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    From New Scientist 15 February page 29

    A.I. researcher, David Levy, estimates that in another 40 years, robots will be built that are essentially indistinguishable from humans, and people will fall in love with them. Imagine a female robot built like a 20 year old Raquel Welch, or a male robot built like a 25 year old Errol Fynn. Programmed to be perpetually loving and compliant. Able to talk with its owner/lover and swap endearments, as well as engage in physical sex.

    Would you want one? Would you fall in love with it? Get married?


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    I think it might depend on his *cough* 'equipment'.
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    Yeah, the answers to these questions depend strongly on how - advanced - the bot actually is:

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    People already love animals more than other people today. Knowing this I'd say that there will always be those who will love just about anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I think it might depend on his *cough* 'equipment'.
    Are you talking about a black market robot made to order. The OP was careful to specify a 20 year old looking robot. But some people might pay a lot more for a safe much younger looking robot. Now I have to ask. Would that be wrong as no damage is being done to a real human?

    I know it's a touchy subject, but it will have to be addressed sooner or later.
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    Naked Bart Simpson = child porn charges.

    Therefore we can only conclude that a robot child would be actual, real-life, harmful, pedophilia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    Naked Bart Simpson = child porn charges.

    Therefore we can only conclude that a robot child would be actual, real-life, harmful, pedophilia.
    That a good point, but still not quite the same as having a well mannered child robot that's not being used for public display. Then there's a consideration that if the pedophile is getting what he needs from a robot he won't be molesting any real children.
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    Then there's a consideration that if the pedophile is getting what he needs from a robot he won't be molesting any real children.
    Maybe. I'd be more inclined to take a realistic view of what we know about brain plasticity. A person who is engaging in morality-free robot based pedophilia is practising, rehearsing, reinforcing, perhaps even validating, that personal preference (orientation, whatever term best suits). Highly undesirable I'd say.

    One thing we've learned from anger management. You don't learn to control or reduce inappropriate or dangerous behaviour by allowing it free expression. You don't get rid of anger by expressing it. You get practice in saying and doing angry things.

    I'd be more inclined to the view that such robotic devices would have a role in some aspects, but only some, of therapy for people with sexual problems. Maybe even as proxy partners for people who have serious physical, intellectual or mental health problems that make it difficult for them to have a real life relationship.

    But not just sexual relationships or therapies. Think of all the times you see recommendations for people to practise their positive or assertive conversational tactics or how to ask for a raise or how to get your mother to stop pestering you about providing grandchildren while still maintaining civil family relationships. Having a not-quite-real person to practise with would save the time, or at least the emotional energy, of professional therapists. Could be useful also for dealing with prisoners who need coaching from a "real" person to improve their behavioural habits or their distorted thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
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    I think it might depend on his *cough* 'equipment'.
    Are you talking about a black market robot made to order. The OP was careful to specify a 20 year old looking robot. But some people might pay a lot more for a safe much younger looking robot. Now I have to ask. Would that be wrong as no damage is being done to a real human?

    I know it's a touchy subject, but it will have to be addressed sooner or later.

    At this point I'd prefer two 40 year old robots.....fully equipped with every possible asset!
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    That sounds fine in theory. Do you really think, with megabucks available to robot sellers, that it will remain restricted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Then there's a consideration that if the pedophile is getting what he needs from a robot he won't be molesting any real children.
    Maybe. I'd be more inclined to take a realistic view of what we know about brain plasticity. A person who is engaging in morality-free robot based pedophilia is practising, rehearsing, reinforcing, perhaps even validating, that personal preference (orientation, whatever term best suits). Highly undesirable I'd say.

    One thing we've learned from anger management. You don't learn to control or reduce inappropriate or dangerous behaviour by allowing it free expression. You don't get rid of anger by expressing it. You get practice in saying and doing angry things.

    I'd be more inclined to the view that such robotic devices would have a role in some aspects, but only some, of therapy for people with sexual problems. Maybe even as proxy partners for people who have serious physical, intellectual or mental health problems that make it difficult for them to have a real life relationship.

    But not just sexual relationships or therapies. Think of all the times you see recommendations for people to practice their positive or assertive conversational tactics or how to ask for a raise or how to get your mother to stop pestering you about providing grandchildren while still maintaining civil family relationships. Having a not-quite-real person to practice with would save the time, or at least the emotional energy, of professional therapists. Could be useful also for dealing with prisoners who need coaching from a "real" person to improve their behavioural habits or their distorted thinking.
    You could be right here, but without more data it's hard to tell for sure, as your examples are not equivalent behavior. I'd say the robots would need to be very real looking and acting. Anyway because of the subject matter I doubt if a complete study will ever be done. But you have to think there will be a demand, and that black market robots will be made and sold.
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    That sounds fine in theory. Do you really think, with megabucks available to robot sellers, that it will remain restricted?
    Much the same way as any other illegal item - depends on the willingness of the enforcers to enforce and the crims to avoid.
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    Robot gigolos, robot hookers, mechanical sex?

    Naw, it would never catch on, people are too discerning for that and would prefer the real thing. Real robotical mechanical sex from real human robotical mechanical prostitutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
    Robot gigolos, robot hookers, mechanical sex?

    Naw, it would never catch on, people are too discerning for that and would prefer the real thing. Real robotical mechanical sex from real human robotical mechanical prostitutes.
    People pay for love dolls. The ones in the link below are only a few hundred dollars, but a few years ago I watched a TV program about custom love dolls that went for several thousand dollars each. So it's not a stretch to believe you could put a sophisticated robot inside one of these high class love dolls and people would pay big bucks for them.

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    Don't forget the ladies. Think of how often they deplore the 'shortcomings' of the male of our species. Think of a robot built like the most handsome man who ever lived, who never suffers from premature ejaculation and always brings his lady to orgasm. I heard a description of the ideal man as having a nine inch tongue who breaths through his ears. A male robot could do all that and more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    Don't forget the ladies. Think of how often they deplore the 'shortcomings' of the male of our species. Think of a robot built like the most handsome man who ever lived, who never suffers from premature ejaculation and always brings his lady to orgasm. I heard a description of the ideal man as having a nine inch tongue who breaths through his ears. A male robot could do all that and more.
    "Introducing the LoveMaxx Mandroid 3000™, now with a Prehensile Penis attachment!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    or a male robot built like a 25 year old Errol Fynn.
    A womanizing alcoholic?

    Every woman's dream.
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    Sex with robots?
    I dunno... on the other hand if you messed with some of the industrial robots I've seen you'd be well and truly f*cked.
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    And when 'he' says something of which I disagree with, I can turn him ''off'' and place him in the closet! Perfect. Oh, I love where the future is heading!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    And when 'he' says something of which I disagree with
    Presumably, because it will be "male" that would be anytime he says anything...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dywyddyr View Post
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    and when 'he' says something of which i disagree with
    presumably, because it will be "male" that would be anytime he says anything...
    lmao!!
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    You can have him programmed to agree with everything you say.
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    A literal Yes-man.

    However questions such as "Does my bum look big in this?" may lead to a logic loop that could cause his head to explode.
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    No problem. Just program him to lie. Then he can be a true husband.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    People already love animals more than other people today. Knowing this I'd say that there will always be those who will love just about anything.
    Non-human animals are conscious and self-aware just like us. I don't see how that is relevant since we are discussing programmed robots without a consciousness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
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    People already love animals more than other people today. Knowing this I'd say that there will always be those who will love just about anything.
    Non-human animals are conscious and self-aware just like us. I don't see how that is relevant since we are discussing programmed robots without a consciousness.
    Well if you've spent the money to have your robot look like your favorite actress/actor. It will also speak with their voice. The only thing you need now is a library of different scenarios which you can select to run. After all variety is the spice of life and whatever sparks your fantasy works for me. Even bad robots need love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
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    People already love animals more than other people today. Knowing this I'd say that there will always be those who will love just about anything.
    Non-human animals are conscious and self-aware just like us. I don't see how that is relevant since we are discussing programmed robots without a consciousness.
    Well if you've spent the money to have your robot look like your favorite actress/actor. It will also speak with their voice. The only thing you need now is a library of different scenarios which you can select to run. After all variety is the spice of life and whatever sparks your fantasy works for me. Even bad robots need love.
    But me knowing that they aren't sentient and just a simulation will be the downfall. With animals I know they are sentient and self-aware and have real emotions. If you were to build a robot, it would need to have a brain that is self-aware and sentient (something I believe is possible, just not in 40 years).
    It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
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    Love does not need to be focussed on something sentient. Plenty of people love objects. Like sports car. Teddy bears. Boats. etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyoko View Post
    But me knowing that they aren't sentient and just a simulation will be the downfall. With animals I know they are sentient and self-aware and have real emotions. If you were to build a robot, it would need to have a brain that is self-aware and sentient (something I believe is possible, just not in 40 years).
    In many cases just satisfying a fantasy works real well. But if you want to start a family a robot just won't do. But lets say you just got out of a very bad relationship. You may not be ready for a new relationship for some time and a robot could be a great way to heal yourself for however long it might take. A robot can also take off the horny edge while you are looking for Mr or Mrs right. Some relationships get off to a rocky start if you appear to be sexually needy.
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    That's using the word "love" in a very broad way. Too broad for the OP.
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    You can have him programmed to agree with everything you say.
    Of course we joke, but in truth, it would be rather dull to have a drone for a bf. It is in the disagreements, that people learn from the other. I shudder to think that we really are heading towards ''robot love.'' But, a robot is only as valuable as its programmer.
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    We are already half way there. There are doll brothels in Japan. You can google "vice shittiest doll brothel japan" for the documentary. I won't post it here because it contains adult subjects.
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    Ew, really? Gross. :/ I think that it shows the depravity of mankind, when it is capable and desirous of reducing the act of sex to mere mechanics. Sex doesn't require love imo, but it is far more than a mechanical set of tasks and a robot or ''doll'' wouldn't be satisfying whatsoever. Like people who (mainly) view porn and self pleasure for example, this path to robotic eroticism and ''love'' puts an unhealthy focus on self.
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    I think that it shows the depravity of mankind,
    How is it depravity? Also, by which standard are you making this value judgement?

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    ... when it is capable and desirous of reducing the act of sex to mere mechanics.
    Sex is mechanics; albeit biomechanical to be accurate. Is (self or otherwise) assisted pleasure any different?

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    Sex doesn't require love imo, but it is far more than a mechanical set of tasks and a robot or ''doll'' wouldn't be satisfying whatsoever.
    Perhaps thinking of it as "sex" isn't the most appropriate way to go. An "enacted sexual fantasy with mechanically aided sexual release" seems to fit the description of masturbation. Is the chimp having sex with a frog or masturbating with a frog?

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    Like people who (mainly) view porn and self pleasure for example, this path to robotic eroticism and ''love'' puts an unhealthy focus on self.
    How so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    And when 'he' says something of which I disagree with, I can turn him ''off'' and place him in the closet! Perfect. Oh, I love where the future is heading!
    or let his batteries run out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    Ew, really? Gross. :/ I think that it shows the depravity of mankind, when it is capable and desirous of reducing the act of sex to mere mechanics. Sex doesn't require love imo, but it is far more than a mechanical set of tasks and a robot or ''doll'' wouldn't be satisfying whatsoever. Like people who (mainly) view porn and self pleasure for example, this path to robotic eroticism and ''love'' puts an unhealthy focus on self.
    After 60 years of marriage it probably IS mechanics!! *L*
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    Would these sex machines be expected to pass a Turing Test every few months to make sure they are not becoming neurotic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
    Would these sex machines be expected to pass a Turing Test every few months to make sure they are not becoming neurotic?
    Actually every 13 1/2 days...
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    After 60 years of marriage it probably IS mechanics!!
    Not necessarily. I recall reading a piece about the difficulties for older people in hospitals and nursing homes where the people dealing with them ignore, or refuse to consider that the residents might have an interest in sex. They quote one old bloke who was really upset about being in hospital - he'd been healthy all his life until that point - and son was trying to soothe his feelings, get him to say what was really troubling him and not letting him sleep. Eventually he said that he simply felt lonely, because when he was at home he went to sleep every night "in your mother's arms".

    At which point son, daughter-in-law and nurse promptly found something else to talk about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    After 60 years of marriage it probably IS mechanics!!
    Not necessarily. I recall reading a piece about the difficulties for older people in hospitals and nursing homes where the people dealing with them ignore, or refuse to consider that the residents might have an interest in sex. They quote one old bloke who was really upset about being in hospital - he'd been healthy all his life until that point - and son was trying to soothe his feelings, get him to say what was really troubling him and not letting him sleep. Eventually he said that he simply felt lonely, because when he was at home he went to sleep every night "in your mother's arms".

    At which point son, daughter-in-law and nurse promptly found something else to talk about.
    It is difficult possibly for many of us....myself included to think of their parents in the late 80's being sexually active!

    My father is gone.
    Don't think MUM was much interested in the get go...other than to procreate.

    Now my spouse and I..hmmmm this will be interestin!
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    After 60 years of marriage it probably IS mechanics!!
    Not necessarily. I recall reading a piece about the difficulties for older people in hospitals and nursing homes where the people dealing with them ignore, or refuse to consider that the residents might have an interest in sex. They quote one old bloke who was really upset about being in hospital - he'd been healthy all his life until that point - and son was trying to soothe his feelings, get him to say what was really troubling him and not letting him sleep. Eventually he said that he simply felt lonely, because when he was at home he went to sleep every night "in your mother's arms".

    At which point son, daughter-in-law and nurse promptly found something else to talk about.
    The old guy may or may not have been referring to sex. People in a nursing home are going to be lonely. That's a given, and there's probably not much those people could have done about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    myself included to think of their parents in the late 80's being sexually active!
    Heck, I was sexually active in the late '80s.
    And most of the 90s.
    Then it all sort of tailed off...
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    I think that it shows the depravity of mankind,
    How is it depravity? Also, by which standard are you making this value judgement?
    If you don't see the depravity of having sex with a doll, over a human being...no amount of explanation on my part will help.
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    If you don't see the depravity of having sex with a doll, over a human being...no amount of explanation on my part will help.
    Does that mean you've never masturbated or that you think masturbation is deprived?
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    If you don't see the depravity of having sex with a doll, over a human being...no amount of explanation on my part will help.
    Does that mean you've never masturbated or that you think masturbation is deprived?
    lol I see nothing wrong with masturbation. But, if you scroll up, I inserted the word 'mainly.' If one is mainly turning to self, over wishing to have a sexually healthy relationship with another human (however that can be defined by the person)...that to me is where it become unhealthy. Studies have shown for example, women who 'prefer' their vibrators over their partners, struggle in their sexual relationships with their partners, because instead of showing the partner how to please them, they just turn to self. Nothing wrong with self pleasure, it's when it becomes someone's main form of sex, that it can become an unhealthy vice or outlet. Hope that better clarifies.
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    If you don't see the depravity of having sex with a doll, over a human being...no amount of explanation on my part will help.
    This seems to be assuming that everyone has someone willing and able to have sex with them ("on demand" or not).
    In my experience that's simply not the case.

    Let's not even go into the question of "is it better to have sex with a doll or with someone (maybe) coerced into prostitution".
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    If you don't see the depravity of having sex with a doll, over a human being...no amount of explanation on my part will help.
    This seems to be assuming that everyone has someone willing and able to have sex with them ("on demand" or not).
    In my experience that's simply not the case.

    Let's not even go into the question of "is it better to have sex with a doll or with someone (maybe) coerced into prostitution".
    Don't add to what I'm saying. Let's stay on one track. Psychologically speaking, if someone prefers sex with self or with a doll let's say, he/she may never seek to have a healthy sexual relationship outside of that. That's why it can become problematic. (for the person) So, going with your reply...do you feel sex with a doll would be a satisfying substitute for a human being? The point more so of this thread topic (as I understand it, but I could be wrong) is that it sort of begs the question....are humans replaceable by robots, for something even as intimate as sex? I say no. I see nothing wrong with self pleasuring, but not as a mainstay of one's sexual experience.
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    Was I "adding"?
    Your original statement made no reference to "preference".
    It DID mention: when it is capable and desirous of reducing the act of sex to mere mechanics.
    Is prostitution not "mere mechanics"?
    If it IS a question of preference then I'd say there's a good chance there are [psychological] problems with the person.
    BUT, it could be a question of circumstance.

    are humans replaceable by robots
    Ideally 1.
    And I'm not talking about sex.
    (But that's just me).


    1 Of course, that's NOT an admission of psychological problems on my part. It's just pointing out that people are, by and large, an unwanted distraction and a waste of time.
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    Was I "adding"?
    Your original statement made no reference to "preference".
    It DID mention: when it is capable and desirous of reducing the act of sex to mere mechanics.
    Is prostitution not "mere mechanics"?
    If it IS a question of preference then I'd say there's a good chance there are [psychological] problems with the person.
    BUT, it could be a question of circumstance.

    are humans replaceable by robots
    Ideally.
    And I'm not talking about sex.
    (But that's just me).
    Somewhat adding, because I think the topic of prostitution is an entirely different scope. People turn to prostitutes for a number of reasons, not always sex. But, a robot, is honest and truly, strictly...mechanics. When you are with another person, even if there's no love involved, and I've been in relationships where there was no love there, but good sex--I still had a concern for the other person. With a robot, there's no concern if 'it' is enjoying it or not, it becomes SOLELY an act relating to self. I suppose we could take a step further and say, well some people have sex with other people, and have no concern for them, either. That's true, but I see it differently than preferring a robot. My thoughts here have to do more with preferring robots and self, over being with another person. (whether there's love involved or not) Having sex with another person, requires an interaction. (we are speaking of two (or more) consenting adults, for the record) That interaction still requires some effort on the part of two people to engage in sexual activity...whether it's strictly for pleasure or not. A robot, there's no interaction whatsoever. Turn the machine on and go. Going with what you say about circumstances, we as humans, still have the wonderful ability to make choices. Sometimes, those very choices create our circumstances.
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    I think that it shows the depravity of mankind,
    How is it depravity? Also, by which standard are you making this value judgement?
    If you don't see the depravity of having sex with a doll, over a human being...no amount of explanation on my part will help.
    Depravity deals in morals, and since there are often more than one set of moral view point in just about any topic we can think of, I ask that you give the rationale for classifying it as being depraved; and as such "depravity of mankind".

    Is it depraved to derive sexual pleasure with a common banana (used in a fashion to penetrate oneself and for oneself to penetrate into)?
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    I think that it shows the depravity of mankind,
    How is it depravity? Also, by which standard are you making this value judgement?
    If you don't see the depravity of having sex with a doll, over a human being...no amount of explanation on my part will help.
    Depravity deals in morals, and since there are often more than one set of moral view point in just about any topic we can think of, I ask that you give the rationale for classifying it as being depraved; and as such "depravity of mankind".

    Is it depraved to derive sexual pleasure with a common banana (used in a fashion that may be internally penetrative and for penetration)?
    I don't disagree, and have explained a bit more of my mindset, above, as for clarification. That said, if one prefers a banana over a human being, I would come to the likely conclusion that such a person had such morbidly unsatisfying sex with humans, that a banana would be considered a plausible substitute. And frankly, there's something sad about the idea of that. And that has nothing to do with morality, actually. I'm not a robot. Humans are not meant to function as robots or machines, on any level.
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    If you don't see the depravity of having sex with a doll, over a human being...no amount of explanation on my part will help.
    Does that mean you've never masturbated or that you think masturbation is deprived?
    lol I see nothing wrong with masturbation. But, if you scroll up, I inserted the word 'mainly.' If one is mainly turning to self, over wishing to have a sexually healthy relationship with another human (however that can be defined by the person)...that to me is where it become unhealthy. Studies have shown for example, women who 'prefer' their vibrators over their partners, struggle in their sexual relationships with their partners, because instead of showing the partner how to please them, they just turn to self. Nothing wrong with self pleasure, it's when it becomes someone's main form of sex, that it can become an unhealthy vice or outlet. Hope that better clarifies.
    So you do think masturbation is better than no sex at all?
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    If you don't see the depravity of having sex with a doll, over a human being...no amount of explanation on my part will help.
    Does that mean you've never masturbated or that you think masturbation is deprived?
    lol I see nothing wrong with masturbation. But, if you scroll up, I inserted the word 'mainly.' If one is mainly turning to self, over wishing to have a sexually healthy relationship with another human (however that can be defined by the person)...that to me is where it become unhealthy. Studies have shown for example, women who 'prefer' their vibrators over their partners, struggle in their sexual relationships with their partners, because instead of showing the partner how to please them, they just turn to self. Nothing wrong with self pleasure, it's when it becomes someone's main form of sex, that it can become an unhealthy vice or outlet. Hope that better clarifies.
    So you do think masturbation is better than no sex at all?
    Sometimes. From a strictly physical standpoint. Masturbation is actually a healthy activity, in moderation.
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    I don't disagree, and have explained a bit more of my mindset, above, as for clarification. That said, if one prefers a banana over a human being, I would come to the likely conclusion that such a person had such morbidly unsatisfying sex with humans, that a banana would be considered a plausible substitute.
    I shall take it that you meant it would be depraved for a substitute of any sort be used for sexual release if not for that one reason.

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    And frankly, there's something sad about the idea of that.
    Again, noted on your value judgment, and it is likely that there are others who do not share your perspective, hence it matters not what you and others who may share your perspective think about "their" personal life.


    If you can spare the time, I would still very much like like to hear your answers to the rest of the questions that I've asked.
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    I don't disagree, and have explained a bit more of my mindset, above, as for clarification. That said, if one prefers a banana over a human being, I would come to the likely conclusion that such a person had such morbidly unsatisfying sex with humans, that a banana would be considered a plausible substitute.
    I shall take it that you meant it would be depraved for a substitute of any sort be used for sexual release if not for that one reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    And frankly, there's something sad about the idea of that.
    Again, noted on your value judgment, and it is likely that there are others who do not share your perspective, hence it matters not what you and others who may share your perspective think about "their" personal life.


    If you can spare the time, I would still very much like like to hear your answers to the rest of the questions that I've asked.
    Not a value judgment. I don't begrudge anyone from doing whatever he/she wishes, as long as it hurts no one. But, it does have the propensity to hurt others. When done in excess, focus on self can be detrimental to not only ourselves, but those around us. So, if you're in a relationship, you wouldn't care if your significant other preferred a banana, over you? Ignoring your sexual needs, in order to gratify themselves in the way they preferred? We are not mechanical, we are human. Our humanity should make us wish to strive to be better people, not to become machine-like. Replacing people with machines in every capacity. This is what I believe. And you have brought morality into the discussion. This has nothing to do with morality, subjective or otherwise. It has to do with humanity.
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    Scooby, I will answer your other questions later, yes. But, just worth noting, sex is not all about mechanics. That is YOUR definition. And just as an aside, this isn't the first time you have accused me of having a value judgment (you did so in another thread a while back), when I'm merely stating an opinion. If you wish for me to engage in a dialogue with you, great, but if you wish to put words in my mouth, and then debate those inserted words, I won't engage with you.
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    Not a value judgment.
    I disagree. Using words and phrases such as "depravity of mankind" and "sad" are value judgments.

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    I don't begrudge anyone from doing whatever he/she wishes, as long as it hurts no one.
    If you have watched the video I've embedded in my earlier post, it would appear that "hurting" (intentional or otherwise) may be amusing to some.

    Sounds of giggles and laughter by what sounded like children and adults alike are present when the chimp orally raped the frog. Or does that case not qualify? We may excuse the children for their naivety, but the adults? Did the video bring about a smile, giggle, or laughter in anyone here? I certainly did; it was an instant reaction, even after realizing what the chimp was actually doing.

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    This is what I believe.
    Noted on your belief, and disregarded since I do not share it, particularly since you have yet to satisfactorily present a case establishing it as a "depravity of mankind". Rape, murder, and mass genocide can be and have been established as a form of depravity, but I have yet to read anything that can do the same for mechanically aided sexual pleasure. Is binge drinking a depravity of mankind?


    Edits: This topic has its earlier roots in the arts, and I think the following links may be of interest to some.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_(mythology)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agalmatophilia
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    Sure Id want one, Id tell it my fantasy is ~to go to the park with my family to trek in woodland paths and do arts/crafting and other activities while you sex robot clean the house etc.~

    (When we get androids able to do all that is mentioned, hopefully people will start waking up to the fact our current monetary economic system is a anachronistic relic.)

    ( dont worry about technological unemployment :

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    It is sad to think that robots are interchangeable with humans, in terms of love and sex. When a machine fails to function, we scrap it. When humans are ill (not functioning up to par) we don't scrap them. This is where this type of thinking however, is heading. It is a slippery slope. We are not like robots. Ironically, this thread reminds me of the movie, Her, starring Joaquin Phoenix. The main character 'falls in love' with his OS, and in the end, he realizes that a machine is simply not capable of providing the type of fulfillment that he so desired. Perhaps you should see it, Scooby. lol It is very clever, and speaks directly to the point of this thread. Can robots be a suitable replacement for human love? The answer is no. For a robot cannot love you back. It cannot feel anything at all. Even the coldest human being on earth, still feels.
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    For some reason, I can't see/open the video you've posted, Scooby. Nothing comes up at all when I click it.
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    Can robots be a suitable replacement for human love? The answer is no. For a robot cannot love you back. It cannot feel anything at all. Even the coldest human being on earth, still feels.
    If you are interested, this subtopic has been somewhat lightly touched on in the Japanese anime movie Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and in at least one of the episodes in the series OVA. Unreciprocated affection does not stay the longing for such affection even when one knows it will most likely never be realized.
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    Can robots be a suitable replacement for human love? The answer is no. For a robot cannot love you back. It cannot feel anything at all. Even the coldest human being on earth, still feels.
    If you are interested, this subtopic has been somewhat lightly touched on in the Japanese anime movie Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, and in at least one of the episodes in the series OVA. Unreciprocated affection does not stay the longing for such affection even when one knows it will most likely never be realized.
    Okay, I will view this. I will say one thing, and perhaps it needs to be 'said.' And perhaps, it will shed some light onto why I view things as I do. Or sometimes do. I was raised in a pretty conservative Christian home. I spent most of my adulthood, living as a Christian, to varying degrees. I always had a sense that Christian 'morality,' was not how I wished to view the world. But, it was an indoctrinated way of life for me. That said, I'm no longer Christian, and in fact, I hold an Agnostic stance on 'faith.' But, as I continue to explore life without the backdrop of Christianity, I'm coming into my own, so to speak, and more comfortable understanding views of others. So, perhaps, I do come across rigid at times, when it comes to topics like this. But, I enjoy a forum like this, because it affords me an opportunity to see someone else's view, even one that I couldn't ever imagine agreeing with, myself. So, for what it's worth, I will try to open my mind to at the very least, hearing others' opinions that differ from mine. And likewise, before you jump the gun, I ask you to do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    It is sad to think that robots are interchangeable with humans, in terms of love and sex. When a machine fails to function, we scrap it. When humans are ill (not functioning up to par) we don't scrap them. This is where this type of thinking however, is heading. It is a slippery slope. We are not like robots. Ironically, this thread reminds me of the movie, Her, starring Joaquin Phoenix. The main character 'falls in love' with his OS, and in the end, he realizes that a machine is simply not capable of providing the type of fulfillment that he so desired. Perhaps you should see it, Scooby. lol It is very clever, and speaks directly to the point of this thread. Can robots be a suitable replacement for human love? The answer is no. For a robot cannot love you back. It cannot feel anything at all. Even the coldest human being on earth, still feels.
    But a robot could be programed to express any emotions you might want it to. Where as a narcissistic sociopath uses emotions to control you or just plain dominate you. The robot will never do anything to hurt you, where the sociopath actually enjoys hurting you. A robot never comes with baggage for you to deal with, where all humans do come with baggage.

    You seem to think that not wanting to be in a relationship is not normal. But there are many good reasons why people might not want to be in a relationship for some period of time, and having some good alternatives for sexual release or gratification, besides prostitutes or gigolos sounds very good to me.

    I kind of like the idea of finding relationships without sex being the driving force or main reason for getting into the relationship.
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    Can robots be a suitable replacement for human love? The answer is no.
    Heres a few random thoughts:
    1- Apparently *some* people masturbate, so is anyone in love with their hand?
    Is it wrong to masturbate because it cant be the ideal substitute for human etc?

    2- A Wheel chair is not an ideal replacement for legs (human or robotic) because there are places where there are stairs and no ramp/elevator, if you and I have legs, should other people not have access to a wheel chair because its not useful for us?

    3- I have a bike and a car. They are complimentary, having one does not negate the usefulness of the other in the situations where it is suited.

    I agree that sex robots are not a replacement for humans, and we will have to be mindful and careful to avoid problems that could arise from such a new development, but It may have its uses.

    In some discussions about a moneyless economic system, some individuals object (in essence but not directly) or wonder ~hey, but if women are not desperate for money how can I, hrr I mean other people, how can they use the services of a prostitute since the people would (in theory if all goes as planned) be able to live fully without doing stuff they might not feel like doing? ~
    The sex robot could be a technical element in the array of solutions.
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    I never ever said that, Robot. Never. Never even inferred that not wanting a relationship is abnormal. In fact, I stated that I didn't think love and sex need to go together. I don't believe two people need to be in a relationship to have sex. Not sure where you got that from, that I suggested not wanting a relationship isn't normal.
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    Can robots be a suitable replacement for human love? The answer is no.
    Heres a few random thoughts:
    1- Apparently *some* people masturbate, so is anyone in love with their hand?
    Is it wrong to masturbate because it cant be the ideal substitute for human etc?

    2- A Wheel chair is not an ideal replacement for legs (human or robotic) because there are places where there are stairs and no ramp/elevator, if you and I have legs, should other people not have access to a wheel chair because its not useful for us?

    3- I have a bike and a car. They are complimentary, having one does not negate the usefulness of the other in the situations where it is suited.

    I agree that sex robots are not a replacement for humans, and we will have to be mindful and careful to avoid problems that could arise from such a new development, but It may have its uses.

    In some discussions about a moneyless economic system, some individuals object (in essence but not directly) or wonder ~hey, but if women are not desperate for money how can I, hrr I mean other people, how can they use the services of a prostitute since the people would (in theory if all goes as planned) be able to live fully without doing stuff they might not feel like doing? ~
    The sex robot could be a technical element in the array of solutions.
    Re: #1-think somewhere along the way we started blurring love and sex, the two are not mutually exclusive #2-Different functionality #3-Different functionality, and both are objects/machines for all intents and purposes. I liken that to comparing a manual cork bottle opener to an electric one. Both serve the same function, but at different rates of speed, and ease. BUT...I see why you're using the example. lol Your last sentence is very intriguing. But, solution for what? (just need clarity there)
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    So, for what it's worth, I will try to open my mind to at the very least, hearing others' opinions that differ from mine. And likewise, before you jump the gun, I ask you to do the same.
    One of the reasons why I've probed you with my questions is to determine how you assign values to different subject matter and how your opinion and value judgements come into play. The same goes for the few examples (such as the chimp with the frog, the banana, and binge drinking) I've brought up for your consideration. In understanding how you assign values and weigh the differences and similarities on the topic, I can attempt to work out how your moral and value system works in my study on Value Theory; which is why I have requested for your (detailed? and preferably step by step) rationale in classifying something as a "depravity of mankind".

    I can assure you that I have not jumped the gun, but I am very interested in how well you have rationalized and eventually justified something as to put it mildly "bad". Indoctrinated values are one of the hardest to self-evaluate due to the often lack of self-reflection required for their application. Reinforcing attitudes towards ideological values from our peers hinders this self-evaluation, and as time goes by, repetition of the values without a valid(?) foundation makes it one of the most commonly seen type of value judgements we will ever encounter.
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    But, solution for what? (just need clarity there)
    Solution for the sexual needs of people who are current/potential customers of prostitution or that have worries/questions-about-how-such-needs-could-be-met in a society where prostitution would mostly no longer exist as we know it today.
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    So, for what it's worth, I will try to open my mind to at the very least, hearing others' opinions that differ from mine. And likewise, before you jump the gun, I ask you to do the same.
    One of the reasons why I've probed you with my questions is to determine how you assign values to different subject matter and how your opinion and value judgements come into play. The same goes for the few examples (such as the chimp with the frog, the banana, and binge drinking) I've brought up for your consideration. In understanding how you assign values and weigh the differences and similarities on the topic, I can attempt to work out how your moral and value system works in my study on Value Theory; which is why I have requested for your (detailed? and preferably step by step) rationale in classifying something as a "depravity of mankind".

    I can assure you that I have not jumped the gun, but I am very interested in how well you have rationalized and eventually justified something as to put it mildly "bad". Indoctrinated values are one of the hardest to self-evaluate due to the often lack of self-reflection required for their application. Reinforcing attitudes towards ideological values from our peers hinders this self-evaluation, and as time goes by, repetition of the values without a valid(?) foundation makes it one of the most commonly seen type of value judgements we will ever encounter.
    Okay, fair enough. My reply to you is then as follows, and maybe this will help you see how I view the situations you have described. When I use the term 'depravity,' to me, it essentially means, how low will human kind sink, before we are no longer at all, altruistic in our nature. When we only care about our own well being, however that plays out, we are no longer altruistic. And thus, we can be led down a path of depravity. I don't believe depravity is a choice, necessarily. It can sometimes be the byproduct of a string of unhealthy choices that eventually cause us to live life without integrity and dignity. A life lived without dignity of self, causes us to eventually lose respect for those around us. If we do not respect ourselves, we will not respect others. Depravity sets in when we no longer view others with respect, only look out for ourselves, and lose our sense of altruism. So, that's my view. We are not robots. We created them. We should be careful to not place too high of a value on their usefulness.
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    My reply to you is then as follows, and maybe this will help you see how I view the situations you have described. When I use the term 'depravity,' to me, it essentially means, how low will human kind sink, before we are no longer at all, altruistic in our nature. When we only care about our own well being, however that plays out, we are no longer altruistic. And thus, we can be led down a path of depravity. I don't believe depravity is a choice, necessarily. It can sometimes be the byproduct of a string of unhealthy choices that eventually cause us to live life without integrity and dignity. A life lived without dignity of self, causes us to eventually lose respect for those around us. If we do not respect ourselves, we will not respect others. Depravity sets in when we no longer view others with respect, only look out for ourselves, and lose our sense of altruism. So, that's my view. We are not robots. We created them. We should be careful to not place too high of a value on their usefulness.
    You misunderstood my request. To understand how your moral and value system has spurred the statement/phrase "depravity of mankind", we will firstly need to know why mechanically aided (masturbatory) pleasure (such as romantic affection and/or sexual release) is viewed as "bad". To start things off...


    1. It is bad and/or I do not approve because _____a_____ ?
    2. _____a_____ is bad because _____b_____
    3. _____b_____ rest of the rationale that _____c_____
    4. So on and so forth.

    If the foundations on which this value judgment is made is shaky, the top most form of opinion is rendered invalid. One of the worse type of value judgment on the subjectivity of moral and value systems may be the Appeal to Nature fallacy. It may be uncommon, but it isn't necessarily "bad".
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    From New Scientist 15 February page 29

    A.I. researcher, David Levy, estimates that in another 40 years, robots will be built that are essentially indistinguishable from humans, and people will fall in love with them. Imagine a female robot built like a 20 year old Raquel Welch, or a male robot built like a 25 year old Errol Fynn. Programmed to be perpetually loving and compliant. Able to talk with its owner/lover and swap endearments, as well as engage in physical sex.

    How did he estimate that?

    Would you want one? Would you fall in love with it? Get married?

    Although it is hard to tell (as member TridentBlue already noted in post #5), I might purchase one if it is truly indistinguishable from humans (i.e. the correct skin and hair textures and temperatures, fluid motions of the muscles in the face, etc.), although I cannot imagine that I would fall in love with it, let alone marry it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    My reply to you is then as follows, and maybe this will help you see how I view the situations you have described. When I use the term 'depravity,' to me, it essentially means, how low will human kind sink, before we are no longer at all, altruistic in our nature. When we only care about our own well being, however that plays out, we are no longer altruistic. And thus, we can be led down a path of depravity. I don't believe depravity is a choice, necessarily. It can sometimes be the byproduct of a string of unhealthy choices that eventually cause us to live life without integrity and dignity. A life lived without dignity of self, causes us to eventually lose respect for those around us. If we do not respect ourselves, we will not respect others. Depravity sets in when we no longer view others with respect, only look out for ourselves, and lose our sense of altruism. So, that's my view. We are not robots. We created them. We should be careful to not place too high of a value on their usefulness.
    You misunderstood my request. To understand how your moral and value system has spurred the statement/phrase "depravity of mankind", we will firstly need to know why mechanically aided (masturbatory) pleasure (such as romantic affection and/or sexual release) is viewed as "bad". To start things off...
    1. It is bad and/or I do not approve because _____a_____ ?
    2. _____a_____ is bad because _____b_____
    3. _____b_____ rest of the rationale that _____c_____
    4. So on and so forth.
    If the foundations on which this value judgment is made is shaky, the top most form of opinion is rendered invalid. One of the worse type of value judgment on the subjectivity of moral and value systems may be the Appeal to Nature fallacy. It may be uncommon, but it isn't necessarily "bad".
    You are suggesting I think it's bad, I stated above that I liken it to people who choose masturbation with or without porn, as the main component of their sexual experiences. If people prefer robots, dolls, porn, etc...over a live human being...it speaks more to the fact that they've grown perhaps accustomed to self pleasure, and have developed an inward way of viewing sex. Men who are addicted to porn, often speak of the fact that they found it difficult to have a healthy sexual relationship with their significant others, because they viewed sex as merely a means of meeting their own needs. Again, we are speaking of addiction. Sex isn't merely a means of self gratification. Are we watering down the meaning of sex to such an extent?
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    people who choose masturbation with or without porn, as the main component of their sexual experiences. If people prefer robots, dolls, porn, etc...over a live human being...
    You appear to imply that people that masturbate, or that would use robots, would not rather have sex with a human being if they had the chance, and indirectly, that they ought not to experience sexual pleasure unless they had a human being (which could be a "human" prostitute?), and also appear to imply that sex with a human is mutually exclusive/cannot occur if alternate experiences exist/coexist in the mix of possibilities (either or, as opposed to complimentary for some).

    "Sex isn't merely a means of self gratification."
    Thats true, its not "only" sexual pleasure, but sexual pleasure is a part of it. A fine dining experience with smooth music in great company with exquisite dishes is more than just ingesting nutriments, but if you are starving you just might eat before the occasion for a great evening at the restaurant presents itself? (which doesnt mean someone prefers a dry cracker cookie to a sumptuous evening in a fine restaurant )
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    ... people who choose masturbation with or without porn, as the main component of their sexual experiences. If people prefer robots, dolls, porn, etc...over a live human being...it speaks more to the fact that they've grown perhaps accustomed to self pleasure, and have developed an inward way of viewing sex. Men who are addicted to porn, often speak of the fact that they found it difficult to have a healthy sexual relationship with their significant others, because they viewed sex as merely a means of meeting their own needs.
    Do correct me if I've gotten any of the above incorrectly.

    "The act of choosing sexual release through masturbation (mechanically aided or otherwise) is objectionable because they have perhaps grown accustomed to self pleasure, and that affects them possibly having a "healthy" sexual relationship with their significant others, in which they see sexual release of a non-human nature to be preferable."

    Is the above about right?

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    Sex isn't merely a means of self gratification.
    "It pleases me that you are pleased", "I'm happy that you are happy", "I'm satisfied that you are satisfied" isn't a form of self-gratification? Our motivation to act at all relies on it.

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    Are we watering down the meaning of sex to such an extent?
    On a science forum, we may have to if we are to glean any useful information from a discussion such as this. If you have the time, I invite you to read a little of the content in the two links I've provided in post #59.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
    Do correct me if I've gotten any of the above incorrectly.

    "The act of choosing sexual release through masturbation (mechanically aided or otherwise) is objectionable because they have perhaps grown accustomed to self pleasure, and that affects them possibly having a "healthy" sexual relationship with their significant others, in which they see sexual release of a non-human nature to be preferable."

    Is the above about right?
    Actions speak louder than words. If I'm dating a guy, and he prefers masturbation more often than not, I'd say it's safe to assume, he prefers it. lol You make things more complicated than they need be.

    "It pleases me that you are pleased", "I'm happy that you are happy", "I'm satisfied that you are satisfied" isn't a form of self-gratification? Our motivation to act at all relies on it.
    So if your significant other ''replaced'' you sexually with say...to use your words above...a banana? You'd be content merely knowing she was ....gratified? Aw, that's true love.

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    Are we watering down the meaning of sex to such an extent?
    On a science forum, we may have to if we are to glean any useful information from a discussion such as this. If you have the time, I invite you to read a little of the content in the two links I've provided in post #59.[/QUOTE]I'm having a hard time opening links today, I will perhaps be able to open them through my phone. :/ I will view them, rest assure. (and thank you for posting them)
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    I get te feeling that wegs and other contributors to this discussion see robots as crude maturbation machines. The reference I quoted talked of robots 40 years from now, which would be essentially indistinguishable from humans, except in being better.

    These robots will not be just masturbation machines. They will walk with you, talk with you, swap endearments, engage in gentle foreplay, initiate sexual activity, show concern for your well being, show affection and so on. In terms of touch, they will feel fully human. In terms of emotional engagement, there will be no difference. In terms of caring for you, and providing a thoroughly passionate sexual experience, they will be better than human.

    Personally, I think that when robots reach that level of perfection, people will fall in love with them. The New Scientist item suggested people would end up marrying their robots. We already know that children end up loving robot toys, and they are not even remotely human looking. Eventually, I think the human capacity for love will embrace robots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    I get te feeling that wegs and other contributors to this discussion see robots as crude maturbation machines. The reference I quoted talked of robots 40 years from now, which would be essentially indistinguishable from humans, except in being better.

    These robots will not be just masturbation machines. They will walk with you, talk with you, swap endearments, engage in gentle foreplay, initiate sexual activity, show concern for your well being, show affection and so on. In terms of touch, they will feel fully human. In terms of emotional engagement, there will be no difference. In terms of caring for you, and providing a thoroughly passionate sexual experience, they will be better than human.

    Personally, I think that when robots reach that level of perfection, people will fall in love with them. The New Scientist item suggested people would end up marrying their robots. We already know that children end up loving robot toys, and they are not even remotely human looking. Eventually, I think the human capacity for love will embrace robots.
    40 years from now or 400 years from now, a robot will only be as good as its programmer. In essence, that's who people will be falling in love with...the designer. Not the design. Robots do not and will not and CANNOT... 'evolve.' Computer programming will just become more sophisticated. Put lipstick on a pig, and it's still a pig. No matter how far technology advances, robots will always be robots, programmed by humans. In before ''robots are people, too'' is coined.
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    engage in gentle foreplay
    Hot damn!
    You mean robots will eventually be able to generate their own character sheets for a game of D&D?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
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    Do correct me if I've gotten any of the above incorrectly.

    "The act of choosing sexual release through masturbation (mechanically aided or otherwise) is objectionable because they have perhaps grown accustomed to self pleasure, and that affects them possibly having a "healthy" sexual relationship with their significant others, in which they see sexual release of a non-human nature to be preferable."

    Is the above about right?
    Actions speak louder than words. If I'm dating a guy, and he prefers masturbation more often than not, I'd say it's safe to assume, he prefers it.
    That's the thing, we aren't talking about you, especially more so on whether the person is currently in a relationship with another, whether he/she wants to be in one, etc. We are simply talking about a person (or "a guy" if you perfer); a blank slate and nothing else. The word "healthy" brings along with it a whole lot of baggage depending on unknown conditions. We may prefer that he/she finds a significant individual to pair up with, but what we may or may not prefer he/she does has no bearing on what he/she prefers; especially more so when concerning their sexual appetites which does not involve another party.

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    So if your significant other ''replaced'' you sexually with say...to use your words above...a banana? You'd be content merely knowing she was ....gratified? Aw, that's true love.
    Again, you appear to have in mind that this person whomever he/she is; being in a pre-existing and current relationship or desires to be in one begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
    I get te feeling that wegs and other contributors to this discussion see robots as crude maturbation machines. The reference I quoted talked of robots 40 years from now, which would be essentially indistinguishable from humans, except in being better.

    These robots will not be just masturbation machines. They will walk with you, talk with you, swap endearments, engage in gentle foreplay, initiate sexual activity, show concern for your well being, show affection and so on. In terms of touch, they will feel fully human. In terms of emotional engagement, there will be no difference. In terms of caring for you, and providing a thoroughly passionate sexual experience, they will be better than human.

    Personally, I think that when robots reach that level of perfection, people will fall in love with them. The New Scientist item suggested people would end up marrying their robots. We already know that children end up loving robot toys, and they are not even remotely human looking. Eventually, I think the human capacity for love will embrace robots.
    Actually, I did not when reading your OP. But it appears that not matter what life-like appearance these robots take, there are bound to be obstacles in granting them personhood status in legal terms if we are talking about marriage.
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    Maybe those who love robots more then humans will be gradually replaced by those who prefer humans, in a Darwinian sense?
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    Do correct me if I've gotten any of the above incorrectly.

    "The act of choosing sexual release through masturbation (mechanically aided or otherwise) is objectionable because they have perhaps grown accustomed to self pleasure, and that affects them possibly having a "healthy" sexual relationship with their significant others, in which they see sexual release of a non-human nature to be preferable."

    Is the above about right?
    Actions speak louder than words. If I'm dating a guy, and he prefers masturbation more often than not, I'd say it's safe to assume, he prefers it.
    That's the thing, we aren't talking about you, especially more so on whether the person is currently in a relationship with another, whether he/she wants to be in one, etc. We are simply talking about a person (or "a guy" if you perfer); a blank slate and nothing else. The word "healthy" brings along with it a whole lot of baggage depending on unknown conditions. We may prefer that he/she finds a significant individual to pair up with, but what we may or may not prefer he/she does has no bearing on what he/she prefers; especially more so when concerning their sexual appetites which does not involve another party.

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    So if your significant other ''replaced'' you sexually with say...to use your words above...a banana? You'd be content merely knowing she was ....gratified? Aw, that's true love.
    Again, you appear to have in mind that this person whomever he/she is; being in a pre-existing and current relationship or desires to be in one begin with.
    Your desire to continue to reply to me with words I didn't say, is rendering me unwilling to continue having a dialogue with you. I said (a few times now) that I don't believe a relationship is necessary or a required precursor to having (gratifying) sex. Nor do I believe that masturbation is 'bad,' or unhealthy. I believe that if we rely on robots for our sexual gratification, we will reap what we sow. Whether you accept it or not, putting robots on remotely the same level as a human being, will create consequences. I think we can even see that with how many job roles have been displaced or eliminated in our society, because of technology. Technology is great, progress is a beautiful thing. But, we need to remember that they were created to use, not to enslave us. Be mindful to not consider robots interchangeable with humans. It's a slippery slope, you know.......................... While you make some good points, you are unable to refrain from stating things as if I've stated them, then arguing with me over them. lol I don't play that silly game. There's only so many times I will post...''I never said that,'' before I realize the person might not be interested in a genuine dialogue with me, after all. FWIW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    Your desire to continue to reply to me with words I didn't say, is rendering me unwilling to continue having a dialogue with you.

    ...

    While you make some good points, you are unable to refrain from stating things as if I've stated them, then arguing with me over them. lol I don't play that silly game. There's only so many times I will post...''I never said that,'' before I realize the person might not be interested in a genuine dialogue with me, after all.
    Noted, you may discontinue any time you wish.

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    I said (a few times now) that I don't believe a relationship is necessary or a required precursor to having (gratifying) sex.
    And I have not hinted that you did.

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    Nor do I believe that masturbation is 'bad,' or unhealthy.
    Again, I did not say that you did. What I said is bolded below and the essential wording coloured.

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    ... people who choose masturbation with or without porn, as the main component of their sexual experiences. If people prefer robots, dolls, porn, etc...over a live human being...it speaks more to the fact that they've grown perhaps accustomed to self pleasure, and have developed an inward way of viewing sex. Men who are addicted to porn, often speak of the fact that they found it difficult to have a healthy sexual relationship with their significant others, because they viewed sex as merely a means of meeting their own needs.
    Do correct me if I've gotten any of the above incorrectly.

    "The act of choosing sexual release through masturbation (mechanically aided or otherwise) is objectionable because they have perhaps grown accustomed to self pleasure, and that affects them possibly having a "healthy" sexual relationship with their significant others, in which they see sexual release of a non-human nature to be preferable."

    Is the above about right?
    May I ask what ran through your mind as your wrote your reply to my post after reading it the first time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    Maybe those who love robots more then humans will be gradually replaced by those who prefer humans, in a Darwinian sense?
    Every couple should have a pair of robots to fill in for those times when they desire sex on a different frequency from their partner. No need for the headache excuse to ever kick in. Might be some interesting three or foursomes.
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    Here is a scenario for a distant future. Robots as sex partners, and for companionship have become so good that we reject other humans. Each person has one or more robots as sex toys and as life companions, and never wants to see any other of those disagreeable humans. Sperm is easily collected by the female robots, and any woman who wants a child will ask the central computer to describe a selection of possible donors. Insemination is via the male robot. They might even have artificial wombs by then. There will definitely be nannybots able to take the hard work out of motherhood.

    A male robot, of course, is the ideal sex toy for a single woman even in the near future (as opposed to my alternative above) since she can have all the sex she wants with no risk of pregnancy or disease. Of course, it might make a real human look very inadequate by comparison.
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    "The true man wants two things, danger and play. For that reason, man wants woman, the most dangerous of okay things." Robots that bend to my every will? Where's the sport in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    "The true man wants two things, danger and play. For that reason, man wants woman, the most dangerous of okay things." Robots that bend to my every will? Where's the sport in that?
    If I recall correctly you are more interested in results rather than sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
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    ... people who choose masturbation with or without porn, as the main component of their sexual experiences. If people prefer robots, dolls, porn, etc...over a live human being...it speaks more to the fact that they've grown perhaps accustomed to self pleasure, and have developed an inward way of viewing sex. Men who are addicted to porn, often speak of the fact that they found it difficult to have a healthy sexual relationship with their significant others, because they viewed sex as merely a means of meeting their own needs.
    Do correct me if I've gotten any of the above incorrectly.

    "The act of choosing sexual release through masturbation (mechanically aided or otherwise) is objectionable because they have perhaps grown accustomed to self pleasure, and that affects them possibly having a "healthy" sexual relationship with their significant others, in which they see sexual release of a non-human nature to be preferable."

    Is the above about right?
    May I ask what ran through your mind as your wrote your reply to my post after reading it the first time?[/QUOTE]''Healthy'' meaning...not depraved. Oh dear. We're back to square one.
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    And yes, that's about right. The use of the word 'perhaps,' makes it reasonable. Yes. What went through my head the first time, was...is he inferring that I believe all people need to be in relationships in order to have sex? To which I replied that I didn't feel that way, and it felt like you were insinuating I felt that way. No hard feelings, it's a debate. And if we all responded alike...well then...we'd all be ...robots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
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    If you don't see the depravity of having sex with a doll, over a human being...no amount of explanation on my part will help.
    Does that mean you've never masturbated or that you think masturbation is deprived?
    lol I see nothing wrong with masturbation. But, if you scroll up, I inserted the word 'mainly.' If one is mainly turning to self, over wishing to have a sexually healthy relationship with another human (however that can be defined by the person)...that to me is where it become unhealthy. Studies have shown for example, women who 'prefer' their vibrators over their partners, struggle in their sexual relationships with their partners, because instead of showing the partner how to please them, they just turn to self. Nothing wrong with self pleasure, it's when it becomes someone's main form of sex, that it can become an unhealthy vice or outlet. Hope that better clarifies.
    So you do think masturbation is better than no sex at all?
    Yep
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    I want a robot man to hold me tight
    One that I can count on every si-ingle night
    He wouldn't run around like other guys
    I wouldn't have to listen to his alibis

    A little robot man to call my own
    I'd never have to worry that he wou-ouldn't phone
    He'd never dance with anyone but me
    I'd just have to wind him with a robot key

    I'd have a steady da-ate (yay-yay-yay-yay)
    Seven nights a wee-eek (yay-yay-yay-yay)
    And we would never fi-ight (yay-yay-yay-yay)
    'Cause it would be impossible for him to speak

    Don't want a real live boy, they give me grief
    Always make me cry into my ha-andkerchief
    So it's a robot man I'm dreamin' of
    Because I can depend upon a robot love, yeah

    Mmm, we'd have a steady da-ate (yay-yay-yay-yay)
    Seven nights a wee-eek (yay-yay-yay-yay)
    And we would never fi-ight (yay-yay-yay-yay)
    'Cause it would be impossible for him to speak

    Don't want a real live boy, they give me grief
    Always make me cry into a ha-andkerchief
    So it's a robot man I'm dreamin' of
    Because I can depend upon a robot love
    Yeah, just hope I can depend upon a robot love
    I mean, because I can depend upon a robot love
    Do-oo, because I can depend upon a robot love
    Oh-oh, just hope I can depend upon a robot love
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    Then we just have to wait for Robosexuality to be made illegal.
    Right after this goes through?

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    Soon we will have 3d printers and you can program and print yourself a copy of every sexual fantasy you've ever had. Make the material recyclable and you have a winner.
    "Art is the creation of that which evokes an emotional response, leading to thoughts of the noblest kind" (W4U)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Write4U View Post
    Soon we will have 3d printers and you can program and print yourself a copy of every sexual fantasy you've ever had. Make the material recyclable and you have a winner.
    It ain't th rel deal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    Soon we will have 3d printers and you can program and print yourself a copy of every sexual fantasy you've ever had. Make the material recyclable and you have a winner.
    It ain't th rel deal!
    And it needn't be.

    One of the few psychological related topic are reactive roleplaying whereby the partaker enacts out fantasy scenarios with an life-like and life-size hi-tech marionette in aiding sexual release, whereby the partaker is (more of less) in control of the setting and flow of his/her masturbatory activities, etc. The marionette serves the function of a "mirror" whereby the partaker projects a simulated personality onto the it (with the assistance of highly sophisticated VI programming), and allow it to (in the mind of the owner) be the type of "person" he/she desires it to be.

    The ability to project a simulated personality concocted from one's imagination seems highly evident when owners talk to the otherwise inanimate objects (such as both children and adults with their favorite named stuffed animal) and of animate objects (ranging from common household appliances to vehicular transportation) that misbehaves. I suspect something similar may be utilized when people commune with the "dead" during funerals and/or visit graves of close friends and relatives. On a certain level, the awareness that they aren't really speaking to the deceased is submerged to allow the mind a form of escape from reality, but this mode is rarely persistent; or is it? If we take into consideration the way this seems to be enacted in spiritual/religious practices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
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    Soon we will have 3d printers and you can program and print yourself a copy of every sexual fantasy you've ever had. Make the material recyclable and you have a winner.
    It ain't th rel deal!
    And it needn't be.

    One of the few psychological related topic are reactive roleplaying whereby the partaker enacts out fantasy scenarios with an life-like and life-size hi-tech marionette in aiding sexual release, whereby the partaker is (more of less) in control of the setting and flow of his/her masturbatory activities, etc. The marionette serves the function of a "mirror" whereby the partaker projects a simulated personality onto the it (with the assistance of highly sophisticated VI programming), and allow it to (in the mind of the owner) be the type of "person" he/she desires it to be.

    The ability to project a simulated personality concocted from one's imagination seems highly evident when owners talk to the otherwise inanimate objects (such as both children and adults with their favorite named stuffed animal) and of animate objects (ranging from common household appliances to vehicular transportation) that misbehaves. I suspect something similar may be utilized when people commune with the "dead" during funerals and/or visit graves of close friends and relatives. On a certain level, the awareness that they aren't really speaking to the deceased is submerged to allow the mind a form of escape from reality, but this mode is rarely persistent; or is it? If we take into consideration the way this seems to be enacted in spiritual/religious practices.
    I have no problem with Masturbation. IT IS NORMAL! I however prefer the real experience to an assimilated one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I have no problem with Masturbation. IT IS NORMAL! I however prefer the real experience to an assimilated one!
    As with wegs, this isn't about your, her's, or my preferences for the more intimate affairs of their personal life. It is about the people who may otherwise prefer it, and it is still ultimately within their purview of what they personally prefer. Our objections (if any) are nothing more than value judgments, similar to some elder folks who prefer reading novels with the crisp touch of paper to others who may favor reading from an ebook reader type device.
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