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    One person's taxes subsidize 4 bureaucrats' wastefulness
    Honestly. Just give it up already.

    Right now businesses that supply the armed forces or nuclear facilities or a whole heap of other matters (like certifying details for loan applications) are losing money because "non-essential" public servants can't do the necessary inspections to certify that the helicopters or the generator gizmos or the financial details meet the specified standards or procedures.

    And what about storm detection ...

    Hurricane Hunters, who fly into the middle of storms to gather essential data to more accurately forecast hurricane paths, are also feeling the pinch of the shutdown. Though the meteorologists and Air Force pilots are still working and able to fly into a storm to track it, the Air Reserve Technicians that support the flights are furloughed. The Hurricane Hunters themselves are working for free in addition to being shorthanded.
    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...cane-furlough/

    You seem to want to think that every single employee of every single level of government does nothing of any use or value to anyone - and gets a massive salary and spends their days in idle luxury into the bargain. That's not what happens.

    Somebody has to pay the people who check applications for veterans' pensions and for farm subsidies. Seeing as those decisions and entitlements and processes have been legislated by the representatives of citizens generally, it's citizens and residents who have to pay the people who put those legislative decisions into action. And someone has to program the computers they use and clean the premises they use, and those people have to be paid too.

    If you want to know the job and person specifications for every function, task, role performed by public servants and every obligation and regulation they're required to perform, supervise or enforce, put in an FOI request and spend the next ten years of your life checking them out.
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    Adelady, my Dad was an airplane tech for the USA for 33 years (not including his military time). If this was happening during Vietnam, or WWII, no military planes would be able to be fixed......I agree that many government employees DO Work hard and for our betterment.
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    64 3
    65 9 * Mean 69 and Below: 6 Victims
    75 8 *
    75 16 *
    75 8 *
    75 7 *
    75 27 *
    76 8 * Mean 70-79: 12.33 Victims
    80 14 *
    80 13 *
    81 2
    83 48 *
    84 3
    85 6
    86 6 *
    89 7 *
    89 3 *
    89 8 * Mean 89-70: 11.24 Victims
    89 7 Mean 80-89: 10.64 Victims Mean 89>: 10.7 Victims
    90 4 *
    90 8 *
    90 6
    91 17
    92 5 *
    95 6
    95 2 *
    95 3 Mean 90-99: 6.38 Victims
    100 6 *
    100 7 *
    102 8
    105 7 *
    106 7
    107 1 *
    109 6
    109 7 * Mean 100-109: 6.13 Victims
    110 15
    110 4 *
    115 21 *
    115 6 *
    115 3 *
    115 9 *
    115 3 *
    116 12
    117 4
    118 33 Mean 110-119: 10.8 Victims
    120 6
    120 3
    120 4 *
    122 9
    123 3
    124 8 *
    125 5 *
    125 10
    125 9
    126 4 *
    127 3
    128 8
    129 16
    129 9 * Mean 120-129: 6.9 Victims Mean 90-129: 7.68 Victims
    130 25
    130 6
    130 3 *
    135 3 *
    136 36 Mean 130-139: 14.6 Victims
    143 2
    145 8 Mean 141-149: 5 Victims
    152 13 * Mean 150-159: 13 Victims
    160 8 *
    160 10 Mean 160-169: 9 Victims Mean 130-160: 11.4 Victims
    180 38 * Mean 180-189: 38 Victims Mean 130+: 13.82 Victims
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    Mean IQ: 108.3, Mean Victims: 9.46
    Median IQ: 109.5, Median Victims: 7
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    1) John Straffen


    2) Derrick Lee, 91 IQ as Child. 7-10 Victims.


    3) Alton Coleman, Below Avg. "Mildly Retarded".


    4) Jeffrey Dahmer, IQ ???


    5) David Gerard, "Low" IQ. 6-10 Victims.


    6) William Lindsey, "Very Slow".


    7) Coral Watts, 27 Victims at least.


    8) Glen Rogers, 5 Serial and 3 Prior. Claims up to 70.


    9) Larry Hall, 40 Victims Alleged


    10) Tommy Sells, 13+ - Total number unknown


    11) Jesse Cummings


    12) Gary Ridgway, "Low 80s". 48 Victims at least.


    13) Joseph Kallinger


    14) Daniel Blank


    15) Robert Pickton, up to 60 suspected victims


    16) Dale Eaton, IQ Range "80s - Low 90s"


    17) Henry Lucas, claims 600. Suspected Range 77-600, 3 confirmed.


    18) Danny Rolling, 5 Serial and 3 Prior


    19) Aileen Wuornos


    20) Jon Dunkle, 4 Murders, 2 Attempts


    21) Kendall Francois, "Barely Avg. IQ"


    22) William Sapp


    23) Robert Hansen


    24) Kenneth McDuff, 13 Victims Suspected


    25) Richard Chase


    26) Hadden Clarke, "Average - Low Average IQ". Confessed to more.


    27) Michael Lockhart


    28) Richard Cottingham, "Average IQ".


    29) Diane Lumbrera, "Average IQ".


    30) Keith Jesperson


    31) Robert Fry, "Average IQ". Thought "Smart" by Teachers.


    32) Eward Gein, 7


    33) Warren Bland, suspected of several more.


    34) Rory Conde


    35) Glennon Engleman, "Top Avg IQ"


    36) David Berkowitz


    37) Jerome Brudos, "Avg - Above Avg IQ", 12 missing in era


    38) James Vaughn, "Above Avg IQ".


    39) Kristen Gilbert, "High IQ", 6 convicted - possibly 40+


    40) Frank Hickey, IQ claimed to be "Above Avg"


    41) Peter Manuel, "High IQ"


    42) Davide Middleton, IQ thought "Above Avg". Total Victims unknown.


    43) Kenneth Bianchi


    44) Wayne Ford


    45) John Gacy


    46) Gary Hilton


    47) Patrick McCullough


    48) Lesley Warren, IQ 115-125. Claims 8 (Not substantiated).


    49) Derek Percy


    50) John Joubert


    51) Richard Starrett, 7-8 suspected. 1 confirmed.


    52) Lawrence Bittaker, "Superior IQ".


    53) David Carpenter


    54) Timothy Krajcir


    55) David Copeland, used bomb - 4 killed, 129 injured


    56) James DeBardeleben


    57) John Christie


    58) Randy Kraft


    59) Joel Rifkin, IQ 128-130, convicted of 9, admits 17


    60) Juan Corona


    61) Gary Heidnik


    62) George Russel, "Gifted/High" IQ


    63) Harvery Glatman, three tests: 90, 130, 140


    64) Ted Bundy


    65) Stephen Stanko


    66) Edmund Kemper


    67) Carroll Cole, 13-35 Victims


    68) Rodney Alcala, Total Victims ???


    69) Charlene Williams


    70) Patrick Kearney, IQ Score may be inaccurate. 32-43 Victims.


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    1) Donald Harvey, 37 Victims (Claims 87) - His intelligence was noted.


    2) Paula Sims, "Fairly Bright". 2 Victims.


    3) Harry Powers, Intelligent but "unmanageable". Convicted of 5, 5 found, claims up to 50.

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    My conclusion:

    There is no meaningful correlation between IQ and number of victims. While the 130+ cluster does have the highest mean by far - it is solely because of Ted Bundy and Patrick Kearney. The 70-89 cluster is almost identical in mean to 130-160. While I think it is interesting that the Highest and Lowest IQs seem to have higher means than scores closer to the average IQ, I think this is mostly because of a lack of data - and an inability to know total victim counts. I suppose it doesn't help that most of the data fall in that Average range as well.

    I think it depends on a lot of factors. Clearly, even with 70 Serial Killers on the list, the data become disproportional when the exceptional cases are added e.g. Bundy, Gacy, Kearney, Ridgway, Pickton, Lucas... I'd imagine the circumstances that allow some serial killers to flourish while others are caught after a smaller number of victims could do with a lot of things other than intelligence.

    Edit: Additional thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stander-j View Post
    My conclusion:

    There is no meaningful correlation between IQ and number of victims. While the 130+ cluster does have the highest mean by far - it is solely because of Ted Bundy and Patrick Kearney. The 70-89 cluster is almost identical in mean to 130-160. While I think it is interesting that the Highest and Lowest IQs seem to have higher means than scores closer to the average IQ, I think this is mostly because of a lack of data - and an inability to know total victim counts. I suppose it doesn't help that most of the data fall in that Average range as well.

    I think it depends on a lot of factors. Clearly, even with 70 Serial Killers on the list, the data become disproportional when the exceptional cases are added e.g. Bundy, Gacy, Kearney, Ridgway, Pickton, Lucas... I'd imagine the circumstances that allow some serial killers to flourish while others are caught after a smaller number of victims could do with a lot of things other than intelligence.

    Edit: Additional thoughts.
    It's possible all the smarter killers stop killing after their first and simply never get caught as a result(and thus aren't recorded as data), while the dumber ones don't know when to stop killing and aren't competent enough to avoid capture, then there are the ones who don't stop killing but are competent enough to avoid capture. This is my weak attempt at explaining why low/high intelligence results in the most murders... To be honest, I haven't figured out the real reason yet. Then as you said, there could just be a lack of data(heck, maybe consisting of the people who were never actually caught).

    An alternative explanation could be a correlation between intelligence, kills, and immorality. I recall one of the killers, who was notably dumb, managed to kill hundreds of people, but when factoring in 'immorality' he had a head start because he was open to killing children(all his victims were kids). But somehow I don't find that too likely... Or maybe it is.
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    I think it would mostly be an issue of what makes the SK tick. Different strokes for different folks. What we tend to forget is that serial killers, albeit sick, disturbed individuals, are human. They have desires and interests just like any other person - and therefore they have their own motivations:

    For one serial killer, the aspect that holds their attention might be the numbers game - how many victims can the serial killer rack up, this type of killer might do so indiscriminately.

    For another serial killer, the interest may be sexualised - like with Bundy, and I would assume they would kill frequently as well.

    For another serial killer, it might be about dominance - I tend to get the idea that serial killers that prefer strangulation do so because it is an intimately dominant act.

    Other serial killers might prey on a very specific "type" of victim - what they have idealized as the "perfect" victim, they would probably kill less frequently.

    Even more, other serial killers are probably killing because they crave the attention - they like corresponding with the press, they like playing what they figure is a game of cat-and-mouse with the authorities, they get off on the power and attention. Think the Zodiac, as Bad Robot brought earlier. The Zodiac's absurd costume, the cyphers, the insignia - the Zodiac was putting on a show for attention. Notice how the Zodiac always makes sure he gets the credit for his murders, yet makes the killings seem random, and uses different tools - I get the idea his victims were selected indiscriminately, and were killed on the spot because opportunity was there. That's the one thing the Zodiac was making damn sure of. That his kills would be attributed to him, but that he wasn't getting caught in the process, whereas other serial killers' murders are predicated by the momentary urge for whatever interest they're fulfilling - again, like with Ted Bundy, where the urge was sexual.

    For other types of serial killers attention is exactly what they don't want. These types of serial killers want to fly under the radar. They try to avoid having their murders publicized. They're transient. They're truckers. Their kills are transnational, and the bodies are hidden. Others just don't give a shit if they're leaving a trail of bodies. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that Serial Killers are human. Humans have different interests. Serial Killers are therefore bound to kill for different reasons - and I think body counts, lack of body counts, how long it takes to catch them, and so on and so forth has a lot more to do with their "style" than it does any sense of morality or intelligence or anything like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stander-j View Post
    I think it would mostly be an issue of what makes the SK tick. Different strokes for different folks. What we tend to forget is that serial killers, albeit sick, disturbed individuals, are human. They have desires and interests just like any other person - and therefore they have their own motivations:

    For one serial killer, the aspect that holds their attention might be the numbers game - how many victims can the serial killer rack up, this type of killer might do so indiscriminately.

    For another serial killer, the interest may be sexualised - like with Bundy, and I would assume they would kill frequently as well.

    For another serial killer, it might be about dominance - I tend to get the idea that serial killers that prefer strangulation do so because it is an intimately dominant act.

    Other serial killers might prey on a very specific "type" of victim - what they have idealized as the "perfect" victim, they would probably kill less frequently.

    Even more, other serial killers are probably killing because they crave the attention - they like corresponding with the press, they like playing what they figure is a game of cat-and-mouse with the authorities, they get off on the power and attention. Think the Zodiac, as Bad Robot brought earlier. The Zodiac's absurd costume, the cyphers, the insignia - the Zodiac was putting on a show for attention. Notice how the Zodiac always makes sure he gets the credit for his murders, yet makes the killings seem random, and uses different tools - I get the idea his victims were selected indiscriminately, and were killed on the spot because opportunity was there. That's the one thing the Zodiac was making damn sure of. That his kills would be attributed to him, but that he wasn't getting caught in the process, whereas other serial killers' murders are predicated by the momentary urge for whatever interest they're fulfilling - again, like with Ted Bundy, where the urge was sexual.

    For other types of serial killers attention is exactly what they don't want. These types of serial killers want to fly under the radar. They try to avoid having their murders publicized. They're transient. They're truckers. Their kills are transnational, and the bodies are hidden. Others just don't give a shit if they're leaving a trail of bodies. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that Serial Killers are human. Humans have different interests. Serial Killers are therefore bound to kill for different reasons - and I think body counts, lack of body counts, how long it takes to catch them, and so on and so forth has a lot more to do with their "style" than it does any sense of morality or intelligence or anything like.
    My niece was murdered. Was he serial? Don't know. Did he have no remorse. Yes. Absolutely ZERO remorse. He laughed through the trial. It was a brutal and premediated. Would he have done it again? I don't know. I am just happy he's behind bars....but only for 23 more years.

    The Zodiak killer? As the one in SFO back in the 70's?
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    The remorse thing in criminal trials is a joke. Some criminals show great remorse. Others show none. The difference between the two is how good they are at acting.

    Defense lawyers advise their clients on how to behave in court. It is very common to see a vicious killer with short hair, clean shaven, in smart and formal clothes, in court professing to extreme remorse. The stupid thing is how often that results in a shorter sentence. Judges and their ilk are morons.

    Much better to have a criminal like the one you mentioned, with no pretense of remorse, getting what he deserves.
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    Quantity of remorse is elusive and academic. But remorse is simple to qualify as sufficient or insufficient: If the killer had another similar opportunity to kill, did he? If yes then remorse was insufficient. And retroactive remorse from getting caught doesnt count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
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    The remorse thing in criminal trials is a joke. Some criminals show great remorse. Others show none. The difference between the two is how good they are at acting.

    Defense lawyers advise their clients on how to behave in court. It is very common to see a vicious killer with short hair, clean shaven, in smart and formal clothes, in court professing to extreme remorse. The stupid thing is how often that results in a shorter sentence. Judges and their ilk are morons.

    Much better to have a criminal like the one you mentioned, with no pretense of remorse, getting what he deserves.
    In my opinion, he did NOT get what he deserved. It was premeditated. He cut the phone lines, threw her through a glass door and then put a 9 inch incision into her, watched her bleed out and then hid the murder weapon (later found) and then called 911 to report an "accident". Twenty-five years, total, isn't justice to me, nor to her son who was a baby or to her husband. I agree....that judges are MORONS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    The remorse thing in criminal trials is a joke. Some criminals show great remorse. Others show none. The difference between the two is how good they are at acting.

    Defense lawyers advise their clients on how to behave in court. It is very common to see a vicious killer with short hair, clean shaven, in smart and formal clothes, in court professing to extreme remorse. The stupid thing is how often that results in a shorter sentence. Judges and their ilk are morons.

    Much better to have a criminal like the one you mentioned, with no pretense of remorse, getting what he deserves.
    In my opinion, he did NOT get what he deserved. It was premeditated. He cut the phone lines, threw her through a glass door and then put a 9 inch incision into her, watched her bleed out and then hid the murder weapon (later found) and then called 911 to report an "accident". Twenty-five years, total, isn't justice to me, nor to her son who was a baby or to her husband. I agree....that judges are MORONS.
    From that perspective, it seems torture is the only way to exact 'proper justice'; since the death penalty, something you may have preferred to have been used, kills people quick and painlessly. Your niece left behind a kid/legacy, others are not so lucky.
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    er.. no.

    I don't hold total empathy. Which human being does? But I feel greatly if others are hurt, or in pain, or are suffering.

    To me, these are perfectly normal and natural.
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    Both cases are murder no ifs or buts. knowone would ver sacrifise sonmeone else no matter if there was 1000 people on the line and one person on the other fork. the people that would push the man...w..t...f what the feck in english. no way are you thinking properly about the situation. because what if it was you standing in front of the guy on the bridge. would you be gratefu to be executed?? but dont wory youve saved 5 lives. no you wouldnt and the guy that pushed would be sentenced to life in prison for murder in the 1 st degree as amercians say, well actually it is capital murder, the death penalty would be handed down for anyone pushing a man over a bridge under a train, tearing there bodies in bits(which is what happens) and the switch part is still murder. however you got into the situation that the train is hurtling towards 5 people tied to a railway, it isnt your fault oviously(unless it is wich defys the point alltogether!!)but anyway it isnt your fault so it is a tragic accident but if you were way them five people against 1 then it is murder. those 5 may be peados and murderers. i know i know thats not the point. but it draws atttention to the fact that you cant value someones life against others. thats why when the us/uk military say sorry we hit a house and killed 1 civilian but it killed 10 terrorists who were planning to do this and that so we saved millions of lives in the war on terror, no no no, what the hell did that civilian do to you!! so my point wrapped up. i dont think it is a very good way of finding out if are a phycopath. because a "phsyco" woudlnt push the guy, they'd let the five die then push the guy, and a pycopath wouldnt comprehend the situation anyway like that.buyt yes i'll sign off for now coz im rabbling on ! but this is a good idear but please come back with a better poll.
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    i understand where you coming from " theatre whore"lol cool name by the way. but our system in the uk is a one of rehabiltation. some people where horrific crimes get natural life but a plain murder(i know no muder is plain and it is highly cruel and unjusty in any circumstance, who cares if they called u a name or made u feel small, move on dont end 2 peoples lives) but i mean just a normal guy gets angry with a man in a pub and stabs him the guy dies. in our country it would be 15 year tarrif. in usa you go much higher minimum of 25 to life. but alot of murderes have rehabiliated in our country and this is the point of if youve served 20 years + and you are sorry and i mean lie detector sorry (wich peadophiles in our country now have to do before parole hearings) then they can be a benfit to society by teaching youngsters about how to defuse situations and walk away from fights and not get into drugs wich murders are mostly about save domestics with the husband or wife.
    Crimminals in court have to dress smartlty or yes they will get longer in prison and if they dont show remorse they will get longer and alot of judges know that some crims are guna lie but even if there showing remorse they are at lest showing respect to the victim in court, admitadly sum nasty peices of work fake remorse and bullshit theyre way with letters to judges and lawyers feed the court a sob story of how the crim was abused as a boy by his father and rejected by his mother and bullied while on remand waiting for sentence. or ive even heard of a guy faking rape while on remand so when he went to get sentenced he thought the judge would go very lightly as not to send him back to the place he was raped. the judge said sorry but being raped while in jail wich i very much dout as there is no proof and i see plenty of people sueing the prisons for less so i cant see it , but as i was saying you commited the crime oviously before you were put on remand so whatever has happened to you cannot change the sentence and i very much dout you have rehabiliated in a few months, 6 years for burglary, take him down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graemedon View Post
    i understand where you coming from " theatre whore"lol cool name by the way. but our system in the uk is a one of rehabiltation. some people where horrific crimes get natural life but a plain murder(i know no muder is plain and it is highly cruel and unjusty in any circumstance, who cares if they called u a name or made u feel small, move on dont end 2 peoples lives) but i mean just a normal guy gets angry with a man in a pub and stabs him the guy dies. in our country it would be 15 year tarrif. in usa you go much higher minimum of 25 to life. but alot of murderes have rehabiliated in our country and this is the point of if youve served 20 years + and you are sorry and i mean lie detector sorry (wich peadophiles in our country now have to do before parole hearings) then they can be a benfit to society by teaching youngsters about how to defuse situations and walk away from fights and not get into drugs wich murders are mostly about save domestics with the husband or wife.
    Crimminals in court have to dress smartlty or yes they will get longer in prison and if they dont show remorse they will get longer and alot of judges know that some crims are guna lie but even if there showing remorse they are at lest showing respect to the victim in court, admitadly sum nasty peices of work fake remorse and bullshit theyre way with letters to judges and lawyers feed the court a sob story of how the crim was abused as a boy by his father and rejected by his mother and bullied while on remand waiting for sentence. or ive even heard of a guy faking rape while on remand so when he went to get sentenced he thought the judge would go very lightly as not to send him back to the place he was raped. the judge said sorry but being raped while in jail wich i very much dout as there is no proof and i see plenty of people sueing the prisons for less so i cant see it , but as i was saying you commited the crime oviously before you were put on remand so whatever has happened to you cannot change the sentence and i very much dout you have rehabiliated in a few months, 6 years for burglary, take him down.

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    There was no remorse. It was premediated. 25 years isn't enough.
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    sorry premeditated......not premediated.
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    can you be pschyhophat and knowning this?
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    Yes. How else is it diagnosed?

    Though like all conditions, the severity differs. Most psychopaths are not like Ted Bundy or Charles Manson. I'd reckon most go to their doctor and tell them that their lack of empathy causes them problems with others. This is why it's called a personality disorder.
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    I would flick the switch. I got to this because I thought that if I only killed one person less people would be emotionally hurt as a whole. And there's no way in hell I'm throwing a dude of the bridge, no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarnamluvu View Post
    Yes. How else is it diagnosed?

    Though like all conditions, the severity differs. Most psychopaths are not like Ted Bundy or Charles Manson. I'd reckon most go to their doctor and tell them that their lack of empathy causes them problems with others. This is why it's called a personality disorder.

    I have never told my psychiatrist that I have problems with others. I tell her that others have problems with me. While I find them, fascinating if not amusing.


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    I would flick the switch. I got to this because I thought that if I only killed one person less people would be emotionally hurt as a whole. And there's no way in hell I'm throwing a dude of the bridge, no matter what.
    This is wear an automatic rifle comes in handy. Shoot them all AND push the guy over. That way everyone gets treated fairly. I am all for equality.
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    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sarnamluvu View Post
    Yes. How else is it diagnosed?

    Though like all conditions, the severity differs. Most psychopaths are not like Ted Bundy or Charles Manson. I'd reckon most go to their doctor and tell them that their lack of empathy causes them problems with others. This is why it's called a personality disorder.

    I have never told my psychiatrist that I have problems with others. I tell her that others have problems with me. While I find them, fascinating if not amusing.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Huntsman View Post
    I would flick the switch. I got to this because I thought that if I only killed one person less people would be emotionally hurt as a whole. And there's no way in hell I'm throwing a dude of the bridge, no matter what.
    This is wear an automatic rifle comes in handy. Shoot them all AND push the guy over. That way everyone gets treated fairly. I am all for equality.
    And no witnesses either. I like that.
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  23. #223 i think its "phycotic like" to press the button 
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    For intelligent people, psychopathy tends to be common.
    [citation very much needed]
    Is there any intelligent person on this forum who wouldn't flip the switch?


    But I will do an 'experiment'. I will post this same question onto a forum of religious people to see whether or not they hesitate to give an answer. I will post the results here, later on.
    One person's taxes subsidize 4 bureaucrats' wastefulness. I'd keep the train straight ahead on track! jocular

    I think its phycotic like to press the button and kill the guy, as in my other comment you'd be convicted of murder if you pressed the button. accidents happen, and chances are the person who tied them to the track would be done for murder and attempted murder for setting this whole thing up!!.. i can iomagine some nutcase sitting in his cell (or her cell ) mumbling away to themselves about how the button wasent pressed the button wasent pressed THE BUTTON WASENT PRESSED!! "MY LIFES WORK IS COMPLETE, I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY PROV....OH DEAR, WHAT HAVE I PROVED? OH SHIT, GUARD IVE MADE A BIG MISTAKE!!"
    so yeah unless im a phycopath which im not last time i checked.. then its not contest, do not press the button the families of the 5 cannot blame you but the family of the one will defanatly blame you for PURPOSELY killiing there 16 year old son. o yes, the qustion maker or whoever originally thought of this moral testing debockery hasnet taken into account how old these people are or what they have lived there lives like, the 1 person couid be joseph fritzel who has a whole basement of kids at his house and the five could be preists who have dedicated there lives to helping others and have never sinned against god or the law. or swtich the 1 person could be a 16 year old chess grandmaster who has created a power sauce 100x greater than fision. and the five could be 90 year old ex SS men and thats why they are strapped to the line in the first place!!!and the picture shows a tram like carriage wch dosent travel very fast anyway so i reckon it coulda stopped if the guy pressing the button stopped umming and rring about his moral stance and flagged down the driver. several floors in this scenario and i hope im never tied to a line by myself because seen as most people on here would press a button to save 5 ex nazis i would be truly f***d!!!!
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    Equating psychopaths and serial killers may be topical but a bit of a stretch.Depending on the source....the high end is 1 in 25....the low end, one in 100 of the population is a psychopath. We'll take the low end....I in a 100.

    So my city of just over a million would have 10,000 pyschopaths.Number of murders in my city last year.....12. Six of those were domestic violence, 4 gang related, 1 robbery and 1 unsolved.So 1 unexplained murder (not probably killed by a psychopath). 10,000 pyschopaths.

    Psychopaths have an extremely LOW rate of murder.There are thought to be 3 million psychopaths in the USA...according to the FBi about 100 serial killers in the broadest sense of the word...if all serial killers are psychopaths (unlikely) that's only 1 in 30,000 psychopaths.Anyways, focusing on murder is not a variable that explains psychopathic behaviour in any meaningful way.

    Random observation. Value of this post....2 cents.
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