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    Reference : New Scientist, 17 May 2014, page 17

    A study, covering 1420 children in North Carolina, looked at levels of bullying and the protein CRP, which shows long term stress levels. Bullied children show substantial increases in this protein at least until their early 20's. Interestingly, the bullies themselves had the lowest levels of this protein. This shows that being a bully is like the Mel Brooks comment on royalty. "Being the king is good!"

    It is just a few years since the discovery that bullies are not, as previously believed, people with low self esteem. The opposite applies. Bullies have high self esteem, and they get their jollies from boosting it even further by playing superiority games.

    So what is your experience? Were you a bully or one of the victims? What long term effects do you think it may have had on you, in either case?


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    As a kid I moved from a rural community to the city. I came from a one room schoolhouse to a modern school with a whole classroom of Grade 6ers. Anyway I got picked on by some tough guy who pushed me around, hounded me all the way home from school, name calling, etc. They called the kid Unky. One day Unky kept poking me , trying to goad me into a fight on my walk home from school. I ended the taunts and bullying by turning around with a big clenched fist haymaker that landed squarely on his jaw, knocking him out. He never bothered me again, no one did, I just dusted the toughest kid in school with one punch. Later on he tried to be my friend and for a while we were.

    I don't know what would have happened if I didn't connect that day. He probably would have beat the shit out of me. I don't advise violence however, but sometimes it may be necessary, and that's a very grey area for sure. It was the only time in my life someone picked on me. I may have been in grade 6 but I had skipped a grade and poor Unky was repeating a year so he was a couple years older. Perhaps he felt envy or I was an easy target, never found out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Reference : New Scientist, 17 May 2014, page 17

    A study, covering 1420 children in North Carolina, looked at levels of bullying and the protein CRP, which shows long term stress levels. Bullied children show substantial increases in this protein at least until their early 20's. Interestingly, the bullies themselves had the lowest levels of this protein. This shows that being a bully is like the Mel Brooks comment on royalty. "Being the king is good!"

    It is just a few years since the discovery that bullies are not, as previously believed, people with low self esteem. The opposite applies. Bullies have high self esteem, and they get their jollies from boosting it even further by playing superiority games.

    So what is your experience? Were you a bully or one of the victims? What long term effects do you think it may have had on you, in either case?
    When I was a child, I was just plain violent. Didn't typically bother to fight people who couldn't fight back, though. I wanted the fight to be interesting, and at least a little bit challenging.

    This is why I've never understood bullies. Seems like it would be boring to beat up somebody who can't fight back. It's mean too, of course, but I have always failed to see why they find it fun.
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    Did the study say why they thought C reactive protein would be elevated? CRP is a nonspecific test that indicates some kind of inflammatory process in the body, which is odd in a way, because cortisol tends to suppress inflammation.
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    I do not really know, Diane. But I suspect that the whole process may be somewhat complex.

    I wonder if the same long term stress would come from being cyber-bullied? Anyone had experience?
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    looked at levels of bullying and the protein CRP ... Bullied children show substantial increases in (long term stress) at least until their early 20's.
    Since we know some kids are bully-magnets (put harshly: they are born runts), another explanation is those children already had the stress, that attracts bullying.

    I'd want to know about the bullied children prior to bullying. Were they easily frightened to begin with? Many kids just are. And as parents we know these ones are targets. Anecdotally, my own son has always been a nervous character, and I'm a bit surprised how well treated he is by his peers (and really impressed by this generation!). I'd bet this kid has highish CRP, and will so at least into his teens. Sometimes he scratches.
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    Mother from Europe, talked funny, slender child, musical and athletic.....oh yeah I got bullied. The biggest girl in the school decided to hit me. I hit her back. I probably didn't hurt her (I wound up with a honking bruise) and wound up in the principal's office, but people then left me alone.
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    Bullying does not necessarily equal physical violence. Babe, if a popular girl coined a nickname for you, and it got around the school, and you chewed your fingers till they bled, then you were bullied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
    Bullying does not necessarily equal physical violence. Babe, if a popular girl coined a nickname for you, and it got around the school, and you chewed your fingers till they bled, then you were bullied.
    I understand what you are saying, so to clarify, there were words associated with this for some time before she resorted to hitting me. Hitting me was the last straw for me and I retaliated.
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    If I could go back in time to when I was being bullied at school, I'd smash a chair into their heads.

    Let's see them try to bully me when they're having to spend the rest of their lives in a wheelchair being fed through a tube.

    I f**king hate bullies. They should be tortured to death.

    So many times I came close to ending it all bcause of my s**tty childhood and school life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    I do not really know, Diane. But I suspect that the whole process may be somewhat complex.

    I wonder if the same long term stress would come from being cyber-bullied? Anyone had experience?
    Well another way to look at it, is that perhaps bullying doesn't create these effects - is it possible that bullies and victims already have these differences before the behavior occurs?

    If a bully is wired to not find picking fights particularly stressful, perhaps he doesn't need as much cortisol or CRP.
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    From my reading, I would suspect that a bully simply picks only those fights that are not stressful. In other words, only when he/she can totally dominate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    I do not really know, Diane. But I suspect that the whole process may be somewhat complex.

    I wonder if the same long term stress would come from being cyber-bullied? Anyone had experience?

    I asked myself the same question, because I thought that cyber-bullying is the main thing atm. But I found this statistic, showing that it's pretty rare...well ok, its a statistic of 2011, but anyways...

    • Cyber bullying: share of bullied students 2010-2011 | Statistic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    If I could go back in time to when I was being bullied at school, I'd smash a chair into their heads.

    Let's see them try to bully me when they're having to spend the rest of their lives in a wheelchair being fed through a tube.

    I f**king hate bullies. They should be tortured to death.

    So many times I came close to ending it all bcause of my s**tty childhood and school life.
    SO let go the anger.

    You have become a very special, intelligent, successful person in your own right.

    What did they become?

    I'm proud of you and I am not your MOM!!!

    You have a good heart......keep it there and CONGRATS FOR BEING SO SUCCESSFUL IN YOUR OWN RIGHT!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
    looked at levels of bullying and the protein CRP ... Bullied children show substantial increases in (long term stress) at least until their early 20's.
    Since we know some kids are bully-magnets (put harshly: they are born runts), another explanation is those children already had the stress, that attracts bullying.

    I'd want to know about the bullied children prior to bullying. Were they easily frightened to begin with? Many kids just are. And as parents we know these ones are targets. Anecdotally, my own son has always been a nervous character, and I'm a bit surprised how well treated he is by his peers (and really impressed by this generation!). I'd bet this kid has highish CRP, and will so at least into his teens. Sometimes he scratches.
    And just maybe they were bullied in preschool and no one noticed.

    Bullying in Preschool: What Parents Need to Know | Education.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    If I could go back in time to when I was being bullied at school, I'd smash a chair into their heads.

    Let's see them try to bully me when they're having to spend the rest of their lives in a wheelchair being fed through a tube.

    I f**king hate bullies. They should be tortured to death.

    So many times I came close to ending it all bcause of my s**tty childhood and school life.
    SO let go the anger.

    You have become a very special, intelligent, successful person in your own right.

    What did they become?

    I'm proud of you and I am not your MOM!!!

    You have a good heart......keep it there and CONGRATS FOR BEING SO SUCCESSFUL IN YOUR OWN RIGHT!!!


    Thanks Babe.

    *hugs*
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