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    Sequel to that other infamous thread!
    Men want the upper hand, understand? Tradition from day one had them going out to fetch, early it was food, later it was money. Did "cavewomen hunt food?

    Men want lots of other things, too! First and foremost, they want women who don't "have a headache", piss and moan about it's too hot, or too cold, or too late, or too some other thing.

    Men also want to give, as well as take, believe it or not! As a young man, I was sure I was willing to die, if need be, for my statuesque new young wife. Today, they would jail me, because we started when she was 16; back then it was additionally thrilling to have this gorgeous young lady.....because she was 16! We married when she was 18, so don't get the nugies in an uproar! 12 years later, I was no longer willing to die.........

    I think I understand men, for the most part. I KNOW I don't understand women, for any part! jocular (thus has marriage been for me)


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    Sequel to that other infamous thread!
    Men want the upper hand, understand? Tradition from day one had them going out to fetch, early it was food, later it was money. Did "cavewomen hunt food?

    Men want lots of other things, too! First and foremost, they want women who don't "have a headache", piss and moan about it's too hot, or too cold, or too late, or too some other thing.

    Men also want to give, as well as take, believe it or not! As a young man, I was sure I was willing to die, if need be, for my statuesque new young wife. Today, they would jail me, because we started when she was 16; back then it was additionally thrilling to have this gorgeous young lady.....because she was 16! We married when she was 18, so don't get the nugies in an uproar! 12 years later, I was no longer willing to die.........

    I think I understand men, for the most part. I KNOW I don't understand women, for any part! jocular (thus has marriage been for me)
    If men sometimes took the que i.e. hints, suggestions...maybe they would continue to be willing to die *laughing*

    Women totally understand men. We have you guys totally figured out. WE just can't let you know it.

    IF I do NOT speak to my husband except a yes or no, he does figure out I am very very P***** off at him. If he doesn't speak to me, he has his selective hearing turned on.

    Quite simple, you know.


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    Quite simple, you know.
    Nah! The only thing simple involved here is mens' simple-mindedness! Surprised I'm siding with the ladies? Ha! I'm very fair! And, I owe you a story, I have not forgotten; thank you for your patience! (tried to find one with hands covering crotch protectively, there was none) joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    Quite simple, you know.
    Nah! The only thing simple involved here is mens' simple-mindedness! Surprised I'm siding with the ladies? Ha! I'm very fair! And, I owe you a story, I have not forgotten; thank you for your patience! (tried to find one with hands covering crotch protectively, there was none) joc
    Will share a story with you.

    A friend of many years of mine passed away 3 days ago.....

    I can tuna, and have for 32 years........and he wanted to learn so he asked me to teach he and his then GF how to can Tuna.

    Well T had a wee bit of JUJU JUICE problem, his being vodka and diet pepsi, and so I knew he'd be there more so to get us some lunch. However when we had gotten the jars started and he asked what he could do I gave him the VERY IMPORTANT job of wiping the rims with a slightly soapy towel...(or they won't seal...tuna oil is pretty thick stuff).

    He wiped the jars, one by one and finally his girlfriend turned around to him and said, "T****, if you wiped your ass like you wipe those jars, I'd be a very happy camper."

    I don't think they ever canned another jar of tuna again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    I think I understand men, for the most part.
    Do you now? Please share something that is true for ALL men.

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    I KNOW I don't understand women, for any part!
    Would you like to know more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    I think I understand men, for the most part.
    Do you now? Please share something that is true for ALL men.

    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    I KNOW I don't understand women, for any part!
    Would you like to know more?
    All men have selective hearing.

    All women have long memories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    All men have selective hearing.
    And women do not?

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    All women have long memories.
    And men do not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe
    Women totally understand men. We have you guys totally figured out. WE just can't let you know it.
    Does that mean you realize men only act nice in front of women so they can get laid? Then brag to their friends about it?
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    Hey men are dead simple understand if they're anything like me, just give them the television remote and plenty of sex and they'll be well happy, well that's what makes me happy
    Everything has its beauty, but not everyone sees it. - confucius
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    If men sometimes took the que i.e. hints, suggestions...
    ...OR YOU COULD JUST F**KING TELL US!!!

    /rantoff



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    I do not like hints. I don't pick up on them, I do not drop them for others. To me you only drop hints to people when you don't respect them enough to be straight forward with them. Dropping hints is a way of confusing people and enjoying watching them try to figure it out. Hints are what serial killers leave behind in order to taunt the police.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    I do not like hints. I don't pick up on them, I do not drop them for others. To me you only drop hints to people when you don't respect them enough to be straight forward with them. Dropping hints is a way of confusing people and enjoying watching them try to figure it out. Hints are what serial killers leave behind in order to taunt the police.
    You have an interesting way of looking at that! I like it. Never was much good at interpreting hints given me, anyway.. jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
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    All men have selective hearing.
    And women do not?

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    All women have long memories.
    And men do not?
    Ask most any woman! *chuckle*

    I don't have selective hearing. I hear and I respond accordingly.

    Women can usually remember what they wore on their first date with you, down to the color of eye shadow (if worn)....perfume, the name of the restaurant, what you had for dinner...and other things .in detail. I have found few men that can remember those types of details. Yet, men can remember who it a home run in the 7th Inning of a game 10 years ago. Different memories sequences????..I am an avid golfer but I can't tell you who won the Masters in 1994.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    Hey men are dead simple understand if they're anything like me, just give them the television remote and plenty of sex and they'll be well happy, well that's what makes me happy
    Well the remote, for sure....define plenty of sex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
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    If men sometimes took the que i.e. hints, suggestions...
    ...OR YOU COULD JUST F**KING TELL US!!!

    /rantoff



    "What would you like for your birthday, hon?"
    "Well, my first is in 'banana' but not in 'fish'......."
    That is my way. I just of tell him.

    He says, I am very vocally straighforward. Though, amazingly sometimes he just blows me out of the water by surprising me with something so unexpected, which is WONDERFUL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    I do not like hints. I don't pick up on them, I do not drop them for others. To me you only drop hints to people when you don't respect them enough to be straight forward with them. Dropping hints is a way of confusing people and enjoying watching them try to figure it out. Hints are what serial killers leave behind in order to taunt the police.
    Is a suggestion, not a hint? SO you never suggest something?

    Interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    I do not like hints. I don't pick up on them, I do not drop them for others. To me you only drop hints to people when you don't respect them enough to be straight forward with them. Dropping hints is a way of confusing people and enjoying watching them try to figure it out. Hints are what serial killers leave behind in order to taunt the police.
    Is a suggestion, not a hint? SO you never suggest something?

    Interesting!
    If I intend to suggest something I state it directly. For instance I might tell my kids, "If you don't want me tossing you out on your butt, I suggest that you don't disrespect me." I'm pretty direct. And you can ask NF how well I take hints. I don't pick up on emotional cues very well either. If someone is upset about something, I may (though not always) be able to tell that they are upset, but I won't be able to guess why unless they tell me.

    But we have gotten in many fights because he assumed I was hinting at something and I wasn't. Or because he was hinting at something and I didn't notice it.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    I think everyone has a good memory for things that are important to them or that leave an impression on them. I can remember traumatic events like they are actually still happening. Remembering inconsequential details such as what people wear or particular dates don't usually matter to me. I remember scathing remarks, threats, and floods of emotions. I have trouble remembering things like whether or not I ate today. Whether or not I took my medication. I have found myself sitting on the toilet wonder why i was in the bathroom. But I can tell you the phone number of my best friend from 1st grade and I haven't spoken to her since the 4th grade.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Ask most any woman! *chuckle*
    I rather not because of the obvious bias by asking only one gender.

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    Women can usually remember...
    Usually or always? Remember, you said "All women have long memories".

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    I have found few men that can remember those types of details.
    If there are a few men, that doesn't quite qualify as "All men have selective hearing".

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    Yet, men can remember who it a home run in the 7th Inning of a game 10 years ago. Different memories sequences????..I am an avid golfer but I can't tell you who won the Masters in 1994.
    It comes down to details (value of importance) of subjects that are of interest (value of importance) to the individual, and how those information are recorded in long/short-term memories. For example, I am not able to recall my residential postal code, but I can remember the street name & block number because that is how I navigate in my country. In this instance, the additional details (although some might argue as just as important) aren't as crucial or hampering so long as I am able to remember other details; that say a cab driver uses to organize his memories of where a location roughly is in relation to where we currently are, how to get to the district where the location is, which route to take, etc.

    The organization of memory can be said to work differently for each specific individual, just as I am bound by my handicap of organizing mine visually due to my young adulthood training in the fine arts. It really is an interesting field of study for me personally.
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    What I find interesting is the hell raising in the Zimmerman thread about how evil Racial Profiling is, yet gender profiling seems quite acceptable, here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    I think everyone has a good memory for things that are important to them or that leave an impression on them. I can remember traumatic events like they are actually still happening. Remembering inconsequential details such as what people wear or particular dates don't usually matter to me. I remember scathing remarks, threats, and floods of emotions. I have trouble remembering things like whether or not I ate today. Whether or not I took my medication. I have found myself sitting on the toilet wonder why i was in the bathroom. But I can tell you the phone number of my best friend from 1st grade and I haven't spoken to her since the 4th grade.
    I see the picture. I see the people, the clothing the words, the everything. I have always been like that. Things from childhood. The smells, and can describe them. I don't know why!

    BUT I can forget what I came into the room to do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
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    Ask most any woman! *chuckle*
    I rather not because of the obvious bias by asking only one gender.

    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Women can usually remember...
    Usually or always? Remember, you said "All women have long memories".

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    I have found few men that can remember those types of details.
    If there are a few men, that doesn't quite qualify as "All men have selective hearing".

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    Yet, men can remember who it a home run in the 7th Inning of a game 10 years ago. Different memories sequences????..I am an avid golfer but I can't tell you who won the Masters in 1994.
    It comes down to details (value of importance) of subjects that are of interest (value of importance) to the individual, and how those information are recorded in long/short-term memories. For example, I am not able to recall my residential postal code, but I can remember the street name & block number because that is how I navigate in my country. In this instance, the additional details (although some might argue as just as important) aren't as crucial or hampering so long as I am able to remember other details; that say a cab driver uses to organize his memories of where a location roughly is in relation to where we currently are, how to get to the district where the location is, which route to take, etc.

    The organization of memory can be said to work differently for each specific individual, just as I am bound by my handicap of organizing mine visually due to my young adulthood training in the fine arts. It really is an interesting field of study for me personally.
    All the women I know. I know a lot of women.

    I agree on organiztion of memory.

    I also am visually and also hands on orientated.

    We are all different. It is what makes us each a special individual IN OUR OWN WAY!
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    What I find interesting is the hell raising in the Zimmerman thread about how evil Racial Profiling is, yet gender profiling seems quite acceptable, here...
    Men and women are different.

    I disagree that the differences are "profiling".
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    I think everyone has a good memory for things that are important to them or that leave an impression on them. I can remember traumatic events like they are actually still happening. Remembering inconsequential details such as what people wear or particular dates don't usually matter to me. I remember scathing remarks, threats, and floods of emotions. I have trouble remembering things like whether or not I ate today. Whether or not I took my medication. I have found myself sitting on the toilet wonder why i was in the bathroom. But I can tell you the phone number of my best friend from 1st grade and I haven't spoken to her since the 4th grade.
    I see the picture. I see the people, the clothing the words, the everything. I have always been like that. Things from childhood. The smells, and can describe them. I don't know why!

    BUT I can forget what I came into the room to do!
    I used to think I remembered what I heard perfectly. Maybe I do. I tend to memorize lyrics and lines in a play really fast. But when in a debate with someone and I remind them of the words they actually said, they always swear up and down that I am wrong and that they didn't say what I clearly heard them say. So either they lie, I mis hear, I forget, they forget, they misremember, or a little bit of all of the above. Since a tape recorder is never available to test the situation I can never know for sure.

    I'd like to think my memory is better than I am told it is, but without officially testing it, I simply cannot know for certain.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
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    I think everyone has a good memory for things that are important to them or that leave an impression on them. I can remember traumatic events like they are actually still happening. Remembering inconsequential details such as what people wear or particular dates don't usually matter to me. I remember scathing remarks, threats, and floods of emotions. I have trouble remembering things like whether or not I ate today. Whether or not I took my medication. I have found myself sitting on the toilet wonder why i was in the bathroom. But I can tell you the phone number of my best friend from 1st grade and I haven't spoken to her since the 4th grade.
    I see the picture. I see the people, the clothing the words, the everything. I have always been like that. Things from childhood. The smells, and can describe them. I don't know why!

    BUT I can forget what I came into the room to do!
    I used to think I remembered what I heard perfectly. Maybe I do. I tend to memorize lyrics and lines in a play really fast. But when in a debate with someone and I remind them of the words they actually said, they always swear up and down that I am wrong and that they didn't say what I clearly heard them say. So either they lie, I mis hear, I forget, they forget, they misremember, or a little bit of all of the above. Since a tape recorder is never available to test the situation I can never know for sure.

    I'd like to think my memory is better than I am told it is, but without officially testing it, I simply cannot know for certain.
    I memorize words and music all the time.

    Memories....for me is uncanny, and when I relate them to people, and they remember.....they add to the memory, of maybe something I didn't observe.

    We all have different sensors. Mine aren't yours, and yours aren't mine. Doesn't make either of less or greater importance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    I think everyone has a good memory for things that are important to them or that leave an impression on them. I can remember traumatic events like they are actually still happening. Remembering inconsequential details such as what people wear or particular dates don't usually matter to me. I remember scathing remarks, threats, and floods of emotions. I have trouble remembering things like whether or not I ate today. Whether or not I took my medication. I have found myself sitting on the toilet wonder why i was in the bathroom. But I can tell you the phone number of my best friend from 1st grade and I haven't spoken to her since the 4th grade.
    I see the picture. I see the people, the clothing the words, the everything. I have always been like that. Things from childhood. The smells, and can describe them. I don't know why!

    BUT I can forget what I came into the room to do!
    I used to think I remembered what I heard perfectly. Maybe I do. I tend to memorize lyrics and lines in a play really fast. But when in a debate with someone and I remind them of the words they actually said, they always swear up and down that I am wrong and that they didn't say what I clearly heard them say. So either they lie, I mis hear, I forget, they forget, they misremember, or a little bit of all of the above. Since a tape recorder is never available to test the situation I can never know for sure.

    I'd like to think my memory is better than I am told it is, but without officially testing it, I simply cannot know for certain.
    I memorize words and music all the time.

    Memories....for me is uncanny, and when I relate them to people, and they remember.....they add to the memory, of maybe something I didn't observe.

    We all have different sensors. Mine aren't yours, and yours aren't mine. Doesn't make either of less or greater importance.
    Agreed. I just don't have as much faith in mine as you do. But then you may not get challenged as often as I do in regards to what I do or do not hear. I have limited social interactions.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    I think everyone has a good memory for things that are important to them or that leave an impression on them. I can remember traumatic events like they are actually still happening. Remembering inconsequential details such as what people wear or particular dates don't usually matter to me. I remember scathing remarks, threats, and floods of emotions. I have trouble remembering things like whether or not I ate today. Whether or not I took my medication. I have found myself sitting on the toilet wonder why i was in the bathroom. But I can tell you the phone number of my best friend from 1st grade and I haven't spoken to her since the 4th grade.
    I see the picture. I see the people, the clothing the words, the everything. I have always been like that. Things from childhood. The smells, and can describe them. I don't know why!

    BUT I can forget what I came into the room to do!
    I used to think I remembered what I heard perfectly. Maybe I do. I tend to memorize lyrics and lines in a play really fast. But when in a debate with someone and I remind them of the words they actually said, they always swear up and down that I am wrong and that they didn't say what I clearly heard them say. So either they lie, I mis hear, I forget, they forget, they misremember, or a little bit of all of the above. Since a tape recorder is never available to test the situation I can never know for sure.

    I'd like to think my memory is better than I am told it is, but without officially testing it, I simply cannot know for certain.
    I memorize words and music all the time.

    Memories....for me is uncanny, and when I relate them to people, and they remember.....they add to the memory, of maybe something I didn't observe.

    We all have different sensors. Mine aren't yours, and yours aren't mine. Doesn't make either of less or greater importance.
    Agreed. I just don't have as much faith in mine as you do. But then you may not get challenged as often as I do in regards to what I do or do not hear. I have limited social interactions.
    I am social.

    To a point.

    I like my social time, and I love my quiet time.

    Balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I am social.
    To a point.
    Exactly!
    And that "point" is where other people are involved in the socialising.
    Anything before that is fine.
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    I am social.
    To a point.
    Exactly!
    And that "point" is where other people are involved in the socialising.
    Anything before that is fine.
    Don't mean to be DENSE but I don't get your post.

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    Don't mean to be DENSE but I don't get your post.
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    I don't think I can simplify it any more.
    Socialising is great.
    In theory.
    But as soon as it actually involves people other than just me then that's the point it stops being a good idea.
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    I am social.
    To a point.
    Exactly!
    And that "point" is where other people are involved in the socialising.
    Anything before that is fine.
    Same here. I socialize on purely superficial levels with other people, meaning I can manage to order food at a restaurant or communicate necessary information in any business exchange, but I always get confused when someone says, "Hello, how are you today?" I realize they don't really care and that they are asking to be friendly so more often than not I just answer them honestly and they look at me very confused as to why I tell them that I have gas. Their job training didn't tell the what to say if the customer doesn't say, "I'm fine,how are you?" It always bothers me when people pretend to be interested when they aren't.
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    Don't mean to be DENSE but I don't get your post.
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    I don't think I can simplify it any more.
    Socialising is great.
    In theory.
    But as soon as it actually involves people other than just me then that's the point it stops being a good idea.
    Ah then Mr. Esteemed British Duck...we are very different.

    Which is fine........

    I spend a lot of time by myself in Hawai'i, but chose when I wish to socialize, generally at all times both here in Humboldt and in Hawai'i....and I live where no one bothers me *L*....I like to chose my social environment. However, in theatre, there are times you are required to be very social. I oblige.
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    I am social.
    To a point.
    Exactly!
    And that "point" is where other people are involved in the socialising.
    Anything before that is fine.
    Same here. I socialize on purely superficial levels with other people, meaning I can manage to order food at a restaurant or communicate necessary information in any business exchange, but I always get confused when someone says, "Hello, how are you today?" I realize they don't really care and that they are asking to be friendly so more often than not I just answer them honestly and they look at me very confused as to why I tell them that I have gas. Their job training didn't tell the what to say if the customer doesn't say, "I'm fine,how are you?" It always bothers me when people pretend to be interested when they aren't.
    Ahhh then, we are very very different. I love being with people. However, it is a "when I chose". I love my alone time also.....like this....sunset at my home in Hawai'i.....I took this picture...and it defines my quiet and private side.

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    All the women I know. I know a lot of women.
    That's just it. A lot of (or most) women does not equate to All women.

    Its almost like saying that I know a lot of women are shallow & vain, but that does not necessarily mean All women are shallow & vain. I do know some women who aren't like that and both value/demand performance, accomplishments, personality, etc from themselves and the people around them. Those I have spoken and interacted with do not see the people around them in terms of gender. They see a person, disregarding whether they are men or women.
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    All the women I know. I know a lot of women.
    That's just it. A lot of (or most) women does not equate to All women.

    Its almost like saying that I know a lot of women are shallow & vain, but that does not necessarily mean All women are shallow & vain. I do know some women who aren't like that and both value/demand performance, accomplishments, personality, etc from themselves and the people around them. Those I have spoken and interacted with do not see the people around them in terms of gender. They see a person, disregarding whether they are men or women.
    No one can say ALL of anything about anything. We both know that.

    GEEZUS ....

    but GENERALLY SPEAKING, YES! Most women I talk to in ANY WALK of life. be they MD's, PH'D, actors, accountants, lawyers, and every other walk of life I have experienced would agree with me IN GENERAL!
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    and I will further your ire, but saying....and I don't know a woman who would disagree with me "IN GENERAL"

    Men are the most whiny sick people EVER!...

    So why are they so needy when they are sick.

    AND CRANKY!
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    and I will further your ire, but saying....and I don't know a woman who would disagree with me "IN GENERAL"

    Men are the most whiny sick people EVER!...

    So why are they so needy when they are sick.

    AND CRANKY!
    It gets women to fawn over them! jocular
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    I am a woman who would disagree. My dad doesn't whine when he is sick. None of my sons whine when they are sick. And fawning over NF when he is sick may get you hurt. My dad, my sons and NF generally just want to sleep when they are sick, and be left alone. My daughter whines a little bit but not as much as I see other people whine. But then I come from part of the country where whining is frowned on in general. Whining will get you slapped down. I was born in Kentucky, and there, it doesn't matter what's wrong with you, you better get your butt up and go to work. If you whine, be you male or female, you will likely be ostracized from the community. When one of my kids get hurt, I ask them what's wrong, they tell me and 99.99999% of the time, I will tell them, "You'll live" and the subject is dropped. Unless I see blood or a bone sticking out, or genuine signs of severity, I give very little attention to injuries or illness.
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    When my dad gets sick, going into his room is like sharing the last moment of life with some 120 year old man.

    When my father-in-law gets sick, he only works 12 hours at the foundry instead of 16.
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    When my dad gets sick, going into his room is like sharing the last moment of life with some 120 year old man.

    When my father-in-law gets sick, he only works 12 hours at the foundry instead of 16.
    Exactly, it comes down to how people are brought up and their individual personality traits. Unless some rock solid statistics can be produced, there is really no solid grounds for continuing to perpetrate gender stereotypes.
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    I am a woman who would disagree. My dad doesn't whine when he is sick. None of my sons whine when they are sick. And fawning over NF when he is sick may get you hurt. My dad, my sons and NF generally just want to sleep when they are sick, and be left alone. My daughter whines a little bit but not as much as I see other people whine. But then I come from part of the country where whining is frowned on in general. Whining will get you slapped down. I was born in Kentucky, and there, it doesn't matter what's wrong with you, you better get your butt up and go to work. If you whine, be you male or female, you will likely be ostracized from the community. When one of my kids get hurt, I ask them what's wrong, they tell me and 99.99999% of the time, I will tell them, "You'll live" and the subject is dropped. Unless I see blood or a bone sticking out, or genuine signs of severity, I give very little attention to injuries or illness.
    I was being facetious about the "fawning", thought you would catch that. When my Mother, as a 9 year old, running through a field in Iowa near the clay tile plant where her Dad worked (there was broken tile all over), fell and gashed open her forehead, came running home screaming, the first thing her mother did was give her a licking for doing a foolish thing, then dressed the wound. These were "Old World" traits, which came over with the folks from Europe. jocular
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    Sorry I wasn't clear in my post. The statement I was disagreeing with was " Most women I talk to in ANY WALK of life. be they MD's, PH'D, actors, accountants, lawyers, and every other walk of life I have experienced would agree with me IN GENERAL! "

    But now rereading it. I guess I am only one person Babe speaks to so her statement is probably accurate if most of the women she associates with are sexists to some degree. I'm just one of many women she talks to. But neither Babe's nor my experiences are sufficient case studies. We have our own biases. We choose our friends according to common interests and/or views. I don't tend to appreciate the company of sexists whether they are male or female. I don't appreciate the company of racists, homophobes, xenophobes or any other self superior groups. Not even the ones in denial.
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    and I will further your ire, but saying....and I don't know a woman who would disagree with me "IN GENERAL"

    Men are the most whiny sick people EVER!...

    So why are they so needy when they are sick.

    AND CRANKY!

    It gets women to fawn over them! jocular
    *laughing*

    Well put.

    Well I just offering homeade chicken soup, and tell him I love him, and let him think I am pampering him, and then I go hit golf balls. I feel better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Sorry I wasn't clear in my post. The statement I was disagreeing with was " Most women I talk to in ANY WALK of life. be they MD's, PH'D, actors, accountants, lawyers, and every other walk of life I have experienced would agree with me IN GENERAL! "

    But now rereading it. I guess I am only one person Babe speaks to so her statement is probably accurate if most of the women she associates with are sexists to some degree. I'm just one of many women she talks to. But neither Babe's nor my experiences are sufficient case studies. We have our own biases. We choose our friends according to common interests and/or views. I don't tend to appreciate the company of sexists whether they are male or female. I don't appreciate the company of racists, homophobes, xenophobes or any other self superior groups. Not even the ones in denial.
    *smile*

    I reallly believe men and women are different and don't consider that sexist. One speaks from their own personal observations in their life journey.

    I agree with your last sentence, however. WE each live our lives on our own term.. my own moto....which is I try to treat every human being how I wish to be treated. I really try. I am sure I don't always succeed, but I do try.
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    The thing is, personal experience is not a scientifically acceptable form of evidence. We all perceive our world through our own filter of personal bias. We take notice and hold on to those things that confirm our biases and tend to ignore the things that contradict our biases. When I am in my casual mode and not making any attempt to be particularly accurate or honest with myself, I may accuse a whiny drama draggin man as being as bad as a woman. Or I may refer to a woman who isn't afraid to get her hands dirty of being like a man. But as often as I make these inappropriate comparisons, the only rational conclusion I can come to is that the gender patterns I was told were true as a kid, and often look to confirm, do not really exist. When I see a man being burly and tough, it does not contradict what I was raised to believe men are so I see it as confirmation that I was told the truth. When I see a man crying because he broke a nail, and I see this about as often as I see women doing it, that the man is acting like a woman. But broken nails hurt, whether you are a man or a woman and they can bring tears in any person who is sensitive to pain. And what you have between your legs has very little to do with pain threshhold.

    When I am being honest with myself I see very little behavioral differences between men and women unless there is an extreme cultural enforcement of those differences such as when I lived in Pakistan. But even then, the men there tend to act the way women are stereotypically described as acting over here, and the women over there, well I rarely saw any of them acting freely so I can't say if I ever saw them acting natural. But for the most part, the women there have to be tough as nails because they do all the work, unless the family is poor.
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    The thing is, personal experience is not a scientifically acceptable form of evidence. We all perceive our world through our own filter of personal bias. We take notice and hold on to those things that confirm our biases and tend to ignore the things that contradict our biases. When I am in my casual mode and not making any attempt to be particularly accurate or honest with myself, I may accuse a whiny drama draggin man as being as bad as a woman. Or I may refer to a woman who isn't afraid to get her hands dirty of being like a man. But as often as I make these inappropriate comparisons, the only rational conclusion I can come to is that the gender patterns I was told were true as a kid, and often look to confirm, do not really exist. When I see a man being burly and tough, it does not contradict what I was raised to believe men are so I see it as confirmation that I was told the truth. When I see a man crying because he broke a nail, and I see this about as often as I see women doing it, that the man is acting like a woman. But broken nails hurt, whether you are a man or a woman and they can bring tears in any person who is sensitive to pain. And what you have between your legs has very little to do with pain threshhold.

    When I am being honest with myself I see very little behavioral differences between men and women unless there is an extreme cultural enforcement of those differences such as when I lived in Pakistan. But even then, the men there tend to act the way women are stereotypically described as acting over here, and the women over there, well I rarely saw any of them acting freely so I can't say if I ever saw them acting natural. But for the most part, the women there have to be tough as nails because they do all the work, unless the family is poor.
    Personal experience is a form of research *S*.

    I disagree.

    When researchers test they test individuals on different factors, and that is each individuals, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, with what they are testing which they take into consideration when ESPECIALLY doing research on medical things.

    We shall disagree.
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    When researchers test they test individuals on different factors, and that is each individuals, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, with what they are testing which they take into consideration when ESPECIALLY doing research on medical things.
    But they test for common, i.e. non-personal, elements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    When researchers test they test individuals on different factors, and that is each individuals, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, with what they are testing which they take into consideration when ESPECIALLY doing research on medical things.
    But they test for common, i.e. non-personal, elements.
    Agreed, but sometimes COMMON and PERSONAL elements coincide!
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    The personal experiences of one individual, the observer, is not research. For research to be scientifically valid, and be based on experience, it must be based on the experiences of a huge sample of the population and the data must then be interpreted by several different people with different perspectives and then tested to see if it consistent across various subsections of the population. Your personal observations are no more valid than the personal observations of me or a deranged lunatic playing with imaginary friends. If this were just a social forum, your remarks would not cause anyone to bat an eye. But this is a science forum and the readers, lurkers, and students that come here, are often looking for scientifically reliable viewpoints. The ones you are stating are not scientifically validated. They are valid to you and only you. Useful to you and only you.

    As a science forum, the moderation and the regular members have an obligation to science students around the world to ensure that anything that is scientifically inaccurate be denounced and corrected.

    I realize you have suffered some recent losses and because of that I have been reluctant to say much. But one person's personal pain can only allow erroneous statements to slide so far. If we allowed everyone who was feeling some emotional turmoil at some time to consistently espouse anti-scientific thinking to the point that they are misleading young readers about what science actually is, then this would not be a science forum for very long. It would just be your run of the mill social chat room.

    I have no intention of being demeaning or degrading or disrespectful to you. But as a scientific community we must maintain the standards of what is acceptable claims to be made on a science forum. Simply put, if you cannot back up claims with actual studies, hesitate to make such claims.

    Yes there are biological differences between men and women. But the observed behavioral differences between men and women are so inconsistent across cultures that it isn't worth putting the effort into discussing. Now if you want to discuss the different culturally accepted gender roles that span the globe then you may have some ground to stand on. but to suggest that men or women in general behave any particular way without validating by specifying cultural influences within the regions of world or country of the men or women you are referring to, puts you on a very slippery slope with the scientific community.
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    Agreed, but sometimes COMMON and PERSONAL elements coincide!
    That would have to be true.
    If it's not common 1 it's not useful.
    That's why subjective anecdotes tend to be worthless as evidence.

    1 For a given value of common.
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    Sorry I wasn't clear in my post. The statement I was disagreeing with was " Most women I talk to in ANY WALK of life. be they MD's, PH'D, actors, accountants, lawyers, and every other walk of life I have experienced would agree with me IN GENERAL! "

    But now rereading it. I guess I am only one person Babe speaks to so her statement is probably accurate if most of the women she associates with are sexists to some degree. I'm just one of many women she talks to. But neither Babe's nor my experiences are sufficient case studies. We have our own biases. We choose our friends according to common interests and/or views. I don't tend to appreciate the company of sexists whether they are male or female. I don't appreciate the company of racists, homophobes, xenophobes or any other self superior groups. Not even the ones in denial.
    Forgive my stupidity, if you will, but WTH, exactly, are "sexists"? jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    The personal experiences of one individual, the observer, is not research. For research to be scientifically valid, and be based on experience, it must be based on the experiences of a huge sample of the population and the data must then be interpreted by several different people with different perspectives and then tested to see if it consistent across various subsections of the population. Your personal observations are no more valid than the personal observations of me or a deranged lunatic playing with imaginary friends. If this were just a social forum, your remarks would not cause anyone to bat an eye. But this is a science forum and the readers, lurkers, and students that come here, are often looking for scientifically reliable viewpoints. The ones you are stating are not scientifically validated. They are valid to you and only you. Useful to you and only you.

    As a science forum, the moderation and the regular members have an obligation to science students around the world to ensure that anything that is scientifically inaccurate be denounced and corrected.

    I realize you have suffered some recent losses and because of that I have been reluctant to say much. But one person's personal pain can only allow erroneous statements to slide so far. If we allowed everyone who was feeling some emotional turmoil at some time to consistently espouse anti-scientific thinking to the point that they are misleading young readers about what science actually is, then this would not be a science forum for very long. It would just be your run of the mill social chat room.

    I have no intention of being demeaning or degrading or disrespectful to you. But as a scientific community we must maintain the standards of what is acceptable claims to be made on a science forum. Simply put, if you cannot back up claims with actual studies, hesitate to make such claims.

    Yes there are biological differences between men and women. But the observed behavioral differences between men and women are so inconsistent across cultures that it isn't worth putting the effort into discussing. Now if you want to discuss the different culturally accepted gender roles that span the globe then you may have some ground to stand on. but to suggest that men or women in general behave any particular way without validating by specifying cultural influences within the regions of world or country of the men or women you are referring to, puts you on a very slippery slope with the scientific community.
    I disagree.

    Research also takes into account individuals.

    I have explained who I am.

    Accept it or not.

    I won't argue with you

    I stand my ground.
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    Sorry I wasn't clear in my post. The statement I was disagreeing with was " Most women I talk to in ANY WALK of life. be they MD's, PH'D, actors, accountants, lawyers, and every other walk of life I have experienced would agree with me IN GENERAL! "

    But now rereading it. I guess I am only one person Babe speaks to so her statement is probably accurate if most of the women she associates with are sexists to some degree. I'm just one of many women she talks to. But neither Babe's nor my experiences are sufficient case studies. We have our own biases. We choose our friends according to common interests and/or views. I don't tend to appreciate the company of sexists whether they are male or female. I don't appreciate the company of racists, homophobes, xenophobes or any other self superior groups. Not even the ones in denial.
    Forgive my stupidity, if you will, but WTH, exactly, are "sexists"? jocular
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    I am social.
    To a point.
    Exactly!
    And that "point" is where other people are involved in the socialising.
    Anything before that is fine.
    Same here. I socialize on purely superficial levels with other people, meaning I can manage to order food at a restaurant or communicate necessary information in any business exchange, but I always get confused when someone says, "Hello, how are you today?" I realize they don't really care and that they are asking to be friendly so more often than not I just answer them honestly and they look at me very confused as to why I tell them that I have gas. Their job training didn't tell the what to say if the customer doesn't say, "I'm fine,how are you?" It always bothers me when people pretend to be interested when they aren't.
    This is the identicle concern that pisses me off almost more than anything else! Hi! How are you? My first thought, unspoken, is, who the hell wants to know? Obviously not you! Or, "Have a good day!". I would have, without this pernicious comment! This all stems from, as my nephew puts it (he's a lifetime student of human mores), superficial and vacuous artificial concern for others. jocular
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    ...... But the observed behavioral differences between men and women are so inconsistent across cultures that it isn't worth putting the effort into discussing. Now if you want to discuss the different culturally accepted gender roles that span the globe then you may have some ground to stand on. but to suggest that men or women in general behave any particular way without validating by specifying cultural influences within the regions of world or country of the men or women you are referring to, puts you on a very slippery slope with the scientific community.
    Agreed, and understood!! Thus, why are we putting so much effort, collectively, into this miasma of incongruency? jocular
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    I am social.
    To a point.
    Exactly!
    And that "point" is where other people are involved in the socialising.
    Anything before that is fine.
    Same here. I socialize on purely superficial levels with other people, meaning I can manage to order food at a restaurant or communicate necessary information in any business exchange, but I always get confused when someone says, "Hello, how are you today?" I realize they don't really care and that they are asking to be friendly so more often than not I just answer them honestly and they look at me very confused as to why I tell them that I have gas. Their job training didn't tell the what to say if the customer doesn't say, "I'm fine,how are you?" It always bothers me when people pretend to be interested when they aren't.
    This is the identicle concern that pisses me off almost more than anything else! Hi! How are you? My first thought, unspoken, is, who the hell wants to know? Obviously not you! Or, "Have a good day!". I would have, without this pernicious comment! This all stems from, as my nephew puts it (he's a lifetime student of human mores), superficial and vacuous artificial concern for others. jocular

    Incorrect!! If I ask you how you are? It is because I care. If I don't care, I don't inquire. *chuckle*

    I am very social. I am also very quiet at times. I like both places, and retreat to the one I desire at the moment!

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    I don't tend to appreciate the company of sexists whether they are male or female.
    Yup.
    In fact the only thing worse than a sexist is a woman who won't do as she's told.

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    Sorry I wasn't clear in my post. The statement I was disagreeing with was " Most women I talk to in ANY WALK of life. be they MD's, PH'D, actors, accountants, lawyers, and every other walk of life I have experienced would agree with me IN GENERAL! "

    But now rereading it. I guess I am only one person Babe speaks to so her statement is probably accurate if most of the women she associates with are sexists to some degree. I'm just one of many women she talks to. But neither Babe's nor my experiences are sufficient case studies. We have our own biases. We choose our friends according to common interests and/or views. I don't tend to appreciate the company of sexists whether they are male or female. I don't appreciate the company of racists, homophobes, xenophobes or any other self superior groups. Not even the ones in denial.
    Forgive my stupidity, if you will, but WTH, exactly, are "sexists"? jocular
    Not a stupid question at all. The first time I heard the term I thought it was referring to people like Dr. Ruth. Similar to words like dentist, or theist. But "sexist" refers to people who believe that people of a particular sex are generally all the same, and usually inferior in some way if not all ways to the other sex. When negative attributes or undesirable personality traits are intentionally associated with members of a particular sex as a general rule or implication of reality, these ideas are said to be sexist. For instance, to say all or most women are dingy and overly emotional, is sexist. To say all or most men are macho insensitive thugs is a sexist remark.

    My explanation may not be perfectly accurate though so feel free to double check my description by outside sources. Here is one: Sexism-Wikipedia
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    Loblaws is in the process of acquiring Shoppers Drug Mart in Canada.

    Here we have Canada's largest supermarket chain joining with the nations largest pharmacy retail chain as one strategy to compete with Walmart and Target. What is of significant interest to Loblaws is all of the personal shopping data of Shoppers from which they can observe and respond to consumer buying trends in formulating their forward marketing strategies. The placement of many of the Shoppers Drug Mart venues in the rural/urban interface is also a great platform for cross-merchandising the PC house brand and vice versa with Shoppers house brand coming to the Loblaws stores.

    In my observations of men and women, I note several differences in the shopping styles of the genders and I would find it very interesting to look at the data of the Optimum rewards program (which has information such as M/F contained) to see just how much difference there actually is regarding how often, on what days/times, amount spent per visit etc. exists between men and women.

    We currently reside in a culture of commerce and given that men have historically earned more on average than women, I would personally find it of interest to examine proven statistics on their spending habits in two venues that I am quite familiar with to see if the numbers actually bear out my perceptions or if my extrapolations are in error.
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    In my observations of men and women, I note several differences in the shopping styles of the genders
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    I don't tend to appreciate the company of sexists whether they are male or female.
    Yup.
    In fact the only thing worse than a sexist is a woman who won't do as she's told.

    / Runs very quickly...
    I drive a very very fast sports car...you'd better run faster than you ever thought you could, Mr. DUCK!!! *L*
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    The personal experiences of one individual, the observer, is not research. For research to be scientifically valid, and be based on experience, it must be based on the experiences of a huge sample of the population and the data must then be interpreted by several different people with different perspectives and then tested to see if it consistent across various subsections of the population. Your personal observations are no more valid than the personal observations of me or a deranged lunatic playing with imaginary friends. If this were just a social forum, your remarks would not cause anyone to bat an eye. But this is a science forum and the readers, lurkers, and students that come here, are often looking for scientifically reliable viewpoints. The ones you are stating are not scientifically validated. They are valid to you and only you. Useful to you and only you.

    As a science forum, the moderation and the regular members have an obligation to science students around the world to ensure that anything that is scientifically inaccurate be denounced and corrected.

    I realize you have suffered some recent losses and because of that I have been reluctant to say much. But one person's personal pain can only allow erroneous statements to slide so far. If we allowed everyone who was feeling some emotional turmoil at some time to consistently espouse anti-scientific thinking to the point that they are misleading young readers about what science actually is, then this would not be a science forum for very long. It would just be your run of the mill social chat room.

    I have no intention of being demeaning or degrading or disrespectful to you. But as a scientific community we must maintain the standards of what is acceptable claims to be made on a science forum. Simply put, if you cannot back up claims with actual studies, hesitate to make such claims.

    Yes there are biological differences between men and women. But the observed behavioral differences between men and women are so inconsistent across cultures that it isn't worth putting the effort into discussing. Now if you want to discuss the different culturally accepted gender roles that span the globe then you may have some ground to stand on. but to suggest that men or women in general behave any particular way without validating by specifying cultural influences within the regions of world or country of the men or women you are referring to, puts you on a very slippery slope with the scientific community.
    I disagree.

    Research also takes into account individuals.

    I have explained who I am.

    Accept it or not.

    I won't argue with you

    I stand my ground.
    You can feel free to disagree with accepted science if you wish. Stand your ground if you wish. I will not attempt to explain any further. I learned a long time ago that it is not worth trying to teach anyone who believes they know more than anyone else on a topic. I finally understand that expression about not being able to pour anymore water into a cup that is already full.

    I just wish my first impression of you had been more accurate. But the graceful humility you displayed early on seems to have run out.
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    Loblaws is in the process of acquiring Shoppers Drug Mart in Canada.

    Here we have Canada's largest supermarket chain joining with the nations largest pharmacy retail chain as one strategy to compete with Walmart and Target. What is of significant interest to Loblaws is all of the personal shopping data of Shoppers from which they can observe and respond to consumer buying trends in formulating their forward marketing strategies. The placement of many of the Shoppers Drug Mart venues in the rural/urban interface is also a great platform for cross-merchandising the PC house brand and vice versa with Shoppers house brand coming to the Loblaws stores.

    In my observations of men and women, I note several differences in the shopping styles of the genders and I would find it very interesting to look at the data of the Optimum rewards program (which has information such as M/F contained) to see just how much difference there actually is regarding how often, on what days/times, amount spent per visit etc. exists between men and women.

    We currently reside in a culture of commerce and given that men have historically earned more on average than women, I would personally find it of interest to examine proven statistics on their spending habits in two venues that I am quite familiar with to see if the numbers actually bear out my perceptions or if my extrapolations are in error.
    Would be interesting.......I am not a shopper, neither is my husband...but my sis is and my friend, Michael shops more than my sis and I combined!
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    In my observations of men and women, I note several differences in the shopping styles of the genders
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    I don't tend to appreciate the company of sexists whether they are male or female.
    Yup.
    In fact the only thing worse than a sexist is a woman who won't do as she's told.

    / Runs very quickly...
    NF usually complains when I do, do what I'm told. But that is because he isn't very good at saying what he means lol. I take things very literally most of the time. Sarcasm tends to end badly in this household.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I drive a very very fast sports car...you'd better run faster than you ever thought you could, Mr. DUCK!!! *L*
    In point of fact I wouldn't run.
    That tended to be one of the very first comments out of my mouth whenever I met a previously unencountered female in my local pub.

    (Although, to be fair, the majority of guys stood next to me ran...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    I drive a very very fast sports car...you'd better run faster than you ever thought you could, Mr. DUCK!!! *L*
    In point of fact I wouldn't run.
    That tended to be one of the very first comments out of my mouth whenever I met a previously unencountered female in my local pub.

    (Although, to be fair, the majority of guys stood next to me ran...)
    were they "smarter'?

    NOW I am running!
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    Thank you for this affirmative post.
    Unless I suspect there are book and/ or model shops in the vicinity.
    Then I extend the path.
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    were they "smarter'?
    Nope.
    Just less convinced than I that women have a sense of humour 1.
    The usual responses are:
    Male: WTF? You can't say that!
    Female: That's brilliant, I'm so gonna use that in future.

    Or, possibly. less certain than I that women would be capable of detecting the dripping irony in my voice.
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    Loblaws is in the process of acquiring Shoppers Drug Mart in Canada.

    Here we have Canada's largest supermarket chain joining with the nations largest pharmacy retail chain as one strategy to compete with Walmart and Target. What is of significant interest to Loblaws is all of the personal shopping data of Shoppers from which they can observe and respond to consumer buying trends in formulating their forward marketing strategies. The placement of many of the Shoppers Drug Mart venues in the rural/urban interface is also a great platform for cross-merchandising the PC house brand and vice versa with Shoppers house brand coming to the Loblaws stores.

    In my observations of men and women, I note several differences in the shopping styles of the genders and I would find it very interesting to look at the data of the Optimum rewards program (which has information such as M/F contained) to see just how much difference there actually is regarding how often, on what days/times, amount spent per visit etc. exists between men and women.

    We currently reside in a culture of commerce and given that men have historically earned more on average than women, I would personally find it of interest to examine proven statistics on their spending habits in two venues that I am quite familiar with to see if the numbers actually bear out my perceptions or if my extrapolations are in error.
    I surely KNOW your post is descriptive of current happenings in local retailing, but am truly sorry, it is in the overall, incomprehensible. Could you reduce your overall statement into a simpler prelificitationism? jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    were they "smarter'?
    Nope.
    Just less convinced than I that women have a sense of humour 1.
    The usual responses are:
    Male: WTF? You can't say that!
    Female: That's brilliant, I'm so gonna use that in future.

    Or, possibly. less certain than I that women would be capable of detecting the dripping irony in my voice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    Loblaws is in the process of acquiring Shoppers Drug Mart in Canada.

    Here we have Canada's largest supermarket chain joining with the nations largest pharmacy retail chain as one strategy to compete with Walmart and Target. What is of significant interest to Loblaws is all of the personal shopping data of Shoppers from which they can observe and respond to consumer buying trends in formulating their forward marketing strategies. The placement of many of the Shoppers Drug Mart venues in the rural/urban interface is also a great platform for cross-merchandising the PC house brand and vice versa with Shoppers house brand coming to the Loblaws stores.

    In my observations of men and women, I note several differences in the shopping styles of the genders and I would find it very interesting to look at the data of the Optimum rewards program (which has information such as M/F contained) to see just how much difference there actually is regarding how often, on what days/times, amount spent per visit etc. exists between men and women.

    We currently reside in a culture of commerce and given that men have historically earned more on average than women, I would personally find it of interest to examine proven statistics on their spending habits in two venues that I am quite familiar with to see if the numbers actually bear out my perceptions or if my extrapolations are in error.
    Would be interesting.......I am not a shopper, neither is my husband...but my sis is and my friend, Michael shops more than my sis and I combined!
    Which means what? That they are more well-rounded, more closely-ingrained, more easily influenced by adverising, more intent on "getting over: on you? jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Thank you for this affirmative post.
    Unless I suspect there are book and/ or model shops in the vicinity.
    Then I extend the path.
    Nf and I don't tend to enjoy shopping unless we are in a tool store or a hobby shop. We both like building things, fixing things, and inventing things. He loves model railroading and I like to make miniatures of just about anything. The smaller the better. Other than that I like to do special effects Hollywood style make up.
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    Exavtly.
    Food and clothes shopping 1 don't particularly interest me.
    OTOH I can exhaust the patience of both my sisters combined if I'm in a book shop or hobby shop.

    1 With one nearly-exception, but that's long past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    Loblaws is in the process of acquiring Shoppers Drug Mart in Canada.

    Here we have Canada's largest supermarket chain joining with the nations largest pharmacy retail chain as one strategy to compete with Walmart and Target. What is of significant interest to Loblaws is all of the personal shopping data of Shoppers from which they can observe and respond to consumer buying trends in formulating their forward marketing strategies. The placement of many of the Shoppers Drug Mart venues in the rural/urban interface is also a great platform for cross-merchandising the PC house brand and vice versa with Shoppers house brand coming to the Loblaws stores.

    In my observations of men and women, I note several differences in the shopping styles of the genders and I would find it very interesting to look at the data of the Optimum rewards program (which has information such as M/F contained) to see just how much difference there actually is regarding how often, on what days/times, amount spent per visit etc. exists between men and women.

    We currently reside in a culture of commerce and given that men have historically earned more on average than women, I would personally find it of interest to examine proven statistics on their spending habits in two venues that I am quite familiar with to see if the numbers actually bear out my perceptions or if my extrapolations are in error.
    Would be interesting.......I am not a shopper, neither is my husband...but my sis is and my friend, Michael shops more than my sis and I combined!
    Which means what? That they are more well-rounded, more closely-ingrained, more easily influenced by adverising, more intent on "getting over: on you? jocular
    No, more like...seems like shopping isn't gender related....to me...it is individual preference.....both men and women LOVE to shop OR HATE to shop. I just don't see it being gender related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Exavtly.
    Food and clothes shopping 1 don't particularly interest me.
    OTOH I can exhaust the patience of both my sisters combined if I'm in a book shop or hobby shop.

    1 With one nearly-exception, but that's long past.
    I shop because I need to. Clothes wear out quickly in Hawai'i, and I need enough to rotate them. My size is VERY DIFFICULT to find! So when I go to a big city, I shop, but I tunnel mind shop. I know what I am looking for. I don't peruse or browse.

    I do however love to shop for furniture and paintings....
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    Tsk.
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    But it's possible to generalise, isn't it?
    Men will shop in a goal-oriented fashion, women are more open to possibility and serendipity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Exavtly.
    Food and clothes shopping 1 don't particularly interest me.
    OTOH I can exhaust the patience of both my sisters combined if I'm in a book shop or hobby shop.

    1 With one nearly-exception, but that's long past.
    About the only way I think NF and I would be perfectly happy shopping for clothes is is we had an unlimited budget and we found a store that sold exclusively high quality steam punk gear.


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    About the only way I think NF and I would be perfectly happy shopping for clothes is is we had an unlimited budget
    That was my sole exception too.
    And even on that occasion the longest part was finding the damn shop.
    And the grand total of six words to make the purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Thank you for this affirmative post.
    Unless I suspect there are book and/ or model shops in the vicinity.
    Then I extend the path.
    Withholding such pertinent details could invalidate the study.
    Self-reporting has been demonstrated to be an unreliable mechanism for gathering evidence in research.
    Anything else that you are holding in reserve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Withholding such pertinent details could invalidate the study.
    I gave an exception, not a general circumstance.
    Such shopping is rare for me, ergo it's not a major consideration.

    Anything else that you are holding in reserve?
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    But it's possible to generalise, isn't it?
    Men will shop in a goal-oriented fashion, women are more open to possibility and serendipity.
    *laughing* well that is the general thought....I have found it both ways in both genders!
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    Withholding such pertinent details could invalidate the study.
    I gave an exception, not a general circumstance.
    Such shopping is rare for me, ergo it's not a major consideration.

    Anything else that you are holding in reserve?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    But it's possible to generalise, isn't it?
    Men will shop in a goal-oriented fashion, women are more open to possibility and serendipity.
    Still depends on the individual. I shop with a goal. I don't like to shop unless I intend to buy and I have a solid plan as to what I want when I get to the store. I confused the last sales guy I ran into when I bought my laptop. NF and I walked into the store, I walked to the laptop area. did a quick run down the aisle, stopped when I got to the one I wanted and said, pointing at the laptop, "this one!". It took me all of 5 minutes in the store to find what I wanted. But took about 15 minutes for the on floor sales guy to realize I was ready to buy what I was standing by. He came to answer questions but when he said, " Can I help you find what you are looking for?" I said, "I want to buy this one." He had to figure out where to shove his sales pitch lol.

    I suffer from choice paralysis. If too many options are offered I can't decide, end up having an anxiety attack, and don't buy anything at all. So I do my shopping on line, make up my mind what I want, then go buy it. I hate Christmas time. But NF has it easy, if he asks me what I want, I tell him. lol.

    And he is perfectly safe buying me a vacuum cleaner, tools, appliances for the kitchen. If he spends a bunch of money on jewelry he will be picking it out of his stinky parts for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
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    But it's possible to generalise, isn't it?
    Men will shop in a goal-oriented fashion, women are more open to possibility and serendipity.
    Still depends on the individual.
    Uh, isn't that implied in the word "generalise"?
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    I shop for what I am shopping for.

    I go into a store. If I don't find it I leave.

    If I find it, I (if cothing I have to try it on, cause I am a size 0 and sometimes a 2 and finding anything that fits me is like pulling teeth)

    My husband loves to buy me jewelry. I love receiving it.

    I buy all the computers and take care of them. He simply doesn't have time.

    Seagypsy and I are alike in that.

    I want that computer, but usually they get it. I want it. Not a discussion. Just do it. Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    But it's possible to generalise, isn't it?
    Men will shop in a goal-oriented fashion, women are more open to possibility and serendipity.
    Still depends on the individual.
    Uh, isn't that implied in the word "generalise"?
    huh? Have I missed another joke?
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    I pre-shop on-line also. Then I go to the store and examine what I think I want. If the salesman comes over, I let them know that I am test-driving their floor models to see if they meet my expectations. Sometimes they have the router set so that you can't get the computers on-line without their password in which case I ask them to put A, B, and C on-line and then just leave me alone for a while. I have sometimes spent an hour playing between three computers to see which one pleased me most.

    'Shopping' is a mission to me, albeit infrequent, and I leave no stone unturned, lol.
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    If I could get away with going around naked I would, just to avoid the hassle of shopping for clothes. But unfortunately I am outnumbered by those who prefer that the masses remain covered at all times.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    If I could get away with going around naked I would, just to avoid the hassle of shopping for clothes. But unfortunately I am outnumbered by those who prefer that the masses remain covered at all times.
    I prefer being naked. I only wear a suit if people are over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    I pre-shop on-line also. Then I go to the store and examine what I think I want. If the salesman comes over, I let them know that I am test-driving their floor models to see if they meet my expectations. Sometimes they have the router set so that you can't get the computers on-line without their password in which case I ask them to put A, B, and C on-line and then just leave me alone for a while. I have sometimes spent an hour playing between three computers to see which one pleased me most.

    'Shopping' is a mission to me, albeit infrequent, and I leave no stone unturned, lol.
    Dang we are alike!! TWO women ON A MISSION!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    In my observations of men and women, I note several differences in the shopping styles of the genders
    This is the way shopping works in my household. It is also a good representation of how my wife tells a story about the events of the day. She has to tell about everything that led up to what happened, as well as some peripheral things that had nothing to do with it, before she finally gets around to the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    huh? Have I missed another joke?
    Not really.
    I was simply remarking that "generalise" does leave room for individual cases while remaining true as an overall, er, generalisation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    It is also a good representation of how my wife tells a story about the events of the day.
    Heh. That's flaw in a number of people.
    I used to do an impression of a former manager of mine: I'd drop the job file on someone's desk and say "Here's another project for you, I'll give you some background: In the beginning the Earth was extremely hot and took a long while to cool down..."
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    Interesting that "Understanding Men" is more posted than "Understanding Women".

    Got a bit of a chuckle out of that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    It is also a good representation of how my wife tells a story about the events of the day.
    Heh. That's flaw in a number of people.
    I used to do an impression of a former manager of mine: I'd drop the job file on someone's desk and say "Here's another project for you, I'll give you some background: In the beginning the Earth was extremely hot and took a long while to cool down..."
    Sir Duckness....are you rather long *cough* winded?
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    Heh. That's flaw in a number of people.
    I used to do an impression of a former manager of mine: I'd drop the job file on someone's desk and say "Here's another project for you, I'll give you some background: In the beginning the Earth was extremely hot and took a long while to cool down..."
    Sir Duckness....are you rather long *cough* winded?
    Er... You DID notice the bit I've just highlighted in red, didn't you?
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