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    Sigmund Freud was an Austrian neurologist who became known as the founding father of psychoanalysis.

    There is no doubt that he left a tremendous influence on our society, by enriching psychology, but then again I sincerely don't believe that he was very good at his conclusions or it is my inability to understand the way he analyzed human behaving.

    From his point of view , redirection or suppression of sexual instincts and suppression of other primitive instincts can lead to pathological reactions , but at the other side it can even make biggest cultural and artistic achievements possible.
    Freud Implied that if we manage to redirect or to suppress our primitive instincts we can be able to find sublimation in other areas, furthermore he implied ->

    Instinctive sexual curiosity in children is actually the root of intelligent activity of an older person, and it represents the motivational basis of all subsequent intellectual activities.
    Freud implied if we somehow suppress that sexual curiosity amongst children then it can reflect in several ways when the children grow up.
    1) It can cause inhibition, atrophies and sexual and intellectual activities
    2) It can trigger many compulsive thoughts ( which can and doesn't have to be of sexual nature)
    3) If individual managed to ''sublime'' sexual curiosity it can be redirected towards different kind of researches..


    This theory is of a big interest for me, Anaxarogas, Nikola Tesla, Da Vinci, Newton and some others are known by not participating in sexual activities during their lifetime, and we are all aware of their ingenuity but at the other side there are also many famous thinkers that indeed had sexual activities and was very good at many fields.

    What do you think about this theory?

    P.S Why almost every psychoanalysis he did was based on 'sexual activity'? Is it because of the time and place where he lived, the society was obsessed with hiding and repressing anything sexual?


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    Not that I didn't trust your assertions here, but decided to look up these gentlemen, and they didn't have sex lives. (according to the research that's presently available) Well, the research suggests that they didn't have sex or relationships with women. That said, sex in the confines of a healthy relationship, is a very healthy act for the body, mind and emotional spirit. With anything, sex can be abused, and/or it can turn into something it shouldn't, such as a means for two people to 'use' one another. That can take on unhealthy attributes. Sex for some, can also become addicting, whereby the act itself is to soothe one's depression, or some other ailment. Sex is not meant to be used in this manner. But, if it manifests itself in healthy ways, I see no downside to it, and don't see it as an impediment to creativity and cognitive skills. ALL OF THIS SAID, there are studies that show that abstaining from sex for periods of time, can do a person good in terms of increasing stamina and energy. But a lifetime of no sex doesn't sound healthy, in my humble opinion. I think that Freud had it right, that repressing natural sexual desires can result in pathological adversities, but that there is an upside to that, in terms of increased creativity and intellectual stimulation. It would stand to reason that is because one is reserving his/her energy, for...other things. lol Interesting topic! (As an aside, Nikola Tesla was a cutie!)


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    Quote Originally Posted by HB3l1 View Post
    Sigmund Freud was an Austrian neurologist who became known as the founding father of psychoanalysis.

    There is no doubt that he left a tremendous influence on our society, by enriching psychology, but then again I sincerely don't believe that he was very good at his conclusions or it is my inability to understand the way he analyzed human behaving.

    From his point of view , redirection or suppression of sexual instincts and suppression of other primitive instincts can lead to pathological reactions , but at the other side it can even make biggest cultural and artistic achievements possible.
    Freud Implied that if we manage to redirect or to suppress our primitive instincts we can be able to find sublimation in other areas, furthermore he implied ->

    Instinctive sexual curiosity in children is actually the root of intelligent activity of an older person, and it represents the motivational basis of all subsequent intellectual activities.
    Freud implied if we somehow suppress that sexual curiosity amongst children then it can reflect in several ways when the children grow up.
    1) It can cause inhibition, atrophies and sexual and intellectual activities
    2) It can trigger many compulsive thoughts ( which can and doesn't have to be of sexual nature)
    3) If individual managed to ''sublime'' sexual curiosity it can be redirected towards different kind of researches..


    This theory is of a big interest for me, Anaxarogas, Nikola Tesla, Da Vinci, Newton and some others are known by not participating in sexual activities during their lifetime, and we are all aware of their ingenuity but at the other side there are also many famous thinkers that indeed had sexual activities and was very good at many fields.

    What do you think about this theory?

    P.S Why almost every psychoanalysis he did was based on 'sexual activity'? Is it because of the time and place where he lived, the society was obsessed with hiding and repressing anything sexual?
    From the little I've read about this, I think your PS hits the nail on the head. I have certainly read that c.19th Vienna was full of sexual repression and this is why Freud focused on it so much. I presume it is partly thanks to this - and of course the revolutionary invention of the contraceptive pill - that sexual expression is today so free in the western world. To me personally, Freud now seems hopelessly dated and really rather unscientific. But perhaps the fact he may seem dated is actually a testament to his influence!
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    I think that Freud had it right, that repressing natural sexual desires can result in pathological adversities, but that there is an upside to that, in terms of increased creativity and intellectual stimulation. It would stand to reason that is because one is reserving his/her energy, for...other things. lol Interesting topic! (As an aside, Nikola Tesla was a cutie!)
    I would just like to see more valid researches on this topic, but from my point of view I think sexual repression doesn't enhance our ingenuity and creativity, it is more likely that human decisions are the main reason for that, if one decide to repress his sexual activities in order to have more time for different types of researches or to make his/her thoughts clearer and more focused onto one subject.

    ''It would stand to reason that is because one is reserving his/her energy, for...other things''

    And this is what I would like to be tested, I heard and read about sexual energy and transmutation many times, and of it's effects.. for instance I'll copy this link Sexual Energy and Sex Transmutation | Asian Efficiency , it's only one of them.. so far I have seen hundreds of them.. but on the other hand some scientists claim that masturbation and sex are healthy and necessary..

    From the little I've read about this, I think your PS hits the nail on the head. I have certainly read that c.19th Vienna was full of sexual repression and this is why Freud focused on it so much. I presume it is partly thanks to this - and of course the revolutionary invention of the contraceptive pill - that sexual expression is today so free in the western world. To me personally, Freud now seems hopelessly dated and really rather unscientific. But perhaps the fact he may seem dated is actually a testament to his influence!
    Just as I thought, so his views are not reliably today..
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    Quote Originally Posted by HB3l1 View Post
    I think that Freud had it right, that repressing natural sexual desires can result in pathological adversities, but that there is an upside to that, in terms of increased creativity and intellectual stimulation. It would stand to reason that is because one is reserving his/her energy, for...other things. lol Interesting topic! (As an aside, Nikola Tesla was a cutie!)
    I would just like to see more valid researches on this topic, but from my point of view I think sexual repression doesn't enhance our ingenuity and creativity, it is more likely that human decisions are the main reason for that, if one decide to repress his sexual activities in order to have more time for different types of researches or to make his/her thoughts clearer and more focused onto one subject.

    ''It would stand to reason that is because one is reserving his/her energy, for...other things''

    And this is what I would like to be tested, I heard and read about sexual energy and transmutation many times, and of it's effects.. for instance I'll copy this link Sexual Energy and Sex Transmutation | Asian Efficiency , it's only one of them.. so far I have seen hundreds of them.. but on the other hand some scientists claim that masturbation and sex are healthy and necessary..

    From the little I've read about this, I think your PS hits the nail on the head. I have certainly read that c.19th Vienna was full of sexual repression and this is why Freud focused on it so much. I presume it is partly thanks to this - and of course the revolutionary invention of the contraceptive pill - that sexual expression is today so free in the western world. To me personally, Freud now seems hopelessly dated and really rather unscientific. But perhaps the fact he may seem dated is actually a testament to his influence!
    Just as I thought, so his views are not reliably today..
    The high lighted portion is an unwarrented and incorrect conclusion. His insights remain central to psychalogical theory. His principle insight, that of the existence of and importance of the subconcious mind, it is utterly central to all psychiatric practice.
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    Freud's insight re: the sexual motivation is greatly misunderstood. Think of it as a question of energy sources. All mental activity must have a source of energy. The available energy sources are those linked to primary life functions. Eating, drinking, breathing, excreting, and reproduction. With only those to chose from what would you think more likely to be redirected to artistic and intellectual pursuits? For example medicine and nursing is clearly an extention of the nurturing and parenting impulse, medical science in turn is driven by nurturing. Any activity beyond the level of mere personal survival is linked to making a better environment for the next generation.
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    The high lighted portion is an unwarrented and incorrect conclusion. His insights remain central to psychalogical theory. His principle insight, that of the existence of and importance of the subconcious mind, it is utterly central to all psychiatric practice.
    No, I am not saying that his work and beliefs are worthless nowadays, I am just saying that some of the methods he used in psychoanalysis are worthless now.

    He also related god to idealized father, ''young people lose their faith if they undermine the authority of their father''. This might be true in the area and time where he lived and in specific cases...

    P.S What is your opinion about the link I posted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealeaf View Post
    Freud's insight re: the sexual motivation is greatly misunderstood. Think of it as a question of energy sources. All mental activity must have a source of energy. The available energy sources are those linked to primary life functions. Eating, drinking, breathing, excreting, and reproduction. With only those to chose from what would you think more likely to be redirected to artistic and intellectual pursuits? For example medicine and nursing is clearly an extention of the nurturing and parenting impulse, medical science in turn is driven by nurturing. Any activity beyond the level of mere personal survival is linked to making a better environment for the next generation.
    I think that's rot. The wellspring of natural science, surely, is curiosity. This is not a product of any of these basic functions, least of all some altruistic drive to make life better for the next generation. Curiosity is a defining characteristic of intelligent creatures and evidently has sufficient survival value to be selected for, in a number of species. I suppose one could attempt to explain it as some sort of "drive" to master one's environment, but I'm blowed if I can see what it owes to any notion of the unconscious mind.
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    The hormones that are secreted during sex can cause a fatigued feeling. In some cultures, tantric sex is practiced to conserve energy and build intellectual and physical stamina. Wouldn't be for me, but it is sex without the grand "finale." I'll post a link to an article that talks about the cognitive benefits of it.
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    You may have a point ex, curiosity is important but it is not a primary drive. Famous animal experiments showed that in most animals, if food and mates were in easy reach they explore no further. Humans are more complex than mice but are clearly working with the same kind of equipment, ie a body and a brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sealeaf View Post
    You may have a point ex, curiosity is important but it is not a primary drive. Famous animal experiments showed that in most animals, if food and mates were in easy reach they explore no further. Humans are more complex than mice but are clearly working with the same kind of equipment, ie a body and a brain.
    Yes, but you said: " All mental activity must have a source of energy. The available energy sources are those linked to primary life functions. Eating, drinking, breathing, excreting, and reproduction. With only those to chose from what would you think more likely to be redirected to artistic and intellectual pursuits?"

    What I'm saying is it is not true that ONLY those "energy sources" are available. Hence your implication that artistic and intellectual pursuits are all traceable to one of these drives is wrong. I'm not arguing whether curiosity is a primary drive or not, only that curiosity is NOT, so far as I can see, attributable to any of the drives you list, whereas it IS crucial to a great deal of human intellectual activity. So I think your formula for what is responsible for artistic and intellectual pursuits is too reductive and doesn't succeed as an explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    But a lifetime of no sex doesn't sound healthy, in my humble opinion. I think that Freud had it right, that repressing natural sexual desires can result in pathological adversities, but that there is an upside to that, in terms of increased creativity and intellectual stimulation. It would stand to reason that is because one is reserving his/her energy, for...other things. lol Interesting topic! (As an aside, Nikola Tesla was a cutie!)
    I would agree here that to have regular sex is healthy but definately within the confines of a loving relationship, I think this makes people more relaxed and contented in life, but also I think it can make stop or at least slow in searching for ways of self improvement. Would it seem logical perhaps that because sex is a natural part of a reproductsion process that most living creatures share that when it is acheived they become more contented and less needing to strive to acheive, thus creativity is reduced. Where as without that regular sex and satisfcation of the desire to procreate is possible that creativity and even intelligence is hightened because of this extra need to be for a personal or animal to be at their best in competition for procreation. It just seems that like in the animal kingdom humans also compete for the best mates to have their children with so it seems those either without children or not having regular sex will not be content as they arn't effectively competing and thus psychologically trying much harder to be at there best so as to speak.
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    Is it because of the time and place where he lived, the society was obsessed with hiding and repressing anything sexual?


    Under the impression that Victorian prudery was confined to US and British cultures for the most part and much less of an influence on Continental Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Is it because of the time and place where he lived, the society was obsessed with hiding and repressing anything sexual?


    Under the impression that Victorian prudery was confined to US and British cultures for the most part and much less of an influence on Continental Europe.
    Why do you think that? Surely c.19th middle class Vienna would have been just as bound by convention as London or the US E. Coast, when it came to matters of sex and marriage. It's true Vienna was Catholic rather than Protestant, but judging by 1970s Catholic Spain, Italy or Ireland, it seems to me unlikely it would have been much more liberal than the Protestant north - perhaps even less so. Then of course there would also have been his Jewish clientele, who probably had a rather different suite of problems on which I'm not qualified to speculate.
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