person will still feel pain. It is selfish for the people around the person with the mental torment to expect them to prolong their suffering just so they don't feel some pain. If your pet is in mental or physical pain, you would have them put down to lessen their pain, you wouldn't keep them alive simply to temporarily avoid facing your own pain.
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    A persons life is their own property. We are all going to die, and at that point the people that knew and loved that person will still feel pain. It is selfish for the people around the person with the mental torment to expect them to prolong their suffering just so they don't feel some pain. If your pet is in mental or physical pain, you would have them put down to lessen their pain, you wouldn't keep them alive simply to temporarily avoid facing your own pain.[/quote]

    You don't let them commit suicide to save your own feelings, that selfish. But they taking their lives is selfish. The person who is contemplating doing so should be talked to and reasoned with, shown love and commitment. Understanding, not to actually stop them for commiting suicide-thats their own choice but still actually doing so is selfish. Im being grey here you'll have to come half way to understand me.
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    A very good friend of mine committed suicide a few years ago, as far as i know i was his only friend. He couldn't handle life, he couldn't talk to people and his family were a bunch of c u next tuesday's. His pain was so great that he felt the need to end his life. My pain made me cry a few times in the weeks after his death and have a horrible sense of emptiness for a good while afterwards.

    He did the right thing IMO. All the pain i felt in the weeks after his death, he must have felt everyday. I'm sorry but their is no gray area for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    A very good friend of mine committed suicide a few years ago, as far as i know i was his only friend. He couldn't handle life, he couldn't talk to people and his family were a bunch of c u next tuesday's. His pain was so great that he felt the need to end his life. My pain made me cry a few times in the weeks after his death and have a horrible sense of emptiness for a good while afterwards.

    He did the right thing IMO. All the pain i felt in the weeks after his death, he must have felt everyday. I'm sorry but their is no gray area for me.
    My best friend did the same 2 years ago, you never get over it, and I understand why he did it. I tried to help him where no one else did, but it wasn't enough. But if he's free of suffering, I'm happy for him, even if it was selfish, which I don't feel is the right word to use in this situation.
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    So do you feel he did the right thing ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    So do you feel he did the right thing ?
    No, he could have fought his pain. But it wouldn't have happened if it wasn't supposed to happen.
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    I remember introducing a thread about the rules of suicide changing. There seems to be an alarming amount victims turning to homicide before committing suicide. The term 'going postal' is nothing to laugh about. From disgruntled employees to misguided students to sectarian bombers there is no discounting that there seems to be an inordinate amount of people dying during acts of suicide. I can't back that up with numbers and perhaps I have been influenced by what I see and hear on the news everyday but I would be interested in knowing what the per capita death rate is for each suicide. It has to be more than one
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    Then it appears to me that there are two reasons for people committing suicide. They either hate themselves or they hate the world and everybody on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Then it appears to me that there are two reasons for people committing suicide. They ether hate themselves or they hate the world and everybody on it.
    Or both.
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    I think the most obvious reason to commit suicide is that they want to punish someone, put a huge rock on someones conscience maby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    You don't let them commit suicide to save your own feelings, that selfish. But they taking their lives is selfish.
    Person A and Person B are very close friends in real life. Person A decides that he cannot reconcile with his life in Pakistan. He's not happy, he has no money, and his plumbing is crap. He decides to move to Saudi Arabia, where he believes the weather is much nicer.

    As Cat1981 stated, a person's life is his own property. Calling someone selfish for committing suicide, is no different than calling someone selfish because he decided to move from one job to what - from his perspective - is a better job.

    He believes that it is the better deal for himself -- and for everyone around him. Would you prefer to see your friend homeless, starving on the side of the road, or not see him again, but know he's in a better country, earning money?

    Would you prefer your friend to live his life in constant emotional, mental and/or physical pain, or know that - though you will never see him again - his pain has ended?

    If you chose the former, then you are the selfish one. If you can understand the perspective of the latter, then you'll understand how that act is not selfish.
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    Perhaps. I understood the pain that my best friend went through and was there for him but it was not enough. I am glad his pain was over but still it hurt me and many others. If my life were the same I should not wish to commit suicide as I do not wish to hurt the feelings of my friends and family or cause them pain.
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    what a nobel soul just like the child of god, no wait he has been her.

    well so you'd rather live 20 years of pain and missery than to have your friends cry over you for 5, well they're gonne cry sometime or are you gone be the last to die too.
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    Interesting Subject.

    My feelings?

    I personally think Suicide is Immoral. Immoral as in "no one should ever do it.". Now before I go and get bashed for what I believe, maybe I should expand on this.

    1. I'm a mother, and being a mother I realize a lot more than I did before. For instance, is it really YOUR place to decide if YOU deserve to live. Times are rough, yea and...? My mother spent nine horrible months bringing me into this world, she then pushed me out. Which is a miracle itself. She went through pain just so I could live. Do I really have the right to take away all that she worked for? Do I deserve to make her miserable for the life I am leading that puts me in this state of mind?

    Even if you dont love your mother or guardian, is it REALLY your place to decide if you should be allowed to take your own life. I suppose if you lived a life of wreckless abandon. Sure.

    But if you really care about anyone, or anything. You would know not to commit suicide. Chances are if you have friends or family, they will suffer. Cry, miss you..etc. I'm not saying "you" as in you personally. But I think you get the idea. I personally would never do it. I realize that yes, times get tough. Life is hard. But you gotta pull up your "big boy pants" and move on. Suicide is immoral.
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    Well I think that your life is your own, And you should decide where to go to school where to work where, when and to whom to marry, and where to be buried, It is your life and no one should control you, There for I conclude that you can decide to take your own life if that is the case.
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