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    Ice; For starters, I am an old guy. Most of my life has been running one small business or another and my education was lined toward US and World History. No, I have not been to a true third world country. I have been in Mexico many times, before any improvements existed, to Newfoundland, when still English and near third world status and in the 60's, ran a plush White NE Texas Restaurant, known as Brookhaven. I personally set up a deal with a 'Black College' activist group to hire kitchen workers that were from Kenya and other countries in that area, who were trade students, against the owners wishes. Eventually we did have Black Waitresses and to the surprise of every one, but me, the system worked quite well. We did pay above minimum wage, benefited from every gathering of those 'Black Activist' and over a few years I learned more from that experience than any other in my life.

    Those children, in China (especially) and most third world countries even today, if girls, are not going to attend any school. For the most part, they will be pregnant at 12-13, if lucky will marry the father of the child and live out their expected 35-40 years, the average African TODAY. Those jobs are a status symbol and they do make more than most in traditional area jobs, if available at all. The idea they are some how forced to work by the proverbial, overweight, balled American tycoon is just not true. In fact in China, many of those child workers in Wal-Mart factories, have moved on to run there stores or work in them. Some will become quite wealthy, the process Walton started in Arkansas when jobs there were and in some areas, still hard to find.

    Ask any truck driver, farm hand or person from those third world country, if working 10 hours a day 6 day a week or years round would be OK with them. The truck driver would be happy to reduce his/her hours, as would the farm hand or any piece worker or contract laborer, if the wages were the same. Those in the third world, if working also work longer hours, but if not would gladly accept such short hours, for a real job...
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    Thanks that was quite interesting, it makes it easier to place your opinion in context, although I will agree to disgree with most of your views I nonetheless value the different perspective you bring.
    cheers :wink:
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    Jackson

    You say that the 3rd world people appreciate the introduction of capitalism in their countries?
    Well, they have excess populations that have nothing to do. So then they appreciate the industries like mining in Africa that kill large numbers with the accidents that result in those dangerous mines.

    Naturally, the ones exploiting those workers disregard all safelty measures to a greater extent than they do here in the US.
    Also, those workers get cheap wages while the capitalists that exploit these resources bribe the dictators with benefits that make some billionaires while the general population gains very little as far as their livelyhood is concerned.

    Those child factories that 'Ice' spoke about above is true.
    These children just get nothing but 'subsistence' wages that provides nothing more. So do not tell me that they appreciate their work schedules that just provide them to exist.

    Anyway, our current state of the economy is the result of capitalistic greed with their NWO and their yo yo marketing that exploits the ignorant.

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    Probably more deaths occurred in US underground mining, than any one country, other than China. Deaths from the actual mine accidents to those that follow from 'activity' induced illness/death. Unfortunately technology runs behind safety and always has. The best example the Atomic Bomb Test, which thousands of people openly watched these test and later died from those effects....As for So. Africa; Under British rule, where Nickle, Diamonds and other commodities were developed, had reasonable low rates of accidents.

    Yes, I feel and there are references to people working for American concerns around the world, are admired by their peers. And yes, most ALL third world Nations, today or at any time in history, have had very high unemployment rates, even if based on estimations. Exploitation, infers forced, which is not the case and IMO those jobs are desired by people from all places they exist. To some extent this is seen in the US, when thousands apply for a few job, and what should be seen as menial labor.

    What I think you and many visualize, is a Hollywood version of a 'sweat shop', maybe as means for workers to pay off their cost to enter THIS country illegally or some other made up obligation. Makes for a good movie, but in reallity not the norm...

    If you want to argue, in generally people take jobs below their capabilities, I might agree. Many times in hiring a person, perceived 'over qualified', I found later the job fit their life/family obligation, more so than a desire to make more dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackson
    What I think you and many visualize, is a Hollywood version of a 'sweat shop', maybe as means for workers to pay off their cost to enter THIS country illegally or some other made up obligation. Makes for a good movie, but in reallity not the norm.
    The item mentioned above did not come from Hollywood.
    It came from a 'news' item I read on the internet that involved chilldren factories in south asia.

    I am inclined to believe that then your version of its origin.

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