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    I think all people are not equal.The concept of equality is unnatural. Racism and color blind views both ignore truth.Every race is gifted(differently able). Celebrating those gifts and exchanging them is a beautiful concept. But taking a holistic view there is a pecking order with the Mongolians and Europeans at the top, followed by Indians and Africans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    Every race is gifted(differently able).
    How are you defining 'race'?


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    "Under our skin, we are all Africans."

    Race is arbitrary and where you are seeing "differences in race" you are actually just seeing differences between individuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    I think all people are not equal.
    Not all people are treated equally, that's true.
    Not all people are equal in the sense that I'm unlikely to win any event in the Olympics 1, that's also true.
    Other than that...

    Every race is gifted(differently able).
    "Race" is a myth.

    Celebrating those gifts and exchanging them is a beautiful concept.
    Which "gifts" did you have in mind?

    But taking a holistic view there is a pecking order with the Mongolians and Europeans at the top, followed by Indians and Africans.
    Evidence please.
    (I assume you're not talking about a "pecking order" that's arisen historically - largely due to circumstance rather than any "innate superiority".

    And I have to ask: WTF does "black smith" have to do with anything?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    And I have to ask: WTF does "black smith" have to do with anything?
    Lol! I was thinking the same thing!
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    There are indeed great difference, though most civs along the Mediterrenian route and silk route has been conquered back and forth so the diversity are minuscule.

    When the "white man" came to the Americas, they enslaved the Indians, but they died in matter of weeks, then they imported Africans and they lasted with their uncanny endurance.

    Racial diversity are not a politically correct subject, but some people are generally taller and some shorter, like Asians are short, whilst Massais usually are very tall. Innuits are generally stub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HexHammer View Post
    There are indeed great difference, though most civs along the Mediterrenian route and silk route has been conquered back and forth so the diversity are minuscule.

    When the "white man" came to the Americas, they enslaved the Indians, but they died in matter of weeks, then they imported Africans and they lasted with their uncanny endurance.

    Racial diversity are not a politically correct subject, but some people are generally taller and some shorter, like Asians are short, whilst Massais usually are very tall. Innuits are generally stub.
    What are you trying to say here? The Europeans had started developing their culture thousands of years before any human inhabited the Americas. The differences between the Indian cultures of the Americas and the Europeans weren't due to race but rather a longer period of development. So "there are indeed great differences" in cultures, not race.

    Also notice how incredibly narrow minded your last paragraph is. "Asians are short..." Which isn't necessarily true as there are plenty of incredibly tall people of Asian decent and the two other examples (Masai and Innuit) are not races. There are tall people and short people regardless of their race. Afghanis can be generally short due to vitamin deficiencies and lack of food but has nothing inherently to do with race. You are simply noticing cultural differences again here as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReligionOfTheSemites View Post
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    There are indeed great difference, though most civs along the Mediterrenian route and silk route has been conquered back and forth so the diversity are minuscule.

    When the "white man" came to the Americas, they enslaved the Indians, but they died in matter of weeks, then they imported Africans and they lasted with their uncanny endurance.

    Racial diversity are not a politically correct subject, but some people are generally taller and some shorter, like Asians are short, whilst Massais usually are very tall. Innuits are generally stub.
    What are you trying to say here? The Europeans had started developing their culture thousands of years before any human inhabited the Americas. The differences between the Indian cultures of the Americas and the Europeans weren't due to race but rather a longer period of development. So "there are indeed great differences" in cultures, not race.

    Also notice how incredibly narrow minded your last paragraph is. "Asians are short..." Which isn't necessarily true as there are plenty of incredibly tall people of Asian decent and the two other examples (Masai and Innuit) are not races. There are tall people and short people regardless of their race. Afghanis can be generally short due to vitamin deficiencies and lack of food but has nothing inherently to do with race. You are simply noticing cultural differences again here as well.
    1) you take my words out of context and jump to conclusions.

    2) many Asian countries are generally very short, due to mutation there's ALWAYS high people, even when the general height in France was about 1,65 cm there was still tall people suited for Napoleon's personal guard that only accepted soldiers of 1,80 iirc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HexHammer View Post
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    There are indeed great difference, though most civs along the Mediterrenian route and silk route has been conquered back and forth so the diversity are minuscule.

    When the "white man" came to the Americas, they enslaved the Indians, but they died in matter of weeks, then they imported Africans and they lasted with their uncanny endurance.

    Racial diversity are not a politically correct subject, but some people are generally taller and some shorter, like Asians are short, whilst Massais usually are very tall. Innuits are generally stub.
    What are you trying to say here? The Europeans had started developing their culture thousands of years before any human inhabited the Americas. The differences between the Indian cultures of the Americas and the Europeans weren't due to race but rather a longer period of development. So "there are indeed great differences" in cultures, not race.

    Also notice how incredibly narrow minded your last paragraph is. "Asians are short..." Which isn't necessarily true as there are plenty of incredibly tall people of Asian decent and the two other examples (Masai and Innuit) are not races. There are tall people and short people regardless of their race. Afghanis can be generally short due to vitamin deficiencies and lack of food but has nothing inherently to do with race. You are simply noticing cultural differences again here as well.
    1) you take my words out of context and jump to conclusions.

    2) many Asian countries are generally very short, due to mutation there's ALWAYS high people, even when the general height in France was about 1,65 cm there was still tall people suited for Napoleon's personal guard that only accepted soldiers of 1,80 iirc.
    I'm going to make this short: speaking about certain cultures isn't the same as speaking about race. Clearly cultural differences exist, but I fail to see any "great differences" other than a small difference in average height taken from "many Asian countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    I think all people are not equal.
    Obviously not.


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    The concept of equality is unnatural.
    One example of inequality is that most people understand that the concept of equality relates to equality of opportunity and treatment and is completely natural. Some people do not understand this and think the concept of equality is unnatural. They just haven't been paying attention.


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    Racism and color blind views both ignore truth.
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    Every race is gifted(differently able).
    Race is a meaningless construct that has no place in biology and counterproductive place in society.

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    Celebrating those gifts and exchanging them is a beautiful concept.
    Dropped objects tend to fall.


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    But taking a holistic view there is a pecking order with the Mongolians and Europeans at the top, followed by Indians and Africans.
    Bollocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    One example of inequality is that most people understand that the concept of equality relates to equality of opportunity and treatment and is completely natural. Some people do not understand this and think the concept of equality is unnatural. They just haven't been paying attention.
    Oh why isn't the like button working?

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    I want the permission of a Moderator here because I have some "Knowledge" that would better explain my point. Do I have the permission to tell the world O Great Moderators?
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    If what you are going to impart is genuine knowledge - i.e. ideally peer reviewed research - and does not breach the rules of the forum then you do not need to ask permission. If you are in doubt you could pm me with the knowledge, or a summary of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReligionOfTheSemites View Post
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    And I have to ask: WTF does "black smith" have to do with anything?
    Lol! I was thinking the same thing!
    Was this edited out? I don't see this reference.

    I think that for those who view this, they may be reflecting a localized view or reality of which is merely a function of the psychology of many living things. We naturally understand things from ourselves outward. As such, things like 'race' is a matter of degree. Obviously, for most of us, we agree that evolution is a result of those living things which 'fit' within some given environment. What doesn't get understood is that 'fit' only meant that which matches the conditions that enable something to persist or reproduce to exist in some latter time. For the original poster of this thread: you interpreted "fit" to meant THAT which is best suited for the given environment or (possibly) any other such environments.

    I understand what you might be thinking as this was what seemed to be implicit upon what Darwin had initially demonstrated and in which Herbert Spenser had expanded upon. Your thinking is only in error in that you might presume that this implies some sort of 'superiority' in some entities over another in a type of "objective" standard that is very strict. If one survives long enough to reproduce and is able to, this is more due to the 'appearance' of what two individuals having sex think is better to pass on those genes. Just as you might think that some 'holistic' interpretation is in error, for those who adapt this view, (even in error), if successful, their view would be the ones that get passed on if the sexual behavior of individuals adapt them. Sure, it might end in potentially undesirable future results. But still, this then, would become the new conception of what is 'fit'. Such results might end in the destruction of humanity. But it is still not the end of other evolutionary beings who might take advantage of the potential destruction of humanity. They might not be intellectual (or superior) in our ways, but this is irrelevant. All that matters is that they might succeed our existence in some future time. This is all that counts in evolution. There is no such thing as better or worse in reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Mayers View Post
    Was this edited out? I don't see this reference.
    Thread title.
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    Mix all the genes up so people aren't inbred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Mayers View Post
    Was this edited out? I don't see this reference.
    Thread title.
    I missed that. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer w/Straw View Post
    Mix all the genes up so people aren't inbred.
    Sorry, but if your avatar represents you as my sister, I'll take the chance of inbreeding.
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    Scott, you have completely missed the point. The OP is declaring that races (whatever they are) are not equal in their talents. He makes this as an assertion and offers no sound evidence to support that assertion. He has not addressed explicitly or implicitly any of the points you raise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Scott, you have completely missed the point. The OP is declaring that races (whatever they are) are not equal in their talents. He makes this as an assertion and offers no sound evidence to support that assertion. He has not addressed explicitly or implicitly any of the points you raise.
    I think it still suits as a response since 'talent' is a qualifying judgement of value in one's perception. If he is assuming a class, let him argue it. I think he might 'get' what I'm saying. Let's just see.
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    There's only one race, the human race. Everybody has an ethnicity to themselves which makes them what they are.
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    The OP is correct, equality is a political and moral concept not reality. In reality people vary greatly in strength, intelligence, beauty, athletic ablity, morality, etc . It is just ordinary honesty to acknowledge these differences. I am better than some people, some people are better than me.
    I have an afro american friend, Dave. Dave is, by my judgement, a better man than I am. I am better educated than he is. He has a greater work ethic and higher moral standards than I do.
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    The OP is not talking about individual differences. Only a fool would deny these exist. He was arguing that "races", whatever they are, are inherently unequal. Well, if you want to get trite, my friend Clifer does not sunburn as easily as I do, but for matters of substance, well......
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