
Originally Posted by
Lynx_Fox

Originally Posted by
Stargate

Originally Posted by
Lynx_Fox
I still would like to hear what do you want to be free from to have free will?
Already answered...overarching and compelling reasons towards one decision that most people wouldn't' make--self preservation completely overwhelms most people's thinking and forces them into whatever they think will keep them alive. It's more a practical consideration of human behavior and our concept of justice, than a difference in our brain's internal workings.
To respond to your post I would have to bring spirit into the equation, and I am sure you will not agree with me. However for me there is a part of me that can utilize free will, and a part of me that cannot. In one instance I do not have to be free from anything so I have free will. On the other level I am bound by parameters that are tied to or connect to other things that hinders my free will. As you can see from what I said free will is not static.
If a spirit exists, then wouldn't the spirit's brain be the part we're discussing? Why would the spirit's brain have free will if the body's brain doesn't?

Originally Posted by
Daecon
Maybe consciousness or free will is the ultimate expresion of quantumn uncertainty merged with chaos theory.
Why yes, I would like some dressing with my word salad.
Maybe I'm just hearing the part of this salad that I want to hear, but that seems to contain a working answer to the problem.
One of the premises of our question is, in fact, quite false. At the quantum level, there is no determinism. A single photon traveling through a double slit apparatus, for example, chooses its path from available options in a way that appears to be entirely random.
The brain is based on quantum effects, therefore there is no requirement for the brain to be deterministic. (Perhaps some effects are more deterministic than others.)
A computer, on the other hand, is designed in a way to purposefully reduce those effects. The "one's and zero's" nature of a computer means that we are always summing a large number of quantum effects into a lump together before they are evaluated. The apparent determinism we see in the macro world is present because what we are witnessing is the summing of a lot of quantum effects. So, computers are deterministic for the same reason the macro world in general is deterministic.
The human brain, however, may not have that effect designed into it. (It's not designed exactly like a typical computer.)