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  1. #1 The behavioral limits of fear and anger. 
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    Greetings,

    i would like to pose a question based on the behavioral roots of fear and anger. Firstly, is there a way to dissociate one another, basically to avoid justifying anger as a motivational form of fear. And secondly, if we agree that these two entities are a product of consequent unconditioned and conditioned stimulus, could we explain the deeper core of anger - as an independent mechanism - which differentiates from fear?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonaht View Post
    Firstly, is there a way to dissociate one another, basically to avoid justifying anger as a motivational form of fear.
    Perhaps this from insufficient sleep on my part, but are you suggesting or are under the impression that "anger" as you are using it - stems from fear, or have I misunderstood what you have said?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonaht View Post
    And secondly, if we agree that these two entities are a product of consequent unconditioned and conditioned stimulus, could we explain the deeper core of anger - as an independent mechanism - which differentiates from fear?
    Can you elaborate what you meant by "deeper core of anger - as an independent mechanism". The following thread could have covered some points you may find helpful.

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    I would say that fear and anger have cognitive roots, not behavioral roots. I would differentiate fear from anger in that fear evokes disengagement, whereas anger evokes engagement.

    Without fully understanding your second question, I would say that, because humans are born virtually 100% helpless, that babies begin life naturally fearing all things: hunger, messy diaper, lack of companionship, etc. As babies develop and learn, they realize that some events or objects are actually conquerable, which might then evoke a response involving anger. So, for example, instead of a baby crying from fear because another child took the its food, the baby might, in anger, take the food back or hit the child.
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    Perhaps this from insufficient sleep on my part, but are you suggesting or are under the impression that "anger" as you are using it - stems from fear, or have I misunderstood what you have said?
    Yes, conventional thinking suggests that anger ,hatred and a wide variety of emotions stem from fear. I am trying to build a theoretical model that gives independence to anger (a state of being threatened), if possible. Although, by observation only we could deduct that fear is a logical basis of anger. The question remains , is there a way that allows us to approach this labyrinth differently?

    Can you elaborate what you meant by "deeper core of anger - as an independent mechanism". The following thread could have covered some points you may find helpful.
    Well, using any analytical proposition by explaining where (if there is at all) the dissociation point lies between anger and fear , he could use it to deepen his analysis by focusing to the primordial form of this emotion.
    Thanks for the reference , it was a helpful discussion with constructive material, but the purpose of your thread was quite different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonaht View Post
    Yes, conventional thinking suggests that anger ,hatred and a wide variety of emotions stem from fear.
    Then this "convention thinking" incorrect.

    There are many causes for anger or hatred, and they do not necessarily stem from fear. Suppose you have written an original piece of work, which someone else has stolen and submitted it as their own, leading you to be accused to plagiarism and eventually expelled in disgrace. You would likely experience anger or even hatred. Not hitting close enough to home? Lets try something different.

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    You witness a drunken mother savagely beating her child for reasons unknown to you. You call out for her to stop, but she pushes you away asking you to mind your own business. You tried again to intervene, but were unsuccessful at stopping her after she shoves you out the door; locking it. You yelled at her through the door threatening to call the police, which you eventually did. And upon their arrival, you led them to the drunken mother and realized that she had beaten her child to death just seconds before you stepped through the door. The child's broken body lies before you and the police in his blood stained clothes in disarray, a face battered with bruises and cuts, and the mother sitting on the sofa watching the TV, taking a puff from cigarette in one hand and taking an occasional sip from a bottle in her other.

    The child is dead.

    You stood there stunned. Staring at the scene before you, your mind reenacting the battering the child had received; glancing at the body of the child in front of you and back towards the face of the murderer who is the mother. She glazes in your direction, with partially closed eyes and a fleeting one-sided grin that you weren't even sure happened. You start feeling horrified, but then something stirs within you. You can't explain it. Something within you wants to tear the murderer apart with your bare hands, inflict the same amount of pain upon her; tenfold, a hundredfold even. Adrenaline causes your pupils to dilate, you start to tremble, your heart beats rapidly, your breathing is shallow and quick, and with fists clenched - you let out a scream you have not heard yourself let out before today.

    You leap...
    Is this fear?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonaht View Post
    I am trying to build a theoretical model that gives independence to anger (a state of being threatened), if possible. Although, by observation only we could deduct that fear is a logical basis of anger.
    Eggs once broken are forever broken. The deed is done. Anger can arise without fear, and while fear may be a cause for anger, that isn't always the case. And if it isn't always the case, it cannot be the basis.


    Disclaimer: The reason why I've named it as "I laughed at this story" is to elicit an emotional reaction of disgust as a possible precursor to anger solely for this mental exercise and for nothing else.
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    A burst of anger is healthy but insidious anger corrupts the person and makes him evil. There are no behavioral limits to anger and fear.
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    When you are offended at any man's fault, turn to yourself and study your own failings. Then you will forget your anger.
    Epictetus



    Let us not look back in anger, nor forward in fear, but around in awareness.
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    He who angers you conquers you.
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