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    https://www.dictionary.com/e/misinfo...he-difference/

    Been asking recently on how much of this stuff is inside your head.
    I'm guessing that nearly everything that has ever gone into my head is at best unreliable.
    Most common reply is about 60%, but I think it could be a lot higher, which is unsettling.
    Having a news blackout might work.
    Any further ideas?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
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    Been asking recently on how much of this stuff is inside your head.
    I'm guessing that nearly everything that has ever gone into my head is at best unreliable.
    Most common reply is about 60%, but I think it could be a lot higher, which is unsettling.
    Having a news blackout might work.
    Any further ideas?
    For many people, much of this depends on childhood exposure to various "concepts". This is why there are so many boneheads in the world.

    And there may be more misinformation etc. than real information. Think about all the religions and cults, and governments using brainwashing. And of course the aging brain would tend to scramble things. A tangled web of concepts and notions to be sure.


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    Is there any information that is 100% reliable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Is there any information that is 100% reliable?
    A great deal of information is 100% reliable, but it often depends on the source.

    Sports results is a typical example. It is undeniable that Max Verstappen won the F-1 driving championship last year, and Lewis Hamilton came in second.

    Countless other examples exist, but this may not be the kind of information you are referring to. Still, proof of one form of accurate information suggests other forms are just as accurate.

    There is so much temptation to lie and distort for various reasons. But in some cases, it is simply not possible for many people to accept reality. Therein lies the potential problem. Many people may know what the truth is, but refuse to accept it. There was a lot of that in Germany during the 1930s-1940s. Similar events are occurring today in various places, but not so much in Germany anymore. Again, it all depends on the source.
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    Information I'm referring to might be second hand or worse. How am I to know?
    It could be Chinese whispers (telephone game).

    How do I know the information is correct? I can only use my instincts to doubt it.
    There is the liar paradox.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar_paradox

    Quantum physics might suggest nothing is certain.
    Relativity might suggest no 2 people ever see the same event or experience the same moment.
    Our use of grammar suggests time is broken down into past, present and future, but there is no hard evidence that time even exists.
    Do events ever happen or do we merely come across them? I'm not even sure who said that, but it was a physicist.
    Info you store inside your head gets even more scrambled.

    Could this be what the brain is about? It lies to us as a form of survival in a difficult world.
    It selects what might be useful to us and portrays it as reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Our use of grammar suggests time is broken down into past, present and future, but there is no hard evidence that time even exists.
    Many of your points are reasonable and certainly open to debate.

    But questioning the existence of time is a tough sell for some of us. At least my body over the years tells me that time really exists, as do so many experiments which are based on time. To be sure, time is one of the most critical aspects of all science, and it is very difficult to imagine it not existing. Philosophical aspects aside, would anything happen without time? Wouldn't everything be frozen in place? Would you be able to ask such questions without time?

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    Could this be what the brain is about? It lies to us as a form of survival in a difficult world. It selects what might be useful to us and portrays it as reality.
    For some things, the brain may lie to us. But there are many things it cannot lie about if individuals are to survive. In a world of hazards large and small, our brains tell us reality or else most of us wouldn't be here. But still, assuming they have been told the truth, many do not believe their brains, which accounts for many aspects of human behavior causing so much grief around the world.

    How the brain processes information and relies on it for behavior may be one of the biggest defects in human evolution - a brain which cannot determine truth from fiction. But that does not mean it applies to all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Helix View Post
    But questioning the existence of time is a tough sell for some of us. At least my body over the years tells me that time really exists, as do so many experiments which are based on time. To be sure, time is one of the most critical aspects of all science, and it is very difficult to imagine it not existing. Philosophical aspects aside, would anything happen without time? Wouldn't everything be frozen in place? Would you be able to ask such questions without time?
    Why does 'time' appear to go faster as you age?

    For some things, the brain may lie to us. But there are many things it cannot lie about if individuals are to survive. In a world of hazards large and small, our brains tell us reality or else most of us wouldn't be here. But still, assuming they have been told the truth, many do not believe their brains, which accounts for many aspects of human behavior causing so much grief around the world.
    Every statement you ever hear is likely to be false. Including this one.

    How the brain processes information and relies on it for behavior may be one of the biggest defects in human evolution - a brain which cannot determine truth from fiction. But that does not mean it applies to all of us.
    Humans have developed language through memes (it would appear) and animals cannot think because they have no language to think in, other than primitive sound communication or mimicry.
    It could be why we love animals. They have no misinformation inside their brains.
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    Spread misinformation and this is what you might get.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63237092
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Spread misinformation and this is what you might get.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63237092
    It is the wave of the future. As most people are easily fooled, this represents a way to provide for authoritarian control of the masses.

    Along with religious beliefs and other such nonsense, these activities are why we are in so much trouble in almost every aspect you can imagine.

    Lies about climate change, vaccines, charges of perversion and subversion etc. endlessly permeate the internet and video sources, and there is no going back.

    Too many people, too little intelligence.
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    ^ like ^

    While freedom of speech is allowed in democracy it should not mean you can say what you like if you can't back it up with some form of evidence.
    A person like David Icke (footballer turned conspiracy theorist) will need to watch his step.
    In my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Why does 'time' appear to go faster as you age?
    When you are 5, a year is 1/5 of your life. When you are 50, a year is 1/50 of your life.
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    Time ticks by quicker at your head than it does at your feet.
    On average, small people live longer.
    Time should go quicker after you reach maximum height. Few people get taller after 18 years.
    After 50, as I can confirm, time goes by even quicker, despite your body having shrunk.
    There are no more long sunny days.
    It must be something in the brain as it heads towards Alzheimer's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    It must be something in the brain as it heads towards Alzheimer's.

    As expected, it all relates to neurological processing - it is all in the mind :


    "Why Time Goes By Faster As We Age "

    * https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...-faster-we-age
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Helix View Post
    As expected, it all relates to neurological processing - it is all in the mind
    The biggest player in anything has to be thermodynamics.
    If it is not part of a scientific theory you can forget it (Eddington).
    The older you are the warmer you need to be.
    Hypothermia is a killer in old age, and because time is travelling faster you can be overtaken and then it's too late.

    Back to misinformation.
    IMO the biggest spreaders of misinformation throughout history are priests. Conspiracy theories are just a matter of opinion.
    In recent times people have been questioning why priests and just who are they?

    2 books I recommend:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Priests-Tradition-Garry-Wills/dp/0670024872


    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Closet-Vati.../dp/1472966147
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