Thread: Er....

I'll put this in behaviour & psychology because the subject clearly reflects someone's (or several someones') psychology:
Nigerian scientist proves (through physics, biology and mathematics) that gay marriage is wrong.

Apart from the sheer stupidity of the individual (and the reporter, oh and the editor) doesn't this also reflect on the state of, er education, in Nigeria?
I mean:
"I have also been able to prove that the mathematical symbol pi which people thought of as 22 over 7 is not actually 22 over 7"
Wait, we didn't already know that?
Or:
"I also proved that watching television in the dark impacts negatively on one’s eyes and by God’s grace, I was the first person to use scientific instruments to prove it in the whole world".
I wonder when he did that - "The Nigerian Television Authority (NTA) featured me on this in one of their programmes on January 12, 2013".
So, anyone like, say Lighting Research Center of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute who said it in 2006 was wrong?
Or even common "knowledge" - I was told "don't watch TV without lights because you'll strain your eyes" in the 60s!

Remind me not send my kids to Nigeria for a science education.

ER....


just couldn't resist Sir Duckness

so *chuckle* what are you going to pull?

Umm, I was hoping that was satire. Well, being an ophidiophile I'd probably end up in Gabon way before Nigeria. I think Nigeria's gonna have to struggle along without my help. I don't think I'll be going there any time soon.

Originally Posted by GiantEvil

Umm, I was hoping that was satire. Well, being an ophidiophile I'd probably end up in Gabon way before Nigeria. I think Nigeria's gonna have to struggle along without my help. I don't think I'll be going there any time soon.

You were replying to?????

this was why nations of Sodom and Gomora were destroyed by God because they were into gay practice

Why does this person think that they're a scientist?

Originally Posted by Daecon

this was why nations of Sodom and Gomora were destroyed by God because they were into gay practice

Why does this person think that they're a scientist?

The even more damning question is: why does his university think he's a scientist?

Yep, this is Africa people. I spend a lot of time laughing at creationists and all sorts of quacks in the western world, but Africa is no laughing matter. Major politicians, even in my country, regularly still consult traditional healers, etc, etc, etc, etc.

It is freaking depressing. I very much want to emigrate.

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by Daecon

this was why nations of Sodom and Gomora were destroyed by God because they were into gay practice

Why does this person think that they're a scientist?

The even more damning question is: why does his university think he's a scientist?

Or why does this news site think this is worth mentioning on their web page?

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Or why does this news site think this is worth mentioning on their web page?

That's a different question altogether.
People think Miley Cyrus "twerking" is newsworthy, so this particular story doesn't push any boundaries.

"To start with, physics is one of the most fundamentals of all the sciences and I used two bar magnets in my research."
That made me laugh out loud.
Comedy genius!

And who would have thought that rampant homophobia could be so closely linked to abject ignorance.

Originally Posted by RedPanda

And who would have thought that rampant homophobia could be so closely linked to abject ignorance.

Homophobic people miss many things in life. Brain cells, for example.

I agree with former candidate for Texas Governor, comedian and musician, Kinky Freidman...when asked what his views about gay marriage were, without even removing the cigar from his mouth, he said "I'm all for it, they have the right to be just as miserable as the rest of us"

http://Kinky Friedman, They Ain't Ma... Jesus Anymore

I wish I could say this was shocking, but consider where it comes from...

Originally Posted by sculptor

http://Kinky Friedman, They Ain't Ma... Jesus Anymore

Reposted

(NSFW lyrics)

thanx

This points to what I was saying in the Big Foot thread (pseudoscience section) relevant to how people read something quickly, and they interpret the article as having validity and credibility. Many will read this and see 'scientist' and assume it must be a valid and credible news source. Meanwhile, it's not. Meanwhile, it's homophobic OPINION being passed off as some sort of fact. Ignorance isn't only being 'taught' in other countries; it's being taught in the US, too.

Whenever something starts with "Scientist say". I usually dismiss it as opinion or advertising.

I find it entertaining to deconstruct a phrase and replace the subject with it's opposite.
If it don't sound odd, then maybe saving the original is worthwhile.

Originally Posted by KALSTER

Yep, this is Africa people. I spend a lot of time laughing at creationists and all sorts of quacks in the western world, but Africa is no laughing matter. Major politicians, even in my country, regularly still consult traditional healers, etc, etc, etc, etc.

It is freaking depressing. I very much want to emigrate.

*S* Folk Medicine, I call it.

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Or why does this news site think this is worth mentioning on their web page?

That's a different question altogether.
People think Miley Cyrus "twerking" is newsworthy, so this particular story doesn't push any boundaries.

I don't think Miley Cyrus is worth mentioning, period.

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Originally Posted by RedPanda

And who would have thought that rampant homophobia could be so closely linked to abject ignorance.

Homophobic people miss many things in life. Brain cells, for example.

And the ability to expand their horizons, and find the good in each individual.

Originally Posted by wegs

This points to what I was saying in the Big Foot thread (pseudoscience section) relevant to how people read something quickly, and they interpret the article as having validity and credibility. Many will read this and see 'scientist' and assume it must be a valid and credible news source. Meanwhile, it's not. Meanwhile, it's homophobic OPINION being passed off as some sort of fact. Ignorance isn't only being 'taught' in other countries; it's being taught in the US, too.

You've Got To Be Carefully Taught from South Pacific-1949 on Columbia. - YouTube

from "South Pacific" 1958

the song is called "Carefully Taught"

Originally Posted by babe

and find the good in each individual.

Ah, another widely-accepted myth.

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by babe

and find the good in each individual.

Ah, another widely-accepted myth.

Oh come on Dywyddyr. Everybody dies at some point. That's good isn't it?

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by babe

and find the good in each individual.

Ah, another widely-accepted myth.

Won't agree with you on this one Sir Ducky. I have met few people without a redeeming quality of some type.
To get on my bad side takes work.

Originally Posted by seagypsy

Oh come on Dywyddyr. Everybody dies at some point. That's good isn't it?

But not soon enough.
And then they're no longer people.

Originally Posted by babe

To get on my bad side takes work.

A lot of work, I can tell you. One must put great effort into forming a long and complex series of 'demeaning and rude' accusations such as seen here:

Originally Posted by Neverfly:
Your wording got in the way on this one.

If that doesn't set a person off- nothing will.

Perhaps, then, GOD created AIDS. jocular

Originally Posted by jocular

Perhaps, then, GOD created AIDS. jocular

assuming there is one?

Originally Posted by jocular

Perhaps, then, GOD created AIDS. jocular

Who created the Homosexual?

Gods Recipe book:
H... Let's see... Homo Habilus, Homo Erectus... Ah, here it is! HomoSexual.
Ingredients:
1 rainbow (plucked to remove leprechauns)
1 cup of happy
1 teaspoon estrogen
4 tablespoons rosemary
5 gallons testosterone
2 pounds of h'aaayyy
3 shots tequila
1 silly goose, boneless, chopped and cubed (some prefer bone-in)

First, pound the meat to get it really tender.
Combine fluids in a mixing bowl and beat thoroughly.
Add rosemary and simmer for ten minutes. As this simmers, cut the rainbow into strips and pan fry. Crumble and mix into simmering ingredients. Roll the silly goose in the h'aaayyyy. A limp wristed action works best.
Use a turkey baster and...

oh wow...

Let's skip that step. Just get the simmered ingredients to the meat uhhh... use your imagination.

Bake in a tanning bed four hours. If prepared properly, you should be able to taste the rainbow.


(To all readers- offense is neither intended nor hoped for. It is intended as light and gay humor. Oh hell, that's the old use of the word gay. Oh well, whatever.)

Nigeria: a Libertarian paradise!

What do you get when you combine abject poverty with civil unrest?

Comedy gold! Or at least an opportunity to feel superior.

(off topic) Niss...what is that you're holding in your hand in your avatar pic?

Originally Posted by MacGyver1968

(off topic) Niss...what is that you're holding in your hand in your avatar pic?

It's a praying mantis who showed up in our camp one day. There's something green behind her so she doesn't show up very clearly in the tiny pic.

ok...I see it now.

post a bigger picture?

Originally Posted by sculptor

post a bigger picture?

...Of the mantis...

yes

The mantis, unfortunately, is out of focus...

Originally Posted by babe

Originally Posted by GiantEvil

Umm, I was hoping that was satire. Well, being an ophidiophile I'd probably end up in Gabon way before Nigeria. I think Nigeria's gonna have to struggle along without my help. I don't think I'll be going there any time soon.

You were replying to?????

Not you.

Originally Posted by KALSTER

I very much want to emigrate.

Collectively, this is something an electronic community might be able to accomplish. Being an American, I recommend emigrating to the UK.

Originally Posted by Nisslbody

Nigeria: a Libertarian paradise!

What do you get when you combine abject poverty with civil unrest?

What excuse is there for Americans with similar beliefs?

Originally posted by Giant Evil:

Being an American, I recommend emigrating to the UK.

@ Kalster
Being a Canadian, I would recommend many parts of this nation as being quite tolerable and tolerant. We have our share of homophobes (and racists, sexists etc.) yet much of our legislation makes discrimination illegal and in my observation, the younger generations are far more welcoming than previous ones of individual differences. I look for this learning curve to continue.

That, and in my reading of your posts at this forum, you come across as a thoughtful and balanced personality as one would expect in a moderator. Then again, you could just be devilishly good at acting the part, lol...

Originally Posted by Alec Bing

Originally Posted by Nisslbody

Nigeria: a Libertarian paradise!

What do you get when you combine abject poverty with civil unrest?

What excuse is there for Americans with similar beliefs?

Is holding homophobic beliefs not inexcusable, regardless of the nationality?

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Originally Posted by Alec Bing

Originally Posted by Nisslbody

Nigeria: a Libertarian paradise!

What do you get when you combine abject poverty with civil unrest?

What excuse is there for Americans with similar beliefs?

Is holding homophobic beliefs not inexcusable, regardless of the nationality?

Ignorance, it would seem, is pandemic.

cogito: you would be intolerant of fear?

Originally Posted by sculptor

you would be intolerant of fear?

Depends upon the actions that fear causes us to take. Fear can keep you alive, but fear can drive you to lash out at that which you don't understand.

Fear itself is irrelevant.

so it isn't the homophobia itself you would not excuse?

ergo my response to "Is holding homophobic beliefs not inexcusable,..."

most social fear is irrational .
following that the point is to not confront the fear as a third person
(black box effect)

My grandfather used to say that the only thing to fear is fear itself because it causes us to react from an emotional basis, not a factual or logical one.

fear is a continuum from mildly afraid, to terrified.
generally, is/are phobia(s) assumed to be toward the terror side?

terror can lead to panic?
if so then the following applies?

The most dangerous man is one who is on the edge of panic.
He is a loose canon.
It is hard to know what he will do next, but it's gonna be damned fast and dangerous.

if so, then
Far better to excuse mild phobias rather than polarize the situation?

...........................
which brings us 'round to
despair the action, educate the phobia

Originally Posted by sculptor

cogito: you would be intolerant of fear?

No. I think that intolerance towards and fear from homosexual people caused by ignorance and/or one's (religious) beliefs, is not excusable.

I wonder if the majority of those who speak against homosexuality genuinely fear it or hate it or both. I think some fear it but display it as hate because they are afraid fear will be an indicator of underlying homosexual urges they are trying to keep secret. Others hate it but out of shame of being a bigot they claim they have a rational reason to fear them. And some people are honest and admit to fear and hatred based on some "moral" code.

None of it makes any sense to me. All my life I have been completely apathetic to homosexuality because it had nothing to do with me. Heterosexuality has nothing to do with me either. I think it's kind of odd that we label ourselves according to who we are normally attracted to. So I have never been attracted to a woman. But there are also plenty of men who I am not attracted to either. If I were an absolute heterosexual, wouldn't htat mean I am attracted to all men?

We are attracted to pheromones. It just so happens that the pheromones I am attracted to I have only encountered with men, and only a few at that. We are no different than any other animal. Blind fold me, tie my hands behind my back and put me in a room full of silent women that smell like Neverfly after he has been working on a car while I am ovulating and I'm likely to feel extremely uncomfortable... or comfortable... well I am bound to feel something strange anyway.

Originally Posted by seagypsy

...We are attracted to pheromones. ...

fersure

Originally Posted by scheherazade

Originally posted by Giant Evil:

Being an American, I recommend emigrating to the UK.

@ Kalster
Being a Canadian, I would recommend many parts of this nation as being quite tolerable and tolerant. We have our share of homophobes (and racists, sexists etc.) yet much of our legislation makes discrimination illegal and in my observation, the younger generations are far more welcoming than previous ones of individual differences. I look for this learning curve to continue.

That, and in my reading of your posts at this forum, you come across as a thoughtful and balanced personality as one would expect in a moderator. Then again, you could just be devilishly good at acting the part, lol...

They have them in every country!

Kalster would be a welcome addition to any of our countries.

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Originally Posted by Alec Bing

Originally Posted by Nisslbody

Nigeria: a Libertarian paradise!

What do you get when you combine abject poverty with civil unrest?

What excuse is there for Americans with similar beliefs?

Is holding homophobic beliefs not inexcusable, regardless of the nationality?

Absolutely!

Originally Posted by seagypsy

I wonder if the majority of those who speak against homosexuality genuinely fear it or hate it or both. I think some fear it but display it as hate because they are afraid fear will be an indicator of underlying homosexual urges they are trying to keep secret. Others hate it but out of shame of being a bigot they claim they have a rational reason to fear them. And some people are honest and admit to fear and hatred based on some "moral" code.

None of it makes any sense to me. All my life I have been completely apathetic to homosexuality because it had nothing to do with me. Heterosexuality has nothing to do with me either. I think it's kind of odd that we label ourselves according to who we are normally attracted to. So I have never been attracted to a woman. But there are also plenty of men who I am not attracted to either. If I were an absolute heterosexual, wouldn't htat mean I am attracted to all men?

We are attracted to pheromones. It just so happens that the pheromones I am attracted to I have only encountered with men, and only a few at that. We are no different than any other animal. Blind fold me, tie my hands behind my back and put me in a room full of silent women that smell like Neverfly after he has been working on a car while I am ovulating and I'm likely to feel extremely uncomfortable... or comfortable... well I am bound to feel something strange anyway.

If I were NF right now, I'd be checking the hell out of the calender, and doing a completely unnecessary oil change.

Originally Posted by seagypsy

I wonder if the majority of those who speak against homosexuality genuinely fear it or hate it or both. I think some fear it but display it as hate because they are afraid fear will be an indicator of underlying homosexual urges they are trying to keep secret. Others hate it but out of shame of being a bigot they claim they have a rational reason to fear them. And some people are honest and admit to fear and hatred based on some "moral" code. <br>
<br>
None of it makes any sense to me. All my life I have been completely apathetic to homosexuality because it had nothing to do with me. Heterosexuality has nothing to do with me either. I think it's kind of odd that we label ourselves according to who we are normally attracted to. So I have never been attracted to a woman. But there are also plenty of men who I am not attracted to either. If I were an absolute heterosexual, wouldn't htat mean I am attracted to all men? <br>
<br>
We are attracted to pheromones. It just so happens that the pheromones I am attracted to I have only encountered with men, and only a few at that. We are no different than any other animal. Blind fold me, tie my hands behind my back and put me in a room full of silent women that smell like Neverfly after he has been working on a car while I am ovulating and I'm likely to feel extremely uncomfortable... or comfortable... well I am bound to feel something strange anyway.

If I were NF right now, I'd be checking the hell out of the calender, and doing a completely unnecessary oil change.

"Honey...that's the third time this week you've changed the oil!"

"...and I'm going to rotate the tires tomorrow"

....Actually... I took apart the chipper/shredder and sharpened the blades. Now I'm going to be doing wood chippering/shreddering.

Originally Posted by Alec Bing

Originally Posted by Nisslbody

Nigeria: a Libertarian paradise!

What do you get when you combine abject poverty with civil unrest?

What excuse is there for Americans with similar beliefs?

Do you think I'm saying any of this is okay?

What I'm saying is that it's really quite unseemly to mock someone from a war-torn, undereducated and impoverished country for having crazy backward ideas. It's a bit colonial, in fact. "Look at that ignorant savage!" Hurr hurr derp. Plus the fact that if you look up any of his papers, the guy is pretty clearly batshit. I can only chalk up his access to publishing his papers on that university (if it's even legit, which I doubt) website to some desperate conditions there.

Is it OK that people in war-torn and exploited countries in Africa are executing homosexuals and people accused of witchcraft? Hell no! But we are talking about a region that is a fucked-up shithole that people have to live in, and the main reason it's like that can be directly traced to past and ongoing colonialism.

So it's pretty rich for a bunch of privileged Westerners to be all "HAR HAR!" at a random whackadoo in one of the most fucked-up of all the fucked-up countries on a fucked-up continent.

Don't hold back. Tell us all how you really feel...

Originally Posted by KALSTER

Yep, this is Africa people. I spend a lot of time laughing at creationists and all sorts of quacks in the western world, but Africa is no laughing matter. Major politicians, even in my country, regularly still consult traditional healers, etc, etc, etc, etc.It is freaking depressing. I very much want to emigrate.

I once heard something about Zuma addressing the SA Public and assuring them he would get to the bottom of whoever is behind lightning.

Originally Posted by stander-j

Originally Posted by KALSTER

Yep, this is Africa people. I spend a lot of time laughing at creationists and all sorts of quacks in the western world, but Africa is no laughing matter. Major politicians, even in my country, regularly still consult traditional healers, etc, etc, etc, etc.It is freaking depressing. I very much want to emigrate.

I once heard something about Zuma addressing the SA Public and assuring them he would get to the bottom of whoever is behind lightning.

That is like stabbing the ocean because people have drowned in it.
What was he planning to do according to the rumor? Sue Zeus?

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Originally Posted by stander-j

Originally Posted by KALSTER

Yep, this is Africa people. I spend a lot of time laughing at creationists and all sorts of quacks in the western world, but Africa is no laughing matter. Major politicians, even in my country, regularly still consult traditional healers, etc, etc, etc, etc.It is freaking depressing. I very much want to emigrate.

I once heard something about Zuma addressing the SA Public and assuring them he would get to the bottom of whoever is behind lightning.

That is like stabbing the ocean because people have drowned in it.
What was he planning to do according to the rumor? Sue Zeus?

Nah, memory did not serve at all in this case. It wasn't Zuma, it was actually another politician, and there was no accusation that somebody was behind it. She was quoted after a string of fatal lightning strikes that occurred over a weekend or something like that. Out of context, it sounds absurd.

"We will do an investigation and talk to the department of science and technology on what is the cause of the lightning."

... Then again, even in context, it sounds a little silly.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/04/south-african-lightning-deaths

http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/art...ightning-probe

Originally Posted by stander-j

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Originally Posted by stander-j

Originally Posted by KALSTER

Yep, this is Africa people. I spend a lot of time laughing at creationists and all sorts of quacks in the western world, but Africa is no laughing matter. Major politicians, even in my country, regularly still consult traditional healers, etc, etc, etc, etc.It is freaking depressing. I very much want to emigrate.

I once heard something about Zuma addressing the SA Public and assuring them he would get to the bottom of whoever is behind lightning.

That is like stabbing the ocean because people have drowned in it.
What was he planning to do according to the rumor? Sue Zeus?

Nah, memory did not serve at all in this case. It wasn't Zuma, it was actually another politician, and there was no accusation that somebody was behind it. She was quoted after a string of fatal lightning strikes that occurred over a weekend or something like that. Out of context, it sounds absurd.

"We will do an investigation and talk to the department of science and technology on what is the cause of the lightning."

... Then again, even in context, it sounds a little silly.

South African politician says number of lightning deaths is rising | World news | The GuardianMEC calls for lightning probe - Times LIVE

Not that silly. We have had a lot of (normally rare in this area) cloud-to-ground lightning, and understanding whether it's just a fluke or whether it's changing weather patterns can help inform our building and our behavior. We don't normally take cover just because of a little thunder, but we may need to adjust our thinking if it appears that the conditions that cause cloud-to-ground lightning are going to become a regular part of our local climate.

Originally Posted by Nisslbody

Originally Posted by stander-j

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Originally Posted by stander-j

Originally Posted by KALSTER

Yep, this is Africa people. I spend a lot of time laughing at creationists and all sorts of quacks in the western world, but Africa is no laughing matter. Major politicians, even in my country, regularly still consult traditional healers, etc, etc, etc, etc.It is freaking depressing. I very much want to emigrate.

I once heard something about Zuma addressing the SA Public and assuring them he would get to the bottom of whoever is behind lightning.

That is like stabbing the ocean because people have drowned in it.
What was he planning to do according to the rumor? Sue Zeus?

Nah, memory did not serve at all in this case. It wasn't Zuma, it was actually another politician, and there was no accusation that somebody was behind it. She was quoted after a string of fatal lightning strikes that occurred over a weekend or something like that. Out of context, it sounds absurd.

"We will do an investigation and talk to the department of science and technology on what is the cause of the lightning."

... Then again, even in context, it sounds a little silly.

South African politician says number of lightning deaths is rising | World news | The GuardianMEC calls for lightning probe - Times LIVE

Not that silly. We have had a lot of (normally rare in this area) cloud-to-ground lightning, and understanding whether it's just a fluke or whether it's changing weather patterns can help inform our building and our behavior. We don't normally take cover just because of a little thunder, but we may need to adjust our thinking if it appears that the conditions that cause cloud-to-ground lightning are going to become a regular part of our local climate.

As I understand, South Africa has always been a hot-spot for lightning - with one of the highest frequencies in the world. I believe the Congo has the highest, although this is a common trait amongst equatorial land masses. I still, however, thinks it sounds silly to investigate the cause of recent lightning strikes - we already know the cause of lightning. If it's been a hot day, or there has been a series of hot days, there's a good chance you're going to have lightning.

Edit: Forgot to add this map:
http://io9.com/5902218/maps-reveal-w...ll-strike-next

Originally Posted by Nisslbody

Originally Posted by stander-j

Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum

Originally Posted by stander-j

Originally Posted by KALSTER

Yep, this is Africa people. I spend a lot of time laughing at creationists and all sorts of quacks in the western world, but Africa is no laughing matter. Major politicians, even in my country, regularly still consult traditional healers, etc, etc, etc, etc.It is freaking depressing. I very much want to emigrate.

I once heard something about Zuma addressing the SA Public and assuring them he would get to the bottom of whoever is behind lightning.

That is like stabbing the ocean because people have drowned in it.
What was he planning to do according to the rumor? Sue Zeus?

Nah, memory did not serve at all in this case. It wasn't Zuma, it was actually another politician, and there was no accusation that somebody was behind it. She was quoted after a string of fatal lightning strikes that occurred over a weekend or something like that. Out of context, it sounds absurd.

"We will do an investigation and talk to the department of science and technology on what is the cause of the lightning."

... Then again, even in context, it sounds a little silly.

South African politician says number of lightning deaths is rising | World news | The GuardianMEC calls for lightning probe - Times LIVE

Not that silly. We have had a lot of (normally rare in this area) cloud-to-ground lightning, and understanding whether it's just a fluke or whether it's changing weather patterns can help inform our building and our behavior. We don't normally take cover just because of a little thunder, but we may need to adjust our thinking if it appears that the conditions that cause cloud-to-ground lightning are going to become a regular part of our local climate.

Many of our forest fires are started by lightening.