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  1. #1 Do you believe we reap what we sow? 
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    Just wondering your thoughts on this philosophy.


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    Naw, almost everyone forgets what was sown way in advace of reaping time. jocular


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    It depends on how much your action effects on yourself. Overall it is not true
    that what we reap what we sow as many other factor also effects strongly our
    lives .
    Your actions are not only responsible for what happens in your life & there are many
    other factors.
    Yes upto some level our own action make effect on our life. But overall “what we reap what we sow” is not true in life .
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    No, I do not.
    Similar statements (e.g. what goes around, comes around) assume that there exists something as natural justice.

    The Universe cannot and does not care about what is fair and what is not. It knows nothing of morality.
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    It is not necessarily true for individuals but there is some, inevitable, truth to it. It may be great-great-grandchildren who reap what is sown. Release too much "stuff" into the atmosphere and you end up with acid rain, holes in the ozone layer and global climate change. Eat the brains of your enemies and develop kuru. Introduce a "useful" new species and later find it is a pest that is nearly impossible to eradicate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    Naw, almost everyone forgets what was sown way in advace of reaping time. jocular
    This is very interesting, can you elaborate pls?
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    It depends on how much your action effects on yourself. Overall it is not true that what we reap what we sow as many other factor also effects strongly our lives . Your actions are not only responsible for what happens in your life & there are many other factors. Yes upto some level our own action make effect on our life. But overall “what we reap what we sow” is not true in life .
    I don't disagree. Perhaps too, how about all the times when I wasn't always so kind? And there was no reaping. I did have remorse but because that is part of my nature. I do think if you treat ppl badly long enough, with no remorse, the reaping could be as simple as you are now alone because you have hurt ppl. The end result might not be what the person expects.
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    No, I do not.Similar statements (e.g. what goes around, comes around) assume that there exists something as natural justice.The Universe cannot and does not care about what is fair and what is not. It knows nothing of morality.
    From a science perspective are you speaking?Just wondering, how do you process the injustices in the world around you?
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    It is not necessarily true for individuals but there is some, inevitable, truth to it. It may be great-great-grandchildren who reap what is sown. Release too much "stuff" into the atmosphere and you end up with acid rain, holes in the ozone layer and global climate change. Eat the brains of your enemies and develop kuru. Introduce a "useful" new species and later find it is a pest that is nearly impossible to eradicate.
    Yes! I agree with this ...the end result may be far worse and longer reaching (think "ripple effect") than we might imagine.
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    LOL!! Very interesting responses. It is a question I wonder about a lot.Thanks for your replies!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
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    No, I do not.Similar statements (e.g. what goes around, comes around) assume that there exists something as natural justice.The Universe cannot and does not care about what is fair and what is not. It knows nothing of morality.
    From a science perspective are you speaking?Just wondering, how do you process the injustices in the world around you?

    I don't.
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    Just wondering your thoughts on this philosophy.
    If that were anywhere near true wouldn't evolution have bred out the assholes by now?
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    Do you believe we reap what we sow?

    I was raised with this philosophy, no doubt an effort by those responsible for me to mold me into a socially acceptable creature.

    Living in a small community, there certainly are consequences as to how what you do will affect your future. If you become known as dishonest, lazy or hurtful to others, you will not be offered employment or be invited to socialize and this will have effect on all aspects of your life over time. I do not doubt that this is also the case in larger communities as well but within those larger communities, one can relocate and have some possibility of gaining a new start in life.

    With the advent of the internet and the ease of global communication, the ability to start a new life becomes more challenging. When a sex offender or other dangerous offender is released from prison, it is not uncommon for their picture to be posted as a public awareness bulletin.

    When you harm others, they may forgive but they are not likely to forget so in that regard, I do accept that most of us reap what we sow whether we pay it much heed or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    Just wondering your thoughts on this philosophy.
    I think that saying has more to do with illustrating the choices we make in life. It only takes one wrong choice to change the rest of your life for the worse. But to have a good life you need to make good choices and keep making them.
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    For some unknown reason...I can't multi quote :/ but really enjoyed the varying opinions.You make great points. Equally interesting is that you all don't get bogged down with worrying over this...Thanks for chiming in ppl! :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    For some unknown reason...I can't multi quote :/ but really enjoyed the varying opinions.You make great points. Equally interesting is that you all don't get bogged down with worrying over this...Thanks for chiming in ppl! :-)
    People are human. We are going to make mistakes and some of them will have devastating consequences for others as well as ourselves. Accidents happen and people are harmed or are killed. The most important aspect at play is whether the harm was intentional, an act of omission or due to circumstances over which we have no control as in road conditions, mechanical failure even though you maintain said vehicle, etc. The circumstances and combinations are endless.

    If our intentions are well meaning, it is easier for others to forgive us and for us to forgive ourselves on those occasions when things go wrong, for even the best of intentions can have consequences that are farther reaching than ever we could have expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    For some unknown reason...I can't multi quote :/ but really enjoyed the varying opinions.You make great points. Equally interesting is that you all don't get bogged down with worrying over this...Thanks for chiming in ppl! :-)
    Anyway welcome to the forum. I know you started in SF before coming here, so which one of the members twisted your arm in coming here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    Just wondering your thoughts on this philosophy.
    I think to some degree we do.

    We make decisions in our lives that affect outcomes, both in every day life and in other forms, as in business, finance, medicine, etc.

    I think my personal philosophy, as to "You Reap What You Sow", is this:

    If I treat everyone in my path as I wish to be treated, with respect, humor and kindness, (do not confuse this with being a pushover), then I will receive that back about 90% of the time.

    The other 10% weren't worth my time anyhow.

    SO I guess I rather do have some belief in that old saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    Just wondering your thoughts on this philosophy.
    As a civilization, yes. As an individual, sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    Naw, almost everyone forgets what was sown way in advace of reaping time. jocular
    Quote Originally Posted by RAJ_K View Post
    It depends on how much your action effects on yourself. Overall it is not true that what we reap what we sow as many other factor also effects strongly our lives . Your actions are not only responsible for what happens in your life & there are many other factors. Yes upto some level our own action make effect on our life. But overall “what we reap what we sow” is not true in life .
    Quote Originally Posted by Cogito Ergo Sum View Post
    No, I do not.Similar statements (e.g. what goes around, comes around) assume that there exists something as natural justice.The Universe cannot and does not care about what is fair and what is not. It knows nothing of morality.
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    It is not necessarily true for individuals but there is some, inevitable, truth to it. It may be great-great-grandchildren who reap what is sown. Release too much "stuff" into the atmosphere and you end up with acid rain, holes in the ozone layer and global climate change. Eat the brains of your enemies and develop kuru. Introduce a "useful" new species and later find it is a pest that is nearly impossible to eradicate.
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    If you don't you're a pretty poor farmer
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    Just wondering your thoughts on this philosophy.
    If that were anywhere near true wouldn't evolution have bred out the assholes by now?
    We are still evolving; be patient. Anyway welcome to the forum. I know you started in SF before coming here, so which one of the members twisted your arm in coming here?[/quote]I will never tell.
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    Just wondering your thoughts on this philosophy.
    I think to some degree we do.We make decisions in our lives that affect outcomes, both in every day life and in other forms, as in business, finance, medicine, etc.I think my personal philosophy, as to "You Reap What You Sow", is this:If I treat everyone in my path as I wish to be treated, with respect, humor and kindness, (do not confuse this with being a pushover), then I will receive that back about 90% of the time.The other 10% weren't worth my time anyhow.SO I guess I rather do have some belief in that old saying.
    I think along the same lines, babe. Karma is often a misunderstood concept; many think some cosmic bolt of lightning will strike us if we hurt someone etc... But really karma is pretty much about cause and effect. If I hurt you, it will have an effect just one that might not affect me directly. Thanks for your thoughts.
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    Just wondering your thoughts on this philosophy.
    As a civilization, yes. As an individual, sometimes.
    I like this ^^ ...a lot. Very intriguing. I think we all leave a footprint on this earth...good or bad.Everything we do or don't do, has the potential to affect others.
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    @ scheherazade...Your post touched me; I agree...we all make mistakes. I like what you said about forgiveness as well.So, I tried to correct that multiquote mess up there ^^ using my laptop and I still couldn't get it to quote right.:/
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    Oh my, see? ^^I suck at multiquoting on my phone.
    I suck at it on my computer!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    We are still evolving; be patient.
    You may be.
    I'm done on that score.

    Karma is often a misunderstood concept; many think some cosmic bolt of lightning will strike us if we hurt someone etc... But really karma is pretty much about cause and effect. If I hurt you, it will have an effect just one that might not affect me directly.
    Karma: the ridiculous idea that implies that everything bad that happens to you is somehow deserved.
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    Rather than me reaping what I sow, I prefer to "pay it forward".

    If I'm helpful or generous to anyone, I'm happy if that gesture (and I sometimes tell them I'm doing it so they don't have to pay me, in cash or any other way) might make someone else's life better somewhere down the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    We are still evolving; be patient.
    You may be.
    I'm done on that score.

    Karma is often a misunderstood concept; many think some cosmic bolt of lightning will strike us if we hurt someone etc... But really karma is pretty much about cause and effect. If I hurt you, it will have an effect just one that might not affect me directly.
    Karma: the ridiculous idea that implies that everything bad that happens to you is somehow deserved.
    One of your ancestors must have been very bad and died before all his karma debt had been paid back. Yes, karma has to be paid back and gets paid by descendants if need be. <just kidding>
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    But bad things don't happen to me.
    Just different things.

    (OTOH I sometimes happen to other people!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Rather than me reaping what I sow, I prefer to "pay it forward". If I'm helpful or generous to anyone, I'm happy if that gesture (and I sometimes tell them I'm doing it so they don't have to pay me, in cash or any other way) might make someone else's life better somewhere down the line.
    I LOVE this! Such a great outlook. The world needs more thinkers like you.

    To the topic of karma >>> An observation of mine has been, so many ppl "get back at" ppl who have wronged them.

    Even a slight perceived offense online brings with it for some, a need for "revenge."

    Kinda sad. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Rather than me reaping what I sow, I prefer to "pay it forward". If I'm helpful or generous to anyone, I'm happy if that gesture (and I sometimes tell them I'm doing it so they don't have to pay me, in cash or any other way) might make someone else's life better somewhere down the line.
    I LOVE this! Such a great outlook. The world needs more thinkers 1 like you.
    To the topic of karma >>> An observation of mine has been, so many ppl "get back at" ppl who have wronged them.
    Even a slight perceived offense online brings with it for some, a need for "revenge."
    Kinda sad. :/
    Now there's a thought.
    "Pay it forward revenge" instead of getting back at whoever slighted you.
    Might work...
    Bwahaha.

    1 You do know that idea was popularised by Robert Heinlein, don't you? (Which, in turn, and related to another topic you're posting in, means it was largely spread by the nerd population).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Rather than me reaping what I sow, I prefer to "pay it forward". If I'm helpful or generous to anyone, I'm happy if that gesture (and I sometimes tell them I'm doing it so they don't have to pay me, in cash or any other way) might make someone else's life better somewhere down the line.
    I LOVE this! Such a great outlook. The world needs more thinkers 1 like you. To the topic of karma >>> An observation of mine has been, so many ppl "get back at" ppl who have wronged them.Even a slight perceived offense online brings with it for some, a need for "revenge."Kinda sad. :/
    Now there's a thought."Pay it forward revenge" instead of getting back at whoever slighted you.Might work...Bwahaha.1 You do know that idea was popularised by Robert Heinlein, don't you?
    The idea of pay it forward? Yes. Lol @ pay it forward revenge... Hmmmm!! :-}}
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Rather than me reaping what I sow, I prefer to "pay it forward".

    If I'm helpful or generous to anyone, I'm happy if that gesture (and I sometimes tell them I'm doing it so they don't have to pay me, in cash or any other way) might make someone else's life better somewhere down the line.
    AND hopefully, that generous gesture will cause them to do something nice for someone else.
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    "Pay it forward" revenge?

    I think that happens a lot more than we (consciously) think. How many people who cut you off in traffic are really randomly "paying back" someone else's discourteous driving?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    Do you believe we reap what we sow?
    No.

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    Just wondering your thoughts on this philosophy.
    It is an exceptionally odd little belief that has a somewhat unique usefulness when viewed through the lens of a sociopath.
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    somewhat unique usefulness when viewed through the lens of a sociopath.
    I think it's worst when you see it used as victim blaming.

    You have an accident, get cancer, lose your job, get mugged, any calamity at all? You must have brought it on yourself in some way. It's the classic self protection mechanism - if other people have these things happen to them it must be because they've deserved it somehow. I'm not like that (whatever that is), so I'm OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    I think it's worst when you see it used as victim blaming.

    You have an accident, get cancer, lose your job, get mugged, any calamity at all? You must have brought it on yourself in some way. It's the classic self protection mechanism - if other people have these things happen to them it must be because they've deserved it somehow.
    It can hit even closer to home whenever anyone takes pleasure in someone else's misfortune; whether it is deserved or not.

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    I'm not like that (whatever that is), so I'm OK.
    One of the few reasons why I have been conditioning myself to not function through the act of believing (in relation to the thread question of asking "do we believe..."); it is just too easy to fall for confirmation bias simply because it can become habitual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    somewhat unique usefulness when viewed through the lens of a sociopath.
    I think it's worst when you see it used as victim blaming.

    You have an accident, get cancer, lose your job, get mugged, any calamity at all? You must have brought it on yourself in some way. It's the classic self protection mechanism - if other people have these things happen to them it must be because they've deserved it somehow. I'm not like that (whatever that is), so I'm OK.
    I agree that is nonsense.
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    I think it is true on a small scale but not in the overall big picture. Sometimes shit just happens and it isn't because of anything any one individual did. Natural disasters for instance. I surely don't think that all the people of New Orleans earned to be smacked like a red headed step child by the weather.

    But on a smaller scale in the same situation, there is speculation that fewer people would have died or had so much personal loss if they had heeded warnings to evacuate sooner or if proper precautions would have been put into place when it was advised to do so.

    So yes, if you die in a hurricane because you refused to evacuate then you got what was coming to you, but if you died because you didn't know it was coming due to absolutely no warning being given, then it was definitely not your fault.

    But it seems the smaller the scale the more frequently the idiom seems to bear some truth to it. If you treat people badly, people are not likely going to like you. So earning the dislike of others is usually (though not always) the fault of the one being disliked.
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