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    There are times I seriously consider the different points of view about illegal drugs and their considered problems and medical considerations. What justified the war on drugs? Why did America spend so much money on it and why was it so controversial? Is the connections of drugs to cult, gang, and other activities enough to justify the massive war over it?


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    I used to think this was an easy question to resolve


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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasBard79 View Post
    There are times I seriously consider the different points of view about illegal drugs and their considered problems and medical considerations. What justified the war on drugs? Why did America spend so much money on it and why was it so controversial? Is the connections of drugs to cult, gang, and other activities enough to justify the massive war over it?
    Maybe this will make you feel better. I imagine if all drugs were legal then other problems would arise
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    Tell me something I don't know. The problem I see is that we control our society with drugs, which just makes reality more difficult to track.

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    Does the word "drug" have a clear definition?

    Is it different from any other word in this respect ? (except more or less so)
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    In my opinion ( I have never used substances, but I do volunteer work in an addiction support group ), people will use drugs, regardless of whether we like that or not. The policy of prohibition had no effect whatsoever other than to push the practice underground, and create a criminal black market for drugs, with all the accompanying issues.

    Prohibition does not work, it never has, and never will - itís as simple as that.

    I am personally not someone who would choose to consume mind-altering substances of any kind, however, I do think that the sooner we treat drugs as a public health issue - rather than a criminal justice issue -, the better. I think the best policy in this regard would be one of harm reduction, rather than criminalisation; or does anyone here genuinely believe that locking people up will stop them from using drugs ?
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    The Philippine drug war springs to mind. Rodrigo Duterte was elected President of the Philippines in May 2016, this is how he started.

    " Early months[edit]

    In speeches made after his inauguration on June 30, Duterte urged citizens to kill suspected criminals and drug addicts. He said he would order police to adopt a shoot-to-kill policy, and would offer them a bounty for dead suspects.[20] On July 2, 2016, the Communist Party of the Philippines stated that it "reiterates its standing order for the NPA to carry out operations to disarm and arrest the chieftains of the biggest drug syndicates, as well as other criminal syndicates involved in human rights violations and destruction of the environment" after its political wing Bagong Alyansang Makabayan accepted Cabinet posts in the new government.[33][34] On July 3, 2016, the Philippine National Police announced they had killed 30 alleged drug dealers since Duterte was sworn in as president on June 30.[35][36] They later stated they had killed 103 suspects between May 10 and July 7.
    [37] "

    Until this dude came along, nothing so radical had been tried in modern times, to rid a country of mind altering illegal drugs. I am however, of the opinion that governments in the Western World. should produce mind altering illegal drugs, and give them free of charge to those that want them. This would certainly eliminate the crime surrounding the supply and consumption of mind altering illegal drugs. Thousands of Police Officers would be freed up to pursue more mundane things like vandalism and petty theft, start with the small things.
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    Shoot to kill will do nothing to change drug use, it will simply escalate the way people retaliate, and killing innocent people that have a health issue is NOT in any way humane. Though I am not surprised you support mass murder D.W.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Shoot to kill will do nothing to change drug use, it will simply escalate the way people retaliate, and killing innocent people that have a health issue is NOT in any way humane. Though I am not surprised you support mass murder D.W.
    You obviously have not read the full post. I suggest that you read all of my post and you will see that I am not supporting mass murder,
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    You may apologise in your own time dude.
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    Yes I HAVE read it, and the opeing line of the wiki article YOU posted backs me up "It has been criticized locally and internationally for the number of deaths resulting from police operations, and alleged summary executions.[19]"

    I will not apologize for pointing out that you openly support mass murder of innocent people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Yes I HAVE read it, and the opeing line of the wiki article YOU posted backs me up "It has been criticized locally and internationally for the number of deaths resulting from police operations, and alleged summary executions.[19]"

    I will not apologize for pointing out that you openly support mass murder of innocent people.

    You are talking nonsense, now get over yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    You are talking nonsense
    Then explain exactly why it's nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Yes I HAVE read it, and the opeing line of the wiki article YOU posted backs me up "It has been criticized locally and internationally for the number of deaths resulting from police operations, and alleged summary executions.[19]"

    I will not apologize for pointing out that you openly support mass murder of innocent people.

    You are talking nonsense, now get over yourself.
    What exactly is nonsense about my post, and its direct citation to the article you linked to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    You are talking nonsense
    Then explain exactly why it's nonsense.
    I posted a link that explained what a dude in the Philippines was doing to rid his country of drugs. Paleoichneum accused me of supporting the dude, which quite clearly I was not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Yes I HAVE read it, and the opeing line of the wiki article YOU posted backs me up "It has been criticized locally and internationally for the number of deaths resulting from police operations, and alleged summary executions.[19]"

    I will not apologize for pointing out that you openly support mass murder of innocent people.

    You are talking nonsense, now get over yourself.
    What exactly is nonsense about my post, and its direct citation to the article you linked to...
    read my post after the citation, now get over yourself.
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