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    Well, last night i had a pretty evil dream...

    I'll explain it only if someone asks me too,

    But anyway when i woke up i felt closer to the girl that was in the dream and i felt guilty for the things i did in my dream...

    I was just wondering why is it dreams affect me and others so much? any contributions would be helpful!


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    Sharing your dream can help us analyse if its as a result of tiredness,daily activity or what's bordering you.

    The question that springs from dreams are where do they come from? What really are they?.but while many have written articles on тнιѕ over the years(including myself) neuroscience is still puzzled by тнιѕ phenomenon.


    What we know is that dreams occur during REM sleep(rapid eye movement) and that when we sleep our subconscious mind seem to take over and our dreams can most time reveal to us what bordering us in our waking hours.(i.e our dreams seem to review the memorise we have gathered during the day).


    This little,when you do some research you learn some interesting stuffs.

    In the main time,go get some explanations to your dream.


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    Ah thanks! The dream was crazy, so i'll explain it...it was kinda like a movie...
    So i was with different parents and i had a brother, and we was very wealthy and well off...at this stage it was modern days, but set in the times of hitler, and hitler sent people to england to recruit for his army (Weird dream but yeh..). Me and my 'Brother' (who i dont have in real life, only child) got caught up in this...
    At this stage i was told one of us would become hitlers top soldier and i thought it was me...fast forward and we was in a room with all my old school mates, and all i remember is having pulled out a gun and killing most of them in cold blood as i was told to do, then i got to one table and i felt guilty so i offered to help them escape...upon escorting them out i ran with them down an alley way...and only 1 survived, a girl...and thats it, drove around to get away but when i woke up i felt guilty for no reason, and i felt closer to the person that survived and i also felt ashamed that i didnt do what i was ordered

    Aha could make this into a movie
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    Sharing your dream can help us analyse if its as a result of tiredness,daily activity or what's bordering you.
    Note the word "IF" there.

    What we know is that dreams ... can most time reveal to us what bordering us in our waking hours.
    Support this please.

    In the main time,go get some explanations to your dream.
    Basic explanation: while there may be some relevance to genuine real life dreams tend to be random sh*t that just happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SingingAntelope View Post
    Ah thanks! The dream was crazy

    Dreams feel real while we're in them. It's only when we wake up that we realize something was actually strange.
    (insert deafening Inception horn noise)
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    Duck there is more to it than randomness. Research has shown that little children during their sleeping period tend to act what they did. My own younger ones and cousin even tend to laugh whenever they had a very playful day(тнιѕ is occasionally).

    i have had dreams about solving problems which i was unable to solve. And i have had dreams that gives insight into a future event(i actually remember one vividly)

    But where do тнιѕ random,informative,adventures dreams come from?(We are still working on that)

    Duck i advice you to do some research on dreams what you will find would be exciting.
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    Egro while that is true, some people have the ability to control their dreams. Which is what we call lucid dreaming.

    In тнιѕ kind of dream you realise that you are dreaming,and at that moment you can manipulate your dreams. i have done that jυѕт once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    Duck there is more to it than randomness.
    You do know what "tend" means in this context, don't you?

    i have had dreams about solving problems which i was unable to solve. And i have had dreams that gives insight into a future event(i actually remember one vividly)
    Oh good. And how many dreams have you had that didn't lead to a future insight/ solution?

    But where do тнιѕ random,informative,adventures dreams come from?
    Apart from the fact that, if you have a problem on your mind it's, er, on your mind.
    You are aware that not consciously thinking about things can lead to arrival at solutions, aren't you? A sort of "let the subconscious handle the work for a while".

    Duck i advice you to do some research on dreams what you will find would be exciting.
    And I'd also find that it's heavily surrounded by baseless speculation, copious amounts of woo and unsubstantiated claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    Egro while that is true, some people have the ability to control their dreams. Which is what we call lucid dreaming.
    I don't see how "ergo" (if that's what you meant) comes into it.
    The definition of lucid dreaming varies, depending on where you look.

    In тнιѕ kind of dream you realise that you are dreaming,and at that moment you can manipulate your dreams. i have done that jυѕт once.
    Of all the dreams I remember 1 I have ALWAYS been aware that I'm dreaming.
    It's only since the introduction of the internet and discussions such as this that I came to realise that it's regarded as "out of the ordinary". On the other hand, I've never been able to manipulate them 2.

    1 AFAIK, and I'm open to correction, there's a huge discrepancy between the number of dreams you have and the number you actually remember having.
    2 In fact I find it more interesting to "sit back and watch" and think "Whoa, this is some weird shit my imagination's coming up with".
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    The word 'egro' was used to show that i was answering post 5.there is egro or So in is name. If you realise you are dreaming then you can manipulate it. Jυѕт as something you know you have in reality or So.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    Duck there is more to it than randomness.
    You do know what "tend" means in this context, don't you?

    i have had dreams about solving problems which i was unable to solve. And i have had dreams that gives insight into a future event(i actually remember one vividly)
    Oh good. And how many dreams have you had that didn't lead to a future insight/ solution?

    But where do тнιѕ random,informative,adventures dreams come from?
    Apart from the fact that, if you have a problem on your mind it's, er, on your mind.
    You are aware that not consciously thinking about things can lead to arrival at solutions, aren't you? A sort of "let the subconscious handle the work for a while".

    Duck i advice you to do some research on dreams what you will find would be exciting.
    And I'd also find that it's heavily surrounded by baseless speculation, copious amounts of woo and unsubstantiated claims.
    That true about the subconscious mind. i read once that mendelev got the idea of arranging the elements in the periodic table while he was sleeping.

    And you don't expect to know that your dream was giving you a message although there might be тнιѕ gut feeling,there are always doubts.

    Meaning all dreams appear random prior to a similar event occurs in reality. Its only then your random dreams that were info about the current event would synchronize,and will stop being random.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    And you don't expect to know that your dream was giving you a message although there might be тнιѕ gut feeling,there are always doubts.
    I have no doubts: my dreams are NOT giving me a message.

    Meaning all dreams appear random prior to a similar event occurs in reality. Its only then your random dreams that were info about the current event would synchronize,and will stop being random.
    It doesn't stop the dreams being random: it just means the the human predilection for patterns and significance (even where there is, in fact, none) is now satisfied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    The word 'egro' was used to show that i was answering post 5.there is egro or So in is name. If you realise you are dreaming then you can manipulate it. Jυѕт as something you know you have in reality or So.
    As I pointed out: the word is ergo.
    And as I also noted, that word is unjustified.
    It actually means "therefore/ hence/ because of which it follows that...".
    And it does NOT necessarily follow that if you know you are dreaming you can manipulate it. As I also pointed out.
    And post #5 actually said nothing about realising we're dreaming while actually doing so.
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    Duck i believe you can read that why you can post. Now read my post of why i used the word 'ergo'. It was the name of the forum member who posted 5#. Αη∂ what follows is my answer to his post.


    And you must realise that even when you forget about some dreams and have no plans they were future events,when that they comes and the events(dream and reality)synchronize before you remember you had a dream of such!

    Does that now mean your prediction was satisfied? Of course No because you actually made no predictions prior to the events. All you do is jυѕт remember and be like have seen тнιѕ before.


    Unless you a duck who feels his a genius.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    Now read my post of why i used the word 'ergo'. It was the name of the forum member who posted 5#.
    This is what happens when you don't make yourself clear. The poster's name is Cogito Ergo Sum.
    "CES" would have been a better abbreviation...

    And you must realise that even when you forget about some dreams and have no plans they were future events,when that they comes and the events(dream and reality)synchronize before you remember you had a dream of such!
    NO!.
    You are assuming that the dream is actually related in any way other than post-hoc rationalisation based on (usually) superficial similarities.

    Does that now mean your prediction was satisfied? Of course No because you actually made no predictions prior to the events. All you do is jυѕт remember and be like have seen тнιѕ before.
    In other words the dream wasn't a prediction at all.

    Unless you a duck who feels his a genius.
    Whut?
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    I'm a big fan of my dreams.
    always have been, always will be
    Most are damned entertaining.
    Most are the subconscious -superconscious--supraconscious et.al. mind(s) communicating with the relaxed conscious mind.
    We sense and surmise one hell of a lot more than we store in our language bound conscious mind.

    Some are spawned by my mind trying to predetermine(anticipate) potential problems with people or processes. Often, these dreams offer me a ready made(practiced) response if/when the problem presents itself. And I have had several successes with that. Unfortunately, these dreams are usually accompanied by me "talking in my sleep" which disturbs the sleep of my bedmate.
    One such(for my first managerial job) had me rudely awakening my 1st wife when I shouted "Jesus fucking christ, what the hell is wrong with you?"---a phrase I repeated 2 or 3 days later when I fired the first guy i ever fired(after he did almost exactly that which was in my dream). The lead up to that moment was a real bear. The release was releaving. So much anxiety for such a simple thing. After the first, I never had to get so excited for the rest.

    Some dreams repeated and puzzled and disturbed me for years until I understood their symbolism. Once done, I had to struggle to get them to come back again---which didn't last. I'm an old man now, so few of those remain.

    I pity those who do not dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Some dreams repeated and puzzled and disturbed me for years until I understood their symbolism.
    Hmmm.

    The release was releaving.
    It went away again?
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    the screaming was one release (hell, I chased that guy 1/2 way up the block firing him in myriad ways)
    the fact that i got it over with left me fealing relieved as though a burden had been lifted.

    It's a personality flaw. I have always considered inclusion the be better than exclusion, and thought that his failures were in part my failed leadership.
    So I hesitated to exclude him from the business-------far too long. He didn't seem to learn, and his screw-ups were costing the business time and money.
    I have since come to believe that even if a hired worker may be intelligent and somewhat capable; (s)he just may not be a good fit for our crew, or the particular job. The last guy I let go was without emotion(maybe a little regret). I told him that, "Sooner or later, everyone should find something he really wants to do and get good at it instead of just working for a wage. And, obviously this job just ain't it for you."

    Have you ever written a paper, master's thesis, doctoral dissertation or etc. and agonized over it, thinking
    THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I have ever done? But, then, when it is done and over with, realized that it was but one small step among many more to come?

    sometimes wisdom takes a little pain to come to fruition
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    the screaming was one release (hell, I chased that guy 1/2 way up the block firing him in myriad ways)
    the fact that i got it over with left me fealing relieved as though a burden had been lifted.

    It's a personality flaw. I have always considered inclusion the be better than exclusion, and thought that his failures were in part my failed leadership.
    I had a similar problem once - although not so serious. I was asked to write a report on the suitability of an apprentice I'd been training and I admitted to my boss that I was reluctant to give him the (poor) grade he actually deserved 1. The boss just asked "If you don't, and he gets the job and then goes on to still be as incompetent as you say he is who do you think will get the blame for us accepting him?".
    That "cured" me.


    1 Yes, I know many will find that hard to believe of me.
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    these dreams are a sign that your brain is helping you adapt to this huge life change-let that serve as a source of comfort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    the screaming was one release (hell, I chased that guy 1/2 way up the block firing him in myriad ways)
    the fact that i got it over with left me fealing relieved as though a burden had been lifted.

    It's a personality flaw. I have always considered inclusion the be better than exclusion, and thought that his failures were in part my failed leadership.
    I had a similar problem once - although not so serious. I was asked to write a report on the suitability of an apprentice I'd been training and I admitted to my boss that I was reluctant to give him the (poor) grade he actually deserved 1. The boos just asked "If you don't, and he gets the job and then goes on to still be as incompetent as you say he is who do you think will get the blame for us accepting him?".
    That "cured" me.


    1 Yes, I know many will find that hard to believe of me.
    I am utterly shocked.
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    The only guy who his dreams does not give a clue about a possible event is Dywyddyr.

    i wonder why!
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    The only guy who his dreams does not give a clue about a possible event is Dywyddyr.

    i wonder why!
    Chiding you!

    BE NICE!

    Mr. Duck has dreams....of hunting rifles and duck calls.......and PILLOWS filled down...so be nice.


    and just teasing Mr. Duck
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    Actually, the most current theories state that dreams are usually a form of threat rehearsal. They allow you to prepare for events in waking life before they happen. This is similar to what happens when athletes visualize performing an activity before they do it. Evidence for this is that the amygdala (associated with fear and aggression) is highly activated during REM sleep, when the majority of vivid dreams occur, and quantitative analyses of dream reports reveal that the majority of dreams have negative elements in them.

    In addition, most mammals experience REM sleep and just from observation, it seems that they are having dreams (although there is no way to prove this), so it is pretty likely that dreaming has an evolutionary advantage.

    The idea that dreaming is a way of creating patterns out of stimuli doesn't explain why 1) different people create different patterns - why your mind creates a particular dream out of certain stimuli 2) why not every burst of stimuli (e.g. a migraine aura) turns into a dream or waking dream

    ETA: The amygdala thing is probably part of the reason why dreams affect us so much, to answer the OP's question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Bing View Post
    Actually, the most current theories state that dreams are usually a form of threat rehearsal.
    Intriguing.
    I wonder how that relates to huge numbers of my dreams being about finding some obscure piece of data regarding my particular interests?

    They allow you to prepare for events in waking life before they happen.
    I (hope I) see what you mean, but use of the wording "before they happen" is likely to get seized on as "Yeah! Dreams ARE premonitions".
    Possibly "in case they happen"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Bing View Post
    Actually, the most current theories state that dreams are usually a form of threat rehearsal.
    Intriguing.
    I wonder how that relates to huge numbers of my dreams being about finding some obscure piece of data regarding my particular interests?

    They allow you to prepare for events in waking life before they happen.
    I (hope I) see what you mean, but use of the wording "before they happen" is likely to get seized on as "Yeah! Dreams ARE premonitions".
    Possibly "in case they happen"?
    Or we could just Say some people can't unify their dreams and come up with a quite logical explanation.and this makes them denounce anyone who feels he/she can do that,and see that its kinda helpful.

    You always sound like one of those guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    Or we could just Say some people can't unify their dreams and come up with a quite logical explanation.
    Oops, you have it backwards here.
    You have to show that "unfying dreams" is factual.

    and this makes them denounce anyone who feels he/she can do that,and see that its kinda helpful.
    On the contrary. I "denounce" it because it has not been shown to be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    i have had dreams about solving problems which i was unable to solve. .
    I've had that happen hundreds of times. In fact dreaming about solutions to problems was an effective litmus test about whether I'm thinking/studying enough about things during the day--not only course work, but more practical things related to projects such as boat design I do as a hobby.

    I think dreams are mostly chances for rehearsals.
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    Lynx fox that is very much correct.

    Ducks don't see it,ducks cannot see it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by merumario View Post
    Lynx fox that is very much correct.
    Ducks don't see it,ducks cannot see it!
    You really should learn to read...
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Apart from the fact that, if you have a problem on your mind it's, er, on your mind.
    You are aware that not consciously thinking about things can lead to arrival at solutions, aren't you? A sort of "let the subconscious handle the work for a while".
    Ducks actually point it out before anyone else.
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    This and no other makes me admire ducks. Their ability to pin point things before no other perceive it is actually exceptional.

    It makes Me wonder,what are ducks made of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Obviously ducks are made of quacks instead of quarks...

    *gets coat*
    It appears true Ƒor ducks
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    I have dreamed before opening night, that I have forgotten all of my lines, my songs, my choreography and my blocking and walk out and can't speak........I think I prefer to refer to it as a MAJOR NIGHTMARE.
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    I have dreamed before opening night, that I have forgotten all of my lines, my songs, my choreography and my blocking and walk out and can't speak........I think I prefer to refer to it as a MAJOR NIGHTMARE.
    Considering the importance.

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    I have dreamed before opening night, that I have forgotten all of my lines, my songs, my choreography and my blocking and walk out and can't speak........I think I prefer to refer to it as a MAJOR NIGHTMARE.
    Considering the importance.

    Do you think you could have done anything to avoid it?
    To prevent the dream?

    No.

    I think it is just one of the biggest fears by a performer is to go blank.

    it rarely happens (though I HAVE seen it happen, and that is when you ad lib and get them back to where they need to be so they can collect themselves).

    I think it is maybe an anxiety dream? What do you think?
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    Yea,i would also like to think that it has something toi do with confidence,perhaps its the first time on that particular stage.
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    Yea,i would also like to think that it has something toi do with confidence,perhaps its the first time on that particular stage.
    In this case, older actor.....just didn't think he needed to learn his lines verbatim. Let me tell you. You say a word wrong, leave one out, and you get a note on your dressing room table. I think he got a book.
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    Yea,i would also like to think that it has something toi do with confidence,perhaps its the first time on that particular stage.
    In this case, older actor.....just didn't think he needed to learn his lines verbatim. Let me tell you. You say a word wrong, leave one out, and you get a note on your dressing room table. I think he got a book.

    Then apart from anxiety someone's mind might play tricks on you!
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    Yea,i would also like to think that it has something toi do with confidence,perhaps its the first time on that particular stage.
    In this case, older actor.....just didn't think he needed to learn his lines verbatim. Let me tell you. You say a word wrong, leave one out, and you get a note on your dressing room table. I think he got a book.

    Then apart from anxiety someone's mind might play tricks on you!
    No, not playing a trick...he seriously forgot his lines.....he was guided back by the other actor on stage.....to where he needed to be.....

    In theatre you have to prepare for the unknown...and find your way back w/o the audience having a clue that someone f***** up big time.

    When you watch a play...do you ever notice, how EASY it seems?

    If you do, we actors, have achieved our goal and our EXPERIMENT is ACCOMPLISHED and with good results!


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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    When you watch a play...do you ever notice, how EASY it seems?
    If you do, we actors, have achieved our goal and our EXPERIMENT is ACCOMPLISHED and with good results!
    (that was for you Mr. Duck)
    Bah!
    Only if they do it properly.
    I think the last play I saw was Troilus and Cressida (at Stratford, of course).
    I read the play the night before I went to see it and you know what? They left out my favourite lines!
    Apparently it was decided to cut (from memory) about 4,000 lines so that people wouldn't get bored with the length of the play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    When you watch a play...do you ever notice, how EASY it seems?
    If you do, we actors, have achieved our goal and our EXPERIMENT is ACCOMPLISHED and with good results!
    (that was for you Mr. Duck)
    Bah!
    Only if they do it properly.
    I think the last play I saw was Troilus and Cressida (at Stratford, of course).
    I read the play the night before I went to see it and you know what? They left out my favourite lines!
    Apparently it was decided to cut (from memory) about 4,000 lines so that people wouldn't get bored with the length of the play.
    I have seen that happen.

    It ruins the show.

    The playwright wrote it with a story line....and they just do not flow in that scenario...Sorry you had to do that.....had a director who did that with "Man Who Came To Dinner", and the cast called it the "MAN WHO CAME ON DINNER" that bad.

    Did a World Premier of a new playwright ....called "Just The Sweet Stuff"....in that instance she would rewrite our lines almost daily..talk about tough..but we performed it the very first time...only theatre pic I have is us in the horrid dressing room.....and let me tell you...the reviews were great for a show put up in 3 weeks....memorization, blocking etc...
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    Yea,i would also like to think that it has something toi do with confidence,perhaps its the first time on that particular stage.
    In this case, older actor.....just didn't think he needed to learn his lines verbatim. Let me tell you. You say a word wrong, leave one out, and you get a note on your dressing room table. I think he got a book.

    Then apart from anxiety someone's mind might play tricks on you!
    No, not playing a trick...he seriously forgot his lines.....he was guided back by the other actor on stage.....to where he needed to be.....

    In theatre you have to prepare for the unknown...and find your way back w/o the audience having a clue that someone f***** up big time.

    When you watch a play...do you ever notice, how EASY it seems?

    If you do, we actors, have achieved our goal and our EXPERIMENT is ACCOMPLISHED and with good results!


    (that was for you Mr. Duck)
    That might happen to any of you but in his case his subconscious seem to be So sharpened αη∂ was able to show(through dreams)what might possibly happen on that day.

    And it did happen.(So much for dreams)
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    basically ,merumario

    we babysat the man *chuckle*


    He did not work again.

    it's a cruel business
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    basically ,merumario

    we babysat the man *chuckle*


    He did not work again.

    it's a cruel business
    Huh!

    I'd imagine that its even worst because he had to experience it twice(dream and reality)
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    They allow you to prepare for events in waking life before they happen.
    I (hope I) see what you mean, but use of the wording "before they happen" is likely to get seized on as "Yeah! Dreams ARE premonitions".
    Possibly "in case they happen"?
    Yes, I know. It probably wasn't the best choice of wording on my part.
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    Most people, seemingly, make insufficient use of the problem solving nature of the dream state. I have had several good ideas while dreaming, each later successfully implemented in my work, . (I'm prompted to post here, since the last one occured only two nights ago and I have most of the groundwork completed for its implementation.) A conscious consideration of specific problems just before going to sleep may well produce a dream solution. (I can see the money rolling into the company set up to train people to do this: Dream Solutions Unlimited.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    (I can see the money rolling into the company set up to train people to do this: Dream Solutions Unlimited.)
    "Results you can only dream about"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Most people, seemingly, make insufficient use of the problem solving nature of the dream state. I have had several good ideas while dreaming, each later successfully implemented in my work, . (I'm prompted to post here, since the last one occured only two nights ago and I have most of the groundwork completed for its implementation.) A conscious consideration of specific problems just before going to sleep may well produce a dream solution. (I can see the money rolling into the company set up to train people to do this: Dream Solutions Unlimited.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Most people, seemingly, make insufficient use of the problem solving nature of the dream state. I have had several good ideas while dreaming, each later successfully implemented in my work, . (I'm prompted to post here, since the last one occured only two nights ago and I have most of the groundwork completed for its implementation.) A conscious consideration of specific problems just before going to sleep may well produce a dream solution. (I can see the money rolling into the company set up to train people to do this: Dream Solutions Unlimited.)
    Lucky, my last dream involved a large bass jumping out of the pond where I was fishing, a hook lodged in his mouth, asking me gruffly "Is this yours?". I subsequently adapted that into a cartoon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
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    Most people, seemingly, make insufficient use of the problem solving nature of the dream state. I have had several good ideas while dreaming, each later successfully implemented in my work, . (I'm prompted to post here, since the last one occured only two nights ago and I have most of the groundwork completed for its implementation.) A conscious consideration of specific problems just before going to sleep may well produce a dream solution. (I can see the money rolling into the company set up to train people to do this: Dream Solutions Unlimited.)
    Lucky, my last dream involved a large bass jumping out of the pond where I was fishing, a hook lodged in his mouth, asking me gruffly "Is this yours?". I subsequently adapted that into a cartoon.
    Mine had people who all needed my help.......it was bizarre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Mine had people who all needed my help.......it was bizarre.
    "and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!
    ... and I'll look down and whisper "No."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Mine had people who all needed my help.......it was bizarre.
    "and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!
    ... and I'll look down and whisper "No."
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    Baloney.....you'd save the whores and leave the politician's!! Mr. Duck!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Baloney.....you'd save the whores and leave the politician's!! Mr. Duck!!!
    Doubtful.
    I have no particular use for either.
    Besides, the way I read it is that Rorschach wasn't specifically referring to, er, workers in the sex industry, so much as anyone and everyone that had sold out their principles at any time - e.g. more or less everybody (from his POV).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Baloney.....you'd save the whores and leave the politician's!! Mr. Duck!!!
    Doubtful.
    I have no particular use for either.
    Besides, the way I read it is that Rorschach wasn't specifically referring to, er, workers in the sex industry, so much as anyone and everyone that had sold out their principles at any time - e.g. more or less everybody (from his POV).
    Chuckle!!

    and fair enough!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Mine had people who all needed my help.......it was bizarre.
    "and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!
    ... and I'll look down and whisper "No."
    "
    shades of kurt weill's pirate jenny:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eENWTA0bs4
    did you think yourself autonomous?
    ....................
    An actors first job is to know where she is within the patterns.
    It is much easier to hear someone elses' accent than ones own.
    then acting is reacting --find the pattern, find the waves and ride them well
    ...........
    long ago
    I read that ancient polynesian sailors had learned to distinguish patterns within waves, and could tell if they were down current/down wind of an island that was over the horizon--out of sight
    ..........ripples of energy and knowledge, shadows of shadows, reflections of reflections, paraboloid focus, and fresnel intensifiers, ...
    all help us be who we are.
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    diffusion and feedback loops
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
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    Mine had people who all needed my help.......it was bizarre.
    "and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!
    ... and I'll look down and whisper "No."
    "
    shades of kurt weill's pirate jenny:
    Anne Kerry Ford Sings "Pirate Jenny" by Kurt Weill - YouTube
    did you think yourself autonomous?
    ....................
    An actors first job is to know where she is within the patterns.
    It is much easier to hear someone elses' accent than ones own.
    then acting is reacting --find the pattern, find the waves and ride them well
    ...........
    long ago
    I read that ancient polynesian sailors had learned to distinguish patterns within waves, and could tell if they were down current/down wind of an island that was over the horizon--out of sight
    ..........ripples of energy and knowledge, shadows of shadows, reflections of reflections, paraboloid focus, and fresnel intensifiers, ...
    all help us be who we are.
    ...................
    diffusion and feedback loops
    No actor is autonomous, with the exception with someone doing a one man show, and even then you need a crew.

    I always considered the entire cast as a team.....period. You need each other and the CREW to make it all happen.
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    Well, last night i had a pretty evil dream...
    But anyway when i woke up i felt closer to the girl that was in the dream and i felt guilty for the things i did in my dream...

    I was just wondering why is it dreams affect me and others so much? any contributions would be helpful!
    Based on my experience I also had the same scenario where I dreamed of a girl that I am not close with. I felt something after I woke up but it only lasted for only 30 mins...
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    Ever had a woman get mad at you because you cheated on her in her dream?

    Her rationale; "You did something to make me dream that!"

    Yeah...we're not together anymore...
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    lol

    .....we got rules....
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    Tolerance helps a relationship last.

    I been dreaming a lot about younger women lately.
    Does that mean anything?
    (in the dreams, I'm younger too) important?
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    I dream hot "love" scenes.......sometimes, or about men I know and like but never thought about in any other way than friendship......can't figure THAT one out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I dream hot "love" scenes.......sometimes, or about men I know and like but never thought about in any other way than friendship......can't figure THAT one out.
    I wonder too about 'such' dreams. On occasion, I'll have dreams like this, but they ALWAYS are between a 'faceless' guy, and me...in endless pursuit of a 'private' place to spend time together. Never finding the private place. I honestly wonder what that means. lol Thought this was a cool link >> http://www.wikihow.com/Interpret-Your-Dreams
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    "dream a little dream of me"
    Ya know that isn't impossible......but since I don't know you at all....*L*

    Mama Cass...dead and gone.....great song
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    I dream hot "love" scenes.......sometimes, or about men I know and like but never thought about in any other way than friendship......can't figure THAT one out.
    I wonder too about 'such' dreams. On occasion, I'll have dreams like this, but they ALWAYS are between a 'faceless' guy, and me...in endless pursuit of a 'private' place to spend time together. Never finding the private place. I honestly wonder what that means. lol Thought this was a cool link >> 4 Ways to Interpret Your Dreams - wikiHow
    *hanging head*

    I usually wind up doing the dirty deed........

    what can I say about us theatre people....*sigh*
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    I dream hot "love" scenes.......sometimes, or about men I know and like but never thought about in any other way than friendship......can't figure THAT one out.
    I wonder too about 'such' dreams. On occasion, I'll have dreams like this, but they ALWAYS are between a 'faceless' guy, and me...in endless pursuit of a 'private' place to spend time together. Never finding the private place. I honestly wonder what that means. lol Thought this was a cool link >> 4 Ways to Interpret Your Dreams - wikiHow
    *hanging head*I usually wind up doing the dirty deed........what can I say about us theatre people's that ....*sigh*
    Lol! Yes, your dreams are more fun than mine!One of my good friends tells me that he thinks this recurring dream of mine is my struggle between wanting to "find" love but afraid to trust...thus, I'm always "in search" of it. Sounds plausible.
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    I dream hot "love" scenes.......sometimes, or about men I know and like but never thought about in any other way than friendship......can't figure THAT one out.
    I wonder too about 'such' dreams. On occasion, I'll have dreams like this, but they ALWAYS are between a 'faceless' guy, and me...in endless pursuit of a 'private' place to spend time together. Never finding the private place. I honestly wonder what that means. lol Thought this was a cool link >> 4 Ways to Interpret Your Dreams - wikiHow
    *hanging head*I usually wind up doing the dirty deed........what can I say about us theatre people's that ....*sigh*
    Lol! Yes, your dreams are more fun than mine!One of my good friends tells me that he thinks this recurring dream of mine is my struggle between wanting to "find" love but afraid to trust...thus, I'm always "in search" of it. Sounds plausible.
    It's plausible. I'd start looking for a dirty deed ending girl! Then you will know you are past that....well trust issue.
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    I never understood, and still do not understand the use of dirty as regards sex.

    Seems a really peculiar metaphor
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    I never understood, and still do not understand the use of dirty as regards sex.Seems a really peculiar metaphor
    "Dirty," "naughty," etc...Not sure how and why those labels got attached to sex.Good point!
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    Not quite off topic but - I think it's interesting that a recollection of even very long ago dream can come to me with unexpected clarity and come with a sense of being unchanged in any detail from the original. Including it's powerful emotional content.

    Recalling a dream seems to me to be distinctly different to ordinary remembering - like it's experienced again rather than recalled like an ordinary memory. It feels to me like every dream I've ever had is archived somewhere in my brain in vivid clarity but in an entirely different storage format to waking memories. That fully immersive sense of being there, emotions blazing, has to affect our waketime selves when they intrude into our awareness. Why any make it into our conscious awareness at all may be more to the point; most of my dreams never surface at all and I'm not sure relevance to current events is what distinguishes the ones that resonate. There's other kinds of dreaming - like half sleep or deeper than normal daydreaming - where current concerns can feature, but they don't have that sense of being there with all the presence and emotional power.

    I've had years of dreams with a theme go by without recalling any part of them and decades later I suddenly remembered having them and it felt like they were all in there, complete, even if I couldn't access them at will or would normally be have any awareness them. Neurologically different modes of memory?
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    I never understood, and still do not understand the use of dirty as regards sex.

    Seems a really peculiar metaphor
    It is an expression.
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    Not quite off topic but - I think it's interesting that a recollection of even very long ago dream can come to me with unexpected clarity and come with a sense of being unchanged in any detail from the original. Including it's powerful emotional content.

    Recalling a dream seems to me to be distinctly different to ordinary remembering - like it's experienced again rather than recalled like an ordinary memory. It feels to me like every dream I've ever had is archived somewhere in my brain in vivid clarity but in an entirely different storage format to waking memories. That fully immersive sense of being there, emotions blazing, has to affect our waketime selves when they intrude into our awareness. Why any make it into our conscious awareness at all may be more to the point; most of my dreams never surface at all and I'm not sure relevance to current events is what distinguishes the ones that resonate. There's other kinds of dreaming - like half sleep or deeper than normal daydreaming - where current concerns can feature, but they don't have that sense of being there with all the presence and emotional power.

    I've had years of dreams with a theme go by without recalling any part of them and decades later I suddenly remembered having them and it felt like they were all in there, complete, even if I couldn't access them at will or would normally be have any awareness them. Neurologically different modes of memory?
    I have had a few dreams I still remember.

    1. My husband being killed in a plane crash. It was horrible.
    2. Dreaming everyone I know in cartoon character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Fabos View Post

    Recalling a dream seems to me to be distinctly different to ordinary remembering - like it's experienced again rather than recalled like an ordinary memory. It feels to me like every dream I've ever had is archived somewhere in my brain in vivid clarity but in an entirely different storage format to waking memories.awareness them.
    Neurologically different modes of memory?
    Yes! The predominant theories say that dreaming involves the the transfer of memories form short-term to long-term and memory organization. So while your memories are sorting out, your normal memory functions can't work their usual way. An analogy would be if you were tidying up a big, messy file cabinet and someone came to you with some new reports to file, you would ask them to take them back or put them down somewhere else because the file cabinet wasn't available at the moment.This is also exposed to explain why we often don't remember dreams; our memories aren't working normally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Bing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Fabos View Post

    Recalling a dream seems to me to be distinctly different to ordinary remembering - like it's experienced again rather than recalled like an ordinary memory. It feels to me like every dream I've ever had is archived somewhere in my brain in vivid clarity but in an entirely different storage format to waking memories.awareness them.
    Neurologically different modes of memory?
    Yes! The predominant theories say that dreaming involves the the transfer of memories form short-term to long-term and memory organization. So while your memories are sorting out, your normal memory functions can't work their usual way. An analogy would be if you were tidying up a big, messy file cabinet and someone came to you with some new reports to file, you would ask them to take them back or put them down somewhere else because the file cabinet wasn't available at the moment.This is also exposed to explain why we often don't remember dreams; our memories aren't working normally.
    That is very interesting!
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    Except for the dreams that intrude into awareness, like it or not, it does feel like it takes a conscious, immediate effort to remember a dream upon waking. Even when a memory of a dream does emerge unsought into my awareness during waketime, it will usually take some effort to set into ordinary memory if it isn't to be unreachable again once immediate awareness of it fades, the same way it is was with the original dream. I tend to think of it as memories of dreams lacking the address tags the conscious mind uses to find memories and tug them into the open on demand. Address not found despite the files being intact. But I do think dream memory is quite separate and distinctly different to ordinary 'real' memories.

    Odd that it's the memories of things that aren't real that seem to be in High Definition and are most resistant to deterioration.
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    I do not find that I always remember my dreams upon awakening.

    I do, however, find that I am extremely ANNOYED when awoken from a particularly GOOD dream!
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