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  1. #1 WHO WANTS AN OPEN MIND? 
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    I DON'T . . . I would rather have a mind that is clear and unfilled with conflicting opinions and theories, one that is self-consistent and well thought out! I want a mind that is able to see situations with such clearity that I can take a stand on principle instead of arguing up and down on both sides of issues. With that type of mind, young men would not be wandering the world looking for some dumb guru who can tell them "the meaning of life."

    In other words, I see benefit in a closed mind, a closed system of thinking. All that means is that it is self-consistent and well thought out; but of course, one based upon modern science.

    That way, one can take in information and, if it contradicts one's world-view, to reject it, not just pile it into the brain to further confuse it. An “open mind” is like a failed water system that can no longer filter out the muck.

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    Interesting.

    I was recently reading a book about being happy. It's good and basically tells you the thing upsetting us and causing the most anger, etc. is preconcieved notions of how the world works. When you remove those ideas you will be happier.

    Also it mentions ignorance being better than having knowledge, because ignorant of things you'll never have you kinda find peace. I concur... I know Japan exists, am jealous, but can't go there to live


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    but if you aren't curious and don't learn, how can you have any pride in yourself? Also, you make mistakes when you are ignorant. To me, happiness comes from having an important goal in life and a good wife.

    It is not something you get by striving for it but comes as a reward for making your life useful and important.

    When I was real young, I used to read a lot of self-help books. They did not help at all. They just kept me preccupied with myself. It is important in life to build up a memory of things you have done that you can be proud of. The bigger the list, the better you will feel.

    When I was a teenager, I was on a hike in the forest and came across a heard of long horn cattle. As I approached, three bulls separated from the herd and trotted towards me! I stood my ground and they stopped thirty feet in front of me. I did have to walk all the way around the herd, but I can always look back and know what courage I am able to muster!
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    Having an open mind is one thing, just don’t keep it so open your brains fall out.
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    The truth as I see it is no one actually has an open mind. As fo rone truth each person has their own truths that they live by and way they choose to see the world be it with little interaction or constant interaction. Some people feel improtant by having conflict and either playing the perpetrator or the victim. Regardless of having open minds, people normally interact with people of a similar mind or that agree with them on what they view as important. In this age it seems to be appropriate to play the part of a victim a fear of responsibility.
    Everything is a theory no one actually KNOWS anything, like medecine it is just practicing.
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    The truth as I see it is no one actually has an open mind. As fo rone truth each person has their own truths that they live by and way they choose to see the world be it with little interaction or constant interaction. Some people feel improtant by having conflict and either playing the perpetrator or the victim. Regardless of having open minds, people normally interact with people of a similar mind or that agree with them on what they view as important. In this age it seems to be appropriate to play the part of a victim a fear of responsibility. For a more direct response to your post. I a person doesn't have any internal conflict, I believe that that would negate the fact that by having conflict internally it causes people to grow mentally and emotionally. If notthing is challenged that it would inhibit the learning process. We would be left with basing our lives on unhealthy goals like buying some new device we don't need or some other rediculios thing that doesn't really matter.
    Everything is a theory no one actually KNOWS anything, like medecine it is just practicing.
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    well i try to keep an open mind, leading to me being very gullible, and easily fooled.
    i mostly keep my mind open so that i can gather ideas, and crush them into a shape i like.

    open-mindedness is simply to aknowledge that what you already know could be wrong. and that things you hear about, and seems implausible based on previous experience, could be right.

    i acknowledge that implausible things could be true, but i usually await evidence before my final verdict of its truthfullness.

    for example, if someone told me i'd won 1 million, i'd blow it off as nonsense, but checked my bank account anyways.
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    I suppose there could be different ideas of what an open mind entails. To me, being open minded has absolutely nothing to do with being confused. To have an open mind doesn't mean to have no clear opinion. Having an open mind means to allow yourself to listen to alternative, even opposing, points of view and then weigh them against your own. It may well be something you haven't heard before, and it may well include evidence that has not been available before. To have an open mind means to be willing and able to take in such new evidence, and if necessary, re-evaluate your opinion based on new facts. This is the way intelligent human beings learn and evolve. It's also very closely related to the way science works, which is probably why good scientists are open-minded by "nature".

    Being closed-minded on the other hand means to reject any idea that does not fit into your tightly knit personal world view. Anything in opposition is discarded by default, usually without any consideration, without any intelligent reflection, and often without even hearing it out. Some people see a certain comfort in that. It's easy to do, it doesn't require thinking, and you can live your life self-satisfied, pretending you know everything and are right about everything. These people think that changing their minds would be a sign of weakness. Hence, they wouldn't do it even when they're proven wrong! Little do they know that their real weakness is ignorance.

    We all are born ignorant, and require an open mind to learn. The dumbest thing you can do to your mind is to keep it locked up.
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    Excellent post M. You saved me the trouble of trying to say the same things, with more words and less clarity.
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    ever tried having a conversation at youtube?
    it teaches you to close your mind to unneccesary drivel.
    when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitsune0667
    . I a person doesn't have any internal conflict, I believe that that would negate the fact that by having conflict internally it causes people to grow mentally and emotionally. If notthing is challenged that it would inhibit the learning process. We would be left with basing our lives on unhealthy goals like buying some new device we don't need or some other rediculios thing that doesn't really matter.
    You make a good point, but is it really necessary to be loaded with conflicting theories and philosophies in order to grow mentally and emotionally? And is it necessary involve unhealthy goals?

    Examples might help. Lets look at a 13th century European brickmason. He is Christian and he sees the whole world clearly thru the eyes of the Church. What he has learned from them is clear and self-consistent because he does not see the inconsient details in the Scriptures. He has a closed mind. His goals are good. He supports his family and in his spare time, he is helping build a grand cathederal in the center of his town. He volunteers his labor and works with hundreds like him with enthusiasm. He sees himself, his community, his kingdom and all of Christendom as his and he is proud.

    We look back now and say "but he was deceived. What was simple and clear to him was not 'the Truth!'"

    But there is no such thing! What is important is that his world-view and way of thinking be ADVANCED, that is, that it be more accurate than what people had previously believed. In that, then, he was advanced in his thinking because Christian doctrine was more advanced than the polythisms of the early age from which Christianity developed.

    We could develop a new world-view which would also accomplish what Christianity did many centuries ago---that is, build a new civilization . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by M
    Being closed-minded on the other hand means to reject any idea that does not fit into your tightly knit personal world view. Anything in opposition is discarded by default, usually without any consideration, without any intelligent reflection, and often without even hearing it out. Some people see a certain comfort in that. It's easy to do, it doesn't require thinking, and you can live your life self-satisfied, pretending you know everything and are right about everything. These people think that changing their minds would be a sign of weakness. Hence, they wouldn't do it even when they're proven wrong! Little do they know that their real weakness is ignorance.

    We all are born ignorant, and require an open mind to learn. The dumbest thing you can do to your mind is to keep it locked up.
    What you say seems idealistic. In reality, in the open mind, there are piles of information on both sides of all controversial issues. This is desired in our splintered ideological system because it enables the individual to take any position which will be to his advantage and do so in a way that enables him to take pride in his ability to do it. This, in part, explains the down trend in personal integrity so evident in our times. The individual does not take a stand on principle.

    Of course, we really have to deal with two types of people. There are the average people who want a clear, self-consistent whole world view that is advanced (as Christianty was eight to twenty centuries ago) and go about his life without having to always be trying to alter or question it. Then, also there is the intellectual who is always looking for new information. He is observant and over the centuries, it is he and ones like him who very gradually evolve the whole belief system to try to keep it accurate.

    What a closed system of thinking is is rather a COMPLETE system of thinking, one that is self-consistent. A Marxist Party member has a Marxist world-view that is both a complete and a closed system of thinking. There are major flaws in the world-view, but it is still so closed that you cannot argue with them and break through. The systems flaws rationalize each other. The same thing with our Christian-secular belief system. Its doctrines rationalize each other. That makes them all such belief systems separate paradigms.
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    Charles: you seem to be making an argument for open-mindedness, then turning around and saying you want nothing of it.

    I understand exactly what you are describing with the case of the christian who clings to his/her beliefs, which then allow them to focus on more productive things (building a family, building a cathedral, ect)

    Also your description of an intillectual fits; those who question the popular beliefs often forge (slowly) ahead in bulding a more sensible future. This path can be lonely, though, and filled with inner turmoil and struggle.

    So really, we are asking ourselves what kind of impact we want to have. Do we want to build that foundation, which allows us to do plenty of good here and now with undistracted minds, or do we want to fish out new ideologies and world views wich may (or may not) catch on, despite our most dedicated efforts.

    Really it's all a gamble, but having an open mind doesn't mean you have to give equal weight to any old theory, just that you have the ability to entertain the possibilities before accepting or refuting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    I DON'T . . . I would rather have a mind that is clear and unfilled with conflicting opinions and theories, one that is self-consistent and well thought out! I want a mind that is able to see situations with such clearity that I can take a stand on principle instead of arguing up and down on both sides of issues. With that type of mind, young men would not be wandering the world looking for some dumb guru who can tell them "the meaning of life."

    In other words, I see benefit in a closed mind, a closed system of thinking. All that means is that it is self-consistent and well thought out; but of course, one based upon modern science.

    That way, one can take in information and, if it contradicts one's world-view, to reject it, not just pile it into the brain to further confuse it. An “open mind” is like a failed water system that can no longer filter out the muck.

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    That little presentation is terribly flawed! Closed minds would allow for NO advancement of ANY kind. It's far, far better to have a mind that is both open to new ideas AND has the ability to discern what is valid from what is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scpg02
    Having an open mind is one thing, just don’t keep it so open your brains fall out.
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    I've had an open mind for quite some time now. Bloody brain surgeon's cheque bounced mid-surgery. :?
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    I DON'T . . . I would rather have a mind that is clear and unfilled with conflicting opinions and theories, one that is self-consistent and well thought out! I want a mind that is able to see situations with such clearity that I can take a stand on principle instead of arguing up and down on both sides of issues. With that type of mind, young men would not be wandering the world looking for some dumb guru who can tell them "the meaning of life."

    In other words, I see benefit in a closed mind, a closed system of thinking. All that means is that it is self-consistent and well thought out; but of course, one based upon modern science.

    That way, one can take in information and, if it contradicts one's world-view, to reject it, not just pile it into the brain to further confuse it. An “open mind” is like a failed water system that can no longer filter out the muck.

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    You can keep an open mind and still be able to have your opinions and take a stand on issues. Having an open mind does not necessarily mean that you are indecisive or that you need some "guru" to tell you the meaning of life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charles brough
    I DON'T . . . I would rather have a mind that is clear and unfilled with conflicting opinions and theories, one that is self-consistent and well thought out! I want a mind that is able to see situations with such clearity that I can take a stand on principle instead of arguing up and down on both sides of issues. With that type of mind, young men would not be wandering the world looking for some dumb guru who can tell them "the meaning of life."

    In other words, I see benefit in a closed mind, a closed system of thinking. All that means is that it is self-consistent and well thought out; but of course, one based upon modern science.

    That way, one can take in information and, if it contradicts one's world-view, to reject it, not just pile it into the brain to further confuse it. An “open mind” is like a failed water system that can no longer filter out the muck.

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    You are presenting a metaphorical representation of an 'open mind'.

    I once experienced a genuine 'open mind' as a teenager. The result is that every wierd thing you believe is impossible becomes possible, especially in the realms of the occult.

    I strongly advise everyone to keep 'that door' closed. Looking through letter box is ok but do not just 'open it up wide' as you'll be truely screwed.

    The world how we perceive it is governed by our brain chemistry and senses, make an alteration and it presents a different picture entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Excellent post M. You saved me the trouble of trying to say the same things, with more words and less clarity.
    Agreed. Took the words right out my mouth, and then made sense of them.
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