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    How long before we start to use crispr or other genetic engineering techniques for psychological traits like mood, morality, how people behave and moral values.

    Things like crime, social deviance, rebellions, counterculture and Behavior.


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    I doubt there is any simple relationship between genetics and those things. So I am going with never.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    I doubt there is any simple relationship between genetics and those things. So I am going with never.
    Than what causes those things?

    I'm not sure but I think it was Hitler that was supporting eugenics where he got this from Francis Galton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nec207 View Post
    Than what causes those things?
    A combination of nature and nurture. In other words, people's characters and their upbringing and their social circumstances. But there is no gene for being "moral" or "immoral".

    I'm not sure but I think it was Hitler that was supporting eugenics where he got this from Francis Galton.
    And eugenics is a stupid idea for exactly this reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    I doubt there is any simple relationship between genetics and those things. So I am going with never.
    Wait, no "simple" relationship between criminality/agressiveness and genetics.

    Just like there is no "simple" relationship between income and intelligence?

    Or intelligence and genetics. Testosterone levels and genetics. Upbringing and genetics. And etcetera..

    There is a link. Lower intelligence usually indicates more aggressiveness. People are more aggressive when they have high testosterone levels. And testosterone levels could be influenced by medication, so why not by recombinant DNA techniques.

    Muslim slavers during the 1400-1900 used to castrate their male slaves in their teens, so they would be less prone to violence or revolution. Heck, if they found a way to make someone less violent, why can't we find a way using modern technology?

    I'm not talking about morality, it is a gray area at best.. i know.
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    I doubt there is any simple relationship between genetics and those things. So I am going with never.
    Wait, no "simple" relationship between criminality/agressiveness and genetics.

    Just like there is no "simple" relationship between income and intelligence?

    Or intelligence and genetics. Testosterone levels and genetics. Upbringing and genetics. And etcetera..

    There is a link. Lower intelligence usually indicates more aggressiveness. People are more aggressive when they have high testosterone levels. And testosterone levels could be influenced by medication, so why not by recombinant DNA techniques.
    There is no simple link between those things. Some of them might have some influence. But that will vary depending on the individual (and their genetics and upbringing and immediate circumstances.

    There is certainly no simple connection between genetics and intelligence. While there may be a heritable contribution to intelligence, it clearly isn't one gene. Or even 10 genes. Maybe not even just 100 genes.

    The same is probably true for things which are even less well defined than intelligent (which is barely defined at all) like "mood" or "morality".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    There is no simple link between those things. Some of them might have some influence. But that will vary depending on the individual (and their genetics and upbringing and immediate circumstances.

    There is certainly no simple connection between genetics and intelligence. While there may be a heritable contribution to intelligence, it clearly isn't one gene. Or even 10 genes. Maybe not even just 100 genes.

    The same is probably true for things which are even less well defined than intelligent (which is barely defined at all) like "mood" or "morality".
    I see it differently..

    The link is there..

    Just putting the finger on it is the other case. We don't know the genes that cause this difference in intelligence.

    Two intelligent people will most likely have offspring that is more intelligent than the offspring of two less intelligent people.

    But maybe you meant it is not easy to define, and for that i agree. But to see the link is pretty easy.
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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