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  1. #1 How did Consciousness first occur? 
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    When our ape brethren so very long ago first became concious to the fact that they were alive, and perhaps throwing feces, what was that probably like? At what point did we realize what we were and start to think in a rational and logical manner?


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    from the day we had life


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    Quote Originally Posted by crichton01
    from the day we had life
    If i wanted a forrest gump answer I would have asked him! :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony John C
    At what point did we realize what we were and start to think in a rational and logical manner?
    Thinking in a rational and logical manner is not necessarily the same as being conscious. Since the great apes exhibit many of the characteristics of conscious beings it seems reasonable to assume that humans have always been conscious.
    However, for an alternate view, which places the origin of consciousness within historical times you should read the utterly fascinating The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-cameral Mind , by Julian Jayne. He presents a stunningly original concept in an eminently readable and convincing fashion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony John C
    When our ape brethren so very long ago first became concious to the fact that they were alive, and perhaps throwing feces, what was that probably like? At what point did we realize what we were and start to think in a rational and logical manner?
    As Ophiolite said, thinking rationally and logically isn't necessarily the same as consciousness. From my experience in other debates about the origin of consciousness, it always becomes a question of what consciousness really is, and the conclusion is usually that we don't know, or at the very least, can't agree on a definition. And until consciousness is clearly defined, figuring out when it began will be pretty difficult.
    Man can will nothing unless he has first understood that he must count on no one but himself; that he is alone, abandoned on earth in the midst of his infinite responsibilities, without help, with no other aim than the one he sets himself, with no other destiny than the one he forges for himself on this earth.
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    Hmm yes I would imagine a definition would help. Thanks Ophiolite for the book title, I will take a look at it!
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