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    Do women make any logical decisions when it comes to dating usually or is it primarily emotion/desire based?

    I say this because when dealing with women, my rejections have been pretty much automatic. It is like women look at me, size me up and decide I'm not worth it in like 30 seconds and then no longer give me the time of day. It is also fairly automatic when they fall for someone else. I've noticed that they automatically giggle at the sight of tall, attractive men and hit on him. I know that there are a precious few women who don't behave this way but I have noticed this trend. Women tend to put off dating "the nice guy" until they are ready to settle...until then, he is ignored almost entirely. Even on dating sites I have tested my theory...I message perhaps 30 women with a witty comment and get not so much as a response (and their accounts are active accounts, I make sure of that)...eventually perhaps one or two out of 30 will respond...I can only surmise that they view my profile, make a snap judgement and choose to ignore me based on my appearance or height (5'4).

    I am a kind, intelligent person. I do not abuse women. I would do anything for my partner. Do most women even give a damn about that? Or do they choose mates primarily based upon an immediate emotional response triggered by appearance until and unless they decide to "settle"?


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    Do women make any logical decisions when it comes to dating usually or is it primarily emotion/desire based?
    It is like women look at me, size me up and decide I'm not worth it in like 30 seconds and then no longer give me the time of day........
    I am a kind, intelligent person. I do not abuse women. I would do anything for my partner. Do most women even give a damn about that? Or do they choose mates primarily based upon an immediate emotional response triggered by appearance until and unless they decide to "settle"?
    And how do you "decide" which women you do and don't offer to date? I'd be fairly certain that you wouldn't need 3 seconds, let alone 30 seconds, for your eyes to slide right past women who don't interest you - you didn't even consider them.

    As for a mate to stay with on a longer term basis, the numbers of people who marry after meeting at work or online or who were part of a group of friends (or participants in sport or other activities) are a pretty good indication that it's not just instantaneous attraction involved here. The best way to "find" a partner, and to have a good life with or without one, is to be involved in things where you're most likely to meet congenial people. Whether you join your local political party or theatre group or chess/photography/any-number-of-things or a sports team makes no difference. What matters is that you have an interest and an activity that pleases you and that brings plenty of opportunities to meet other people. Remember, it's not just the members of the group that a potential partner might come from, it's all the relatives, friends and neighbours of group members who will also attend BBQs or social functions or turn up at events. The important thing is not to be unrealistic. Don't join a bushwalking group to meet potential partners if you hate the outdoors. Most importantly, do something you enjoy. It makes you happier and a better person to talk to anyway. It has the bonus of making you into someone that others will think of as a good person to invite to other activities. The more general social activity you have, the more you improve the odds that you'll meet a potential partner.

    Of course, the most likely place to meet someone is either at work or through friends of workmates. Having a job is often a passport to some social life as well as an income.


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    There are two types of Sexual Strategies, Long-Term and Short-Term.

    Long-Term: Attraction less important, women select mates by weighing their value as a Father and Life Partner. Abusive? Intelligent? Well-Adjusted? Socio-Economic Class? Which prospective partners are most able -and willing- to provide for her and her offspring, which prospective partner will be able to protect her and her offspring, and which prospective partner will provide her offspring with the most advantages in life? It also ensures access to procreation. Falls out of favour when too many women use it as a strategy.

    Short-Term: Appearance more important, women select mates by the value of their apparent genes, and physical state. Attraction = Attractive offspring. Healthy Appearance = healthy genes. Big/Tall/Strong = Offspring that are most likely to survive/able to defend themselves. It's all about what the appearance implies about offspring. Falls out of favour when too many woment use it as a strategy.

    This sexual selection theory is from personality psych... Often associated with the Sexy Sons Hypothesis.
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    And how do you "decide" which women you do and don't offer to date? I'd be fairly certain that you wouldn't need 3 seconds, let alone 30 seconds, for your eyes to slide right past women who don't interest you - you didn't even consider them.
    Untrue in my case. I've dated thin, fat, tall, attractive and average women based upon our level of compatibility. If we enjoy the same things in life and get along well, I'm sold.
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    Thanks, stander. I've taken Animal Behavior so that sounds very familiar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Do women make any logical decisions when it comes to dating usually or is it primarily emotion/desire based?
    It is like women look at me, size me up and decide I'm not worth it in like 30 seconds and then no longer give me the time of day........
    I am a kind, intelligent person. I do not abuse women. I would do anything for my partner. Do most women even give a damn about that? Or do they choose mates primarily based upon an immediate emotional response triggered by appearance until and unless they decide to "settle"?
    And how do you "decide" which women you do and don't offer to date? I'd be fairly certain that you wouldn't need 3 seconds, let alone 30 seconds, for your eyes to slide right past women who don't interest you - you didn't even consider them.

    As for a mate to stay with on a longer term basis, the numbers of people who marry after meeting at work or online or who were part of a group of friends (or participants in sport or other activities) are a pretty good indication that it's not just instantaneous attraction involved here. The best way to "find" a partner, and to have a good life with or without one, is to be involved in things where you're most likely to meet congenial people. Whether you join your local political party or theatre group or chess/photography/any-number-of-things or a sports team makes no difference. What matters is that you have an interest and an activity that pleases you and that brings plenty of opportunities to meet other people. Remember, it's not just the members of the group that a potential partner might come from, it's all the relatives, friends and neighbours of group members who will also attend BBQs or social functions or turn up at events. The important thing is not to be unrealistic. Don't join a bushwalking group to meet potential partners if you hate the outdoors. Most importantly, do something you enjoy. It makes you happier and a better person to talk to anyway. It has the bonus of making you into someone that others will think of as a good person to invite to other activities. The more general social activity you have, the more you improve the odds that you'll meet a potential partner.

    Of course, the most likely place to meet someone is either at work or through friends of workmates. Having a job is often a passport to some social life as well as an income.
    And don't forget: "Friend Zone" is a cop-out. It's a way to rationalize why you can't ever be with a friend of yours - because it's easier than dealing with the fear of rejection. It also sends mixed-signals to the person you assume has "friend-zoned" you. Friendship is the baseline of personal relationships - it's the starting point for possible romantic/sexual relationships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stander-j View Post
    There are two types of Sexual Strategies, Long-Term and Short-Term.

    Long-Term: Attraction less important, women select mates by weighing their value as a Father and Life Partner. Abusive? Intelligent? Well-Adjusted? Socio-Economic Class? Which prospective partners are most able -and willing- to provide for her and her offspring, which prospective partner will be able to protect her and her offspring, and which prospective partner will provide her offspring with the most advantages in life? It also ensures access to procreation. Falls out of favour when too many women use it as a strategy.

    Short-Term: Appearance more important, women select mates by the value of their apparent genes, and physical state. Attraction = Attractive offspring. Healthy Appearance = healthy genes. Big/Tall/Strong = Offspring that are most likely to survive/able to defend themselves. It's all about what the appearance implies about offspring. Falls out of favour when too many woment use it as a strategy.

    This sexual selection theory is from personality psych... Often associated with the Sexy Sons Hypothesis.
    Sorry did we just drop back into the 1970's here? As for the above that's just a load of sweeping generalisations that only apply to women in your head stander-j. Most women are perfectly capable of looking after themselves and don't need a mate for protection and quite clearly don't always make choices based on their "fitness" as husbands and fathers otherwise there wouldn't be any female domestic abuses cases. Everyone is different and no-one has a fixed personality - most personality psych isn't worth the paper its printed on.

    Let me make a suggestion Mike Potter - you already told us on another thread that you are dumping this woman because of your own personal inadequacies:

    " I just broke up with an ex who cared more for me than anyone else before in my life...she would have died for me...but I knew we weren't meant for each other and, despite this, I let things drag on for nearly three years on and off...I wanted it to work out so bad even though we were just too different...I needed someone in my life...I STILL need someone in my life...I have no car, no job, no house...and she would drive 45 minutes from her home to visit me...she has no idea how much it kills me inside to let her go..."

    So lets see - you waste three years of her life, knowing that its not going anywhere but because you are selfish ("...I still need someone...") you didn't think to do the right thing and let her find someone who treated her with some respect. And now here you are asking whats up with women? What a joke.

    Mike Potter you have portrayed yourself as lazy, unmotivated, uncaring and self absorbed on here and that my friend is whats wrong with the women you meet.......you. Stop being so self-absorbed and waiting for others to come and "rescue" you and start making your own life....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciDreaming View Post

    Sorry did we just drop back into the 1970's here? As for the above that's just a load of sweeping generalisations that only apply to women in your head stander-j. Most women are perfectly capable of looking after themselves and don't need a mate for protection and quite clearly don't always make choices based on their "fitness" as husbands and fathers otherwise there wouldn't be any female domestic abuses cases. Everyone is different and no-one has a fixed personality - most personality psych isn't worth the paper its printed on.

    I think you're getting a little caught up in insignificant details here. I think it's fair to say that psychology never deals in absolutes, do you really think you weren't expected to take what I said without that assumption? I mean, your objection seems as though it's based on the principle that I am presenting the epitome of sexual selection theory - yet I am not doing that, I am presenting a brief overview of some established, and interesting, observations about female sexual selection.

    Most women are perfectly capable of looking after themselves and don't need a mate for protection
    Okay, so are you arguing that women have not faced the adaptive problem of reproduction being a high investment endeavour? The sentiment of what I had said is that the long-term strategy is the result of possible needs, and whether a mate is able to/willing to provide them. You seem to be focused on whether or not a woman is capable of defending herself, what you're ignoring is whether or not it's advantageous to also have a partner that will help ensure that.

    Everyone is different and no-one has a fixed personality - most personality psych isn't worth the paper its printed on
    No one said, "Everyone is the same," it was merely suggested that there are trends in sexual selection, and that there are clusters of strategies that possess similarities. If you think "most personality psych" is worthless then you obviously haven't had much exposure to personality psych as a field of study.
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    My question would be, "How do men choose who they ask out on a date." I think unless there is some chemistry and attraction between two people a date isn't going to happen. This is not necessarily based on looks, but more so in personality.
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    and the man that figures out how to understand women, will rule the world....hands down
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    Quote Originally Posted by stander-j View Post
    If you think "most personality psych" is worthless then you obviously haven't had much exposure to personality psych as a field of study.
    Incorrect-I've had plenty of very recent exposure to personality psych.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    My question would be, "How do men choose who they ask out on a date."
    It's a complicated and highly scientific process: is she still breathing?
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    My question would be, "How do men choose who they ask out on a date."
    It's a complicated and highly scientific process: is she still breathing?
    Oh my god...I am laughing!! ahahahah......I think her breathing, scientifically would be increased by the physlcal desire to have daffy do her....sorry.....but that is just too funny...and I do so much comedic theater and things go wrong and so improv has to happen....and this was just way too funny.....this would have been a lovely and funny improv scene!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikepotter84 View Post
    Do women make any logical decisions when it comes to dating usually or is it primarily emotion/desire based?
    Where to start...
    You're thread title is "Understanding Women" but women are not a homogenous group. There are currently nearly 7 billion people in the world and one would assume that half of those are women. I assume you're in the US where there is currently approximately 156 million females.

    If you want a partner part of the equation do you have control over? You can't 'make' someone like you or want to be with you. All you can do is be the best version of yourself (physically, mentally, emotionally) and then put yourself out there. What have you got to offer? I'm guessing by your user name you're 29? I have read that you're unemployed and with no car or house. Whilst I don't think having a house is an issue, not having a job would be a major issue for many women. I'd also be curious as to why you didn't have car. If you didn't have a car because you lived inner city with good public transport etc or preferred to ride a bike then fine. If you didn't have a car because it got repossessed or you couldn't afford one or didn't have a licence then that would ring alarm bells to me. (To clarify, I'm not being materialistic and talking about insistence of a flashy car - but the fact is that most adults need private transportation to function to their full potential.)

    You also sound very needy. You need to be comfortable with your self before settling into a long term relationship. Being needy is such a turn off.
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    Here's the tricky part; women are not a collective intelligence.

    They all have different opinions, wants, needs, etc. I know, crazy right?

    I've also found that you can tell a tremendous amount about a person by their body language. Do they walk with a slouch, staring at the ground or do they walk tall with their shoulders back? Do they frown at everyone around them or smile at them and say, "Hello"? Do they look like they take care of themselves? Is their hair combed, are they dressed nice? Do they care TOO much about themselves? Do they have a fake tan and look like they spend 2 hours a day lifting weights?

    A woman, just like a man who is paying attention, can determine if a man is worth getting to know better just by examining his body language. I personally think you CAN tell a lot about a book by its cover (figuratively speaking).
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    I can only surmise that they view my profile, make a snap judgement and choose to ignore me based on my appearance or height (5'4).
    Then you are blessed. I always used to notice that it was the tall good looking guys who got hitched first. They missed out on their youth and freedom. In many cases their personality was badly altered by marriage. Some became as soft as jelly; others became as hard as nails. Believe me: they envy your freedom. They will try and coerce you into making the same mistake as they made.
    Remember that 5'4 is not far off the average height for a male in global terms. Go to S.E. Asia and you won't feel small there.
    Until you meet the right person then enjoy your freedom and remind the married guys that they effectively have none!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikepotter84 View Post
    Do women make any logical decisions when it comes to dating usually or is it primarily emotion/desire based?

    I say this because when dealing with women, my rejections have been pretty much automatic. It is like women look at me, size me up and decide I'm not worth it in like 30 seconds and then no longer give me the time of day. It is also fairly automatic when they fall for someone else. I've noticed that they automatically giggle at the sight of tall, attractive men and hit on him. I know that there are a precious few women who don't behave this way but I have noticed this trend. Women tend to put off dating "the nice guy" until they are ready to settle...until then, he is ignored almost entirely. Even on dating sites I have tested my theory...I message perhaps 30 women with a witty comment and get not so much as a response (and their accounts are active accounts, I make sure of that)...eventually perhaps one or two out of 30 will respond...I can only surmise that they view my profile, make a snap judgement and choose to ignore me based on my appearance or height (5'4).

    I am a kind, intelligent person. I do not abuse women. I would do anything for my partner. Do most women even give a damn about that? Or do they choose mates primarily based upon an immediate emotional response triggered by appearance until and unless they decide to "settle"?

    Mike women are extremely easy to understand, they want the same things as men but also shoes & chocolate.
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    Mike women are extremely easy to understand, they want the same things as men but also shoes & chocolate.
    I don't even care about the chocolate...... shoes though? mmmmmmmm........
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    old joke:
    "One day, I'll finally understand women. And that'll be the day I die, as the shock of it will kill me."

    Post menopause, my wife would throw off the blankets, then when cold, lie on her stomach, all tense and hunched trying to stay warm. And a new great joy came into my life, as I would pull the covers over her, and watch as she instantly relaxed. Instant gratification for a really simple act. How sweet it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Here's the tricky part; women are not a collective intelligence.

    They all have different opinions, wants, needs, etc. I know, crazy right?

    I've also found that you can tell a tremendous amount about a person by their body language. Do they walk with a slouch, staring at the ground or do they walk tall with their shoulders back? Do they frown at everyone around them or smile at them and say, "Hello"? Do they look like they take care of themselves? Is their hair combed, are they dressed nice? Do they care TOO much about themselves? Do they have a fake tan and look like they spend 2 hours a day lifting weights?

    A woman, just like a man who is paying attention, can determine if a man is worth getting to know better just by examining his body language. I personally think you CAN tell a lot about a book by its cover (figuratively speaking).
    Actually, two hours of lifting weights daily would likely result in what is called overtraining. Where the muscles are damaged nearly as much as they are rebuilt, resulting in marginal to no increases in muscle mass. However, some early body builders would follow these routines for long enough periods of time, and coupled with a protein rich diet... it can give some muscle building results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Actually, two hours of lifting weights daily would likely result in what is called overtraining. Where the muscles are damaged nearly as much as they are rebuilt, resulting in marginal to no increases in muscle mass. However, some early body builders would follow these routines for long enough periods of time, and coupled with a protein rich diet... it can give some muscle building results.
    I'm sure a good rotation would result in optimum jacked-ness. For instance, I'd spend 2 hours on Monday focusing on my kegel. Tuesday, I'd get my tibialis anteriors bulked up. Wednesday....well, you can clearly see what I'd work on next so I won't bore you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
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    Here's the tricky part; women are not a collective intelligence.

    They all have different opinions, wants, needs, etc. I know, crazy right?

    I've also found that you can tell a tremendous amount about a person by their body language. Do they walk with a slouch, staring at the ground or do they walk tall with their shoulders back? Do they frown at everyone around them or smile at them and say, "Hello"? Do they look like they take care of themselves? Is their hair combed, are they dressed nice? Do they care TOO much about themselves? Do they have a fake tan and look like they spend 2 hours a day lifting weights?

    A woman, just like a man who is paying attention, can determine if a man is worth getting to know better just by examining his body language. I personally think you CAN tell a lot about a book by its cover (figuratively speaking).
    Actually, two hours of lifting weights daily would likely result in what is called overtraining. Where the muscles are damaged nearly as much as they are rebuilt, resulting in marginal to no increases in muscle mass. However, some early body builders would follow these routines for long enough periods of time, and coupled with a protein rich diet... it can give some muscle building results.
    It depends on how and what you train shlunka. I can train my arms twice a day for an hour and not lose any size...my chest, on the other hand...well I work it once or twice a week for 30 minutes or so...
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    There are two types of Sexual Strategies, Long-Term and Short-Term.

    Long-Term: Attraction less important, women select mates by weighing their value as a Father and Life Partner. Abusive? Intelligent? Well-Adjusted? Socio-Economic Class? Which prospective partners are most able -and willing- to provide for her and her offspring, which prospective partner will be able to protect her and her offspring, and which prospective partner will provide her offspring with the most advantages in life? It also ensures access to procreation. Falls out of favour when too many women use it as a strategy.

    Short-Term: Appearance more important, women select mates by the value of their apparent genes, and physical state. Attraction = Attractive offspring. Healthy Appearance = healthy genes. Big/Tall/Strong = Offspring that are most likely to survive/able to defend themselves. It's all about what the appearance implies about offspring. Falls out of favour when too many woment use it as a strategy.

    This sexual selection theory is from personality psych... Often associated with the Sexy Sons Hypothesis.
    Sorry did we just drop back into the 1970's here? As for the above that's just a load of sweeping generalisations that only apply to women in your head stander-j. Most women are perfectly capable of looking after themselves and don't need a mate for protection and quite clearly don't always make choices based on their "fitness" as husbands and fathers otherwise there wouldn't be any female domestic abuses cases. Everyone is different and no-one has a fixed personality - most personality psych isn't worth the paper its printed on.

    Let me make a suggestion Mike Potter - you already told us on another thread that you are dumping this woman because of your own personal inadequacies:

    " I just broke up with an ex who cared more for me than anyone else before in my life...she would have died for me...but I knew we weren't meant for each other and, despite this, I let things drag on for nearly three years on and off...I wanted it to work out so bad even though we were just too different...I needed someone in my life...I STILL need someone in my life...I have no car, no job, no house...and she would drive 45 minutes from her home to visit me...she has no idea how much it kills me inside to let her go..."

    So lets see - you waste three years of her life, knowing that its not going anywhere but because you are selfish ("...I still need someone...") you didn't think to do the right thing and let her find someone who treated her with some respect. And now here you are asking whats up with women? What a joke.

    Mike Potter you have portrayed yourself as lazy, unmotivated, uncaring and self absorbed on here and that my friend is whats wrong with the women you meet.......you. Stop being so self-absorbed and waiting for others to come and "rescue" you and start making your own life....
    1.) I never said it was a waste and I didn't just get rid of her like a piece of garbage. We are still friends and talk often. You don't know our history. It is more complicated than a single post can possibly describe.

    2.) I am lazy sometimes in the traditional sense...or people THINK I am because they are jackasses who don't think that what I spend my time doing is valuable. I'm an intellectual, I'm not going to be happy cleaning restrooms, working at a grocery store or being a waiter. I read constantly and I write. Sadly, society doesn't value academics...this isn't surprising in a country in which nearly 50% of the population doesn't believe in evolution and voted for Mitt Romney.

    3.) Who the fuck do you think you are telling me I don't care about people? I feel so deeply for people that it hurts. I feel so deeply that I will go into politics so that I can change things for the better.
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    There are two types of Sexual Strategies, Long-Term and Short-Term.

    Long-Term: Attraction less important, women select mates by weighing their value as a Father and Life Partner. Abusive? Intelligent? Well-Adjusted? Socio-Economic Class? Which prospective partners are most able -and willing- to provide for her and her offspring, which prospective partner will be able to protect her and her offspring, and which prospective partner will provide her offspring with the most advantages in life? It also ensures access to procreation. Falls out of favour when too many women use it as a strategy.

    Short-Term: Appearance more important, women select mates by the value of their apparent genes, and physical state. Attraction = Attractive offspring. Healthy Appearance = healthy genes. Big/Tall/Strong = Offspring that are most likely to survive/able to defend themselves. It's all about what the appearance implies about offspring. Falls out of favour when too many woment use it as a strategy.

    This sexual selection theory is from personality psych... Often associated with the Sexy Sons Hypothesis.
    Sorry did we just drop back into the 1970's here? As for the above that's just a load of sweeping generalisations that only apply to women in your head stander-j. Most women are perfectly capable of looking after themselves and don't need a mate for protection and quite clearly don't always make choices based on their "fitness" as husbands and fathers otherwise there wouldn't be any female domestic abuses cases. Everyone is different and no-one has a fixed personality - most personality psych isn't worth the paper its printed on.

    Let me make a suggestion Mike Potter - you already told us on another thread that you are dumping this woman because of your own personal inadequacies:

    " I just broke up with an ex who cared more for me than anyone else before in my life...she would have died for me...but I knew we weren't meant for each other and, despite this, I let things drag on for nearly three years on and off...I wanted it to work out so bad even though we were just too different...I needed someone in my life...I STILL need someone in my life...I have no car, no job, no house...and she would drive 45 minutes from her home to visit me...she has no idea how much it kills me inside to let her go..."

    So lets see - you waste three years of her life, knowing that its not going anywhere but because you are selfish ("...I still need someone...") you didn't think to do the right thing and let her find someone who treated her with some respect. And now here you are asking whats up with women? What a joke.

    Mike Potter you have portrayed yourself as lazy, unmotivated, uncaring and self absorbed on here and that my friend is whats wrong with the women you meet.......you. Stop being so self-absorbed and waiting for others to come and "rescue" you and start making your own life....
    1.) I never said it was a waste and I didn't just get rid of her like a piece of garbage. We are still friends and talk often. You don't know our history. It is more complicated than a single post can possibly describe.

    2.) I am lazy sometimes in the traditional sense...or people THINK I am because they are jackasses who don't think that what I spend my time doing is valuable. I'm an intellectual, I'm not going to be happy cleaning restrooms, working at a grocery store or being a waiter. I read constantly and I write. Sadly, society doesn't value academics...this isn't surprising in a country in which nearly 50% of the population doesn't believe in evolution and voted for Mitt Romney.

    3.) Who the fuck do you think you are telling me I don't care about people? I feel so deeply for people that it hurts. I feel so deeply that I will go into politics so that I can change things for the better.
    Well I didn't expect you to like what I said but hey ho....I didn't say you don't care I said you portrayed yourself as uncaring and selfish. I refer you to this portion of your post:

    but I knew we weren't meant for each other and, despite this, I let things drag on for nearly three years on and off...

    A caring, unselfish person would have let her find someone that did love her and was meant for her.

    If you story is so complicated that it cant be explained on here why bring it up? You open a post in the psychology section making spurious claims about women's behaviour (ALL women I might add) based on your anecdotal experiences and now you're upset because you get your head bitten off. Its not even psychology its just your opinion about women because you've had a break up.

    If you are going to be a politician you will need to have a much better view of the personality you portray.
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    making spurious claims about women's behaviour
    I've had a very large sample size. Hundreds of women...tall, thin, short, chubby, average, hot, young, old, black, white, asian etc... My claims are accurate.
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    I'm sorry if that seemed harsh to you LuciDreaming but I tire of male-bashing after awhile.
    Not harsh - childish.
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    If you are going to be a politician you will need to have a much better view of the personality you portray.
    This may be true but I value honesty above all and I think some people will value mine as well.
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    making spurious claims about women's behaviour
    I've had a very large sample size. Hundreds of women...tall, thin, short, chubby, average, hot, young, old, black, white, asian etc... My claims are accurate.
    So you've been turned down by hundreds of women? I thought they didn't go out with you because you were too short?
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    I'm sorry if that seemed harsh to you LuciDreaming but I tire of male-bashing after awhile.
    Not harsh - childish.
    Truth is never "childish".
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    making spurious claims about women's behaviour
    I've had a very large sample size. Hundreds of women...tall, thin, short, chubby, average, hot, young, old, black, white, asian etc... My claims are accurate.
    So you've been turned down by hundreds of women? I thought they didn't go out with you because you were too short?
    I have probably been turned down by 100 women in my lifetime, sure. The other few hundred are the ones who turned down my friends. Many did not date me b/c of my height...that doesn't contradict anything here...
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    So a hundred women out of 3.5 billion (potentially) and you think you can make claims about every woman on the planet? You need to do some growing up I think and maybe have a look back over some of your own posts so you can follow the thread of your own story.......
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    Not a single scientific study would ever include an entire world's population. I have been to 3 different states, though. And I've met women from dozens of other countries.
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    have a look back over some of your own posts so you can follow the thread of your own story
    This doesn't even make sense. What are you referring to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikepotter84 View Post
    Not a single scientific study would ever include an entire world's population. I have been to 3 different states, though. And I've met women from dozens of other countries.
    And yet you didn't learn that every person is a unique individual..... How did that happen? Is it because you were too busy thinking about yourself? Frankly your misogynistic attitudes are outdated and offensive.
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    You dont GET what I'm saying. I'm saying that my study is still valid because one doesn't need to survey the entire world in order to get a feel for general attitudes, especially when so many people who live in the United States are foreigners. I never claimed there were NO good women out there. But they are very few.
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    Women will never know how hard it is to be a man. We don't have women hitting on us for the most part. We are often at the mercy of women who coldly decide whether or not we are worthy of attention.
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    I am a kind, intelligent person. I do not abuse women. I would do anything for my partner. Do most women even give a damn about that? Or do they choose mates primarily based upon an immediate emotional response triggered by appearance until and unless they decide to "settle"?
    The thing with single women Mike is they are just like you in many respects, most people just want to find someone. Once you really understand this you are half way there. What it means is that many of these women are just looking for a reason to want to be with you. You just have to give them that reason, but what you need to understand is your own self worth, some of these women would be damned lucky to be with you, again you just need to make them aware of this fact.

    How you do this again is really quite simple, you just do the things you are good at and enjoy doing them. People are always more attractive when they are happy, it reflects to the world the best parts of who they are inside. This is your starting point then you simply pick, yes that's right you heard me, 'YOU' pick, and be choosy here, remember you're a catch and worth knowing, the special lady that really stands out. But you also want to choose a lady that is interested in the things you are, in the things that make you happy, in this way the time you spend around her will always be when you are happiest and doing the the things you love, so in turn you'll always be at your best.

    Also just get very used to flirting with women you are not really interested in, this is great practice for the really important one that you really want to make feel special, you will quickly learn all the things that are important to women and it will boost your confidence and make you feel more attractive about yourself. Many women enjoy being complemented even if they know you arn't really interested.

    When you do choose that special lady you really like, go out and make her feel special, be interested in the things she is and enjoy her company, spend time with her, flirt with her, put all your practice into operation and let her know how sexy you think she is.

    Also be around other women you have flirted with, women that like you, but give your special lady your focus and attention, women really do find very attractive, men who they think other women also fancy.
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    I know I'm only new to this forum and this is going to sound harsh but from the posts of yours I have read you don't strike me as a person I would like to spend time with and you seem a bit creepy. Why? (In no particular order)

    - You have said that "all the men I know are incapable of viewing women in a non-sexual manner unless they are related to them" I must be lucky to be with a man who doesn't believe this - I think the vast majority of decent, civilized men would find this really insulting.

    - You admitted you are aroused by a woman breastfeeding because a boob is involved. What about if a woman eats a sandwich? She's using her hands and her mouth, both very sexual body parts in the right context. Would that be arousing? There is far more of her hands and mouth being exposed when she eats a sandwich than when a woman breastfeeds. The woman is feeding a baby! To find anything sexual about this is just yuck.

    - You call yourself an intellectual and state that cleaning restrooms etc is basically beneath you yet you're unemployed. We live in capitalist societies, we earn money by contributing to the economy. How does you reading a book or theorizing over the internet contribute to the economy? How do you support yourself? What do you have to offer in a relationship if you can't/won't even get a job?

    - You make vast generalizations about women and assume we (as a group of circa 3 billion) can be "understood". The only thing us women have in common is XX chromosomes (and sometimes this isn't even the case).
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    You have said that "all the men I know are incapable of viewing women in a non-sexual manner unless they are related to them" I must be lucky to be with a man who doesn't believe this - I think the vast majority of decent, civilized men would find this really insulting.

    - You admitted you are aroused by a woman breastfeeding because a boob is involved.

    I understand your viewpoint. But if men claim otherwise, I promise you they are lying.

    What do you have to offer in a relationship if you can't/won't even get a job?
    Why is everyone so focused on money in this country? Having a job should have NOTHING to do with a relationship. It is supposed to be about mutual love.

    How does you reading a book or theorizing over the internet contribute to the economy?
    1.) By altering laws to benefit the poor if I ever get into law school and then get elected to the Senate.

    2.) By teaching students the value of critical thinking as a teacher.

    3.) By writing a bestselling book.

    These things will not come easy but I'm hoping at least one will happen in my lifetime. I can't live on $8 an hour. I've tried it before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikepotter84 View Post
    Why is everyone so focused on money in this country? Having a job should have NOTHING to do with a relationship. It is supposed to be about mutual love.
    Just to address this point, psychologically, a woman could view a man's career and earnings as potential. A successful man probably triggers a biological response in a woman that he is a better choice for a mate than someone with no money. A good job means a successful man who can offer a stable environment.

    With some of these things, you have to dig deeper than "It's just about the money."
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    But if men claim otherwise, I promise you they are lying.
    Perhaps your imagination is a bit limited. For starters, what about a man's sister, mother or daughter breastfeeding? Do you really think all men everywhere and forever find this sexually arousing?

    I gather you don't have children yourself. I'm here to tell you that most men in that situation have the same reaction as most women. "Awwww, a baybeee! Look at the little fingers!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    But if men claim otherwise, I promise you they are lying.
    Perhaps your imagination is a bit limited. For starters, what about a man's sister, mother or daughter breastfeeding? Do you really think all men everywhere and forever find this sexually arousing?

    I gather you don't have children yourself. I'm here to tell you that most men in that situation have the same reaction as most women. "Awwww, a baybeee! Look at the little fingers!"
    I've already stated it doesn't apply to family members. Arousal is the default; men can overcome this. I'm not claiming that it gives men raging hard-ons...more like the woman is still attractive no matter what she's doing and breasts are appealing as well no matter what...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikepotter84 View Post
    I understand your viewpoint. But if men claim otherwise, I promise you they are lying.
    No, there are some men in this world that this is not applicable to, fortunately I am in a very happy and loving relationship with one of these men.


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    Why is everyone so focused on money in this country? Having a job should have NOTHING to do with a relationship. It is supposed to be about mutual love.
    So how do you support yourself? I'm not talking about having buckets of money to throw around or expect that a man lavishes their life savings on a woman, I'm talking about having a regular income so that you can afford to live. I would never get into a relationship with a bloke who had no obvious means of supporting themselves and more importantly, had no desire to earn an income to support themselves. This is a big warning light that the bloke is not of the character that I would wish in a partner. I would want someone who is willing to clean rest rooms or do what ever it took (legally) if needed to make ends meet. Even if that person is an intellectual/writer/artist etc they still need to support themselves. My wonderful SIL is an artist. She put herself through uni to earn a degree. She sometimes works as a part time lecturer. She occasionally has exhibitions at local art centres. She also works in a bar serving drinks to earn a living.

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    1.) By altering laws to benefit the poor if I ever get into law school and then get elected to the Senate.

    2.) By teaching students the value of critical thinking as a teacher.

    3.) By writing a bestselling book.

    These things will not come easy but I'm hoping at least one will happen in my lifetime. I can't live on $8 an hour. I've tried it before.
    You can't live off $8 an hour but apparently you can live off $0 an hour. *confused*

    I support anyone who wants to further their education, I really do! But, unless you're at high school or young enough for your parents to support you, whilst you're studying you should also being earning your own living.
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    you don't strike me as a person I would like to spend time with and you seem a bit creepy.
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    Ok. You seem like a nice person and you are right about needing to earn a living. I just wish that there were better and more jobs available right now. I would have been able to teach at the high school level if I had earned a 2.5 gpa or above via the lateral entry program...as it stands, I will have to take 15 more credit hours and do well on a Praxis Exam to be able to do so. I guess I fucked myself by not caring about my grades...I don't like to follow directions and read books on my own rather than study what I sometimes view as pointless material. I hope I can change.
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    you don't strike me as a person I would like to spend time with and you seem a bit creepy.
    Busy Bee's hit it right on the head.
    Yeah, maybe so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikepotter84 View Post
    Ok. You seem like a nice person and you are right about needing to earn a living. I just wish that there were better and more jobs available right now. I would have been able to teach at the high school level if I had earned a 2.5 gpa or above via the lateral entry program...as it stands, I will have to take 15 more credit hours and do well on a Praxis Exam to be able to do so. I guess I fucked myself by not caring about my grades...I don't like to follow directions and read books on my own rather than study what I sometimes view as pointless material. I hope I can change.
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    Something I didn't notice earlier

    I message perhaps 30 women with a witty comment and get not so much as a response
    I don't know how many women are in my corner on this one, but there are few things I find more irritating than a man being witty at me. I'm fine with witty conversation at dinner, I'm fine with witticisms in an on-line conversation. But I detest with purest lethal venom those amateur comedians trying to get a laugh out of me before they know anything about me. It may just be that I've spent too much time with too many try hard 15 year olds, but it really gets under my nails. A man should bear that in mind even if my attitude is not universal, because I'm pretty sure it's fairly common.

    You might do better with less attempted wit and more simple honesty.

    As for flirting. An interesting piece on flirting popped up on my screen yesterday. Flirting Is Easy* » Almost Diamonds Fits quite neatly with ascended's remarks that flirting is something you can practise with a friend regardless of any intimate or sexual interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Something I didn't notice earlier

    I message perhaps 30 women with a witty comment and get not so much as a response
    I don't know how many women are in my corner on this one, but there are few things I find more irritating than a man being witty at me. I'm fine with witty conversation at dinner, I'm fine with witticisms in an on-line conversation. But I detest with purest lethal venom those amateur comedians trying to get a laugh out of me before they know anything about me. It may just be that I've spent too much time with too many try hard 15 year olds, but it really gets under my nails. A man should bear that in mind even if my attitude is not universal, because I'm pretty sure it's fairly common.

    You might do better with less attempted wit and more simple honesty.

    As for flirting. An interesting piece on flirting popped up on my screen yesterday. Flirting Is Easy* » Almost Diamonds Fits quite neatly with ascended's remarks that flirting is something you can practise with a friend regardless of any intimate or sexual interest.
    We are all different. I have no problem with a man being witty with me. As an actor, banter is part of my job when something goes wrong and I have to improv, however, I also prefer an honest statement and conversation that ensues.

    As for flirting. GUILTY! ALways have been a flirt and probably wlll be even when I am really old. Flirting is fun, as long as it is taken in the context it is meant.
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    Honestly, it sounds like you're just trying too hard.
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    I'm not sure most men can tell the difference between being witty and flirting when it comes from women--I certainly can't :-)
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    Fuck it. I'm sorry for being an ass. I have to realize that many things in life are opinion based and that my opinions are not always correct...also that sometimes there is no such thing as "correct". Sorry ladies! A lot of my feelings have to due with a lack of confidence and anger at the current economic situation I'm in.
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    I have to realize that many things in life are opinion based and that my opinions are not always correct...also that sometimes there is no such thing as "correct". Sorry ladies! A lot of my feelings have to due with a lack of confidence and anger at the current economic situation I'm in.
    Then correct yourself and try to think before you speak...put mind into gear before putting mouth into motion.
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    take the link, and listen as you read my subjective almost memories

    Joni Mitchel - You Turn Me On I'm A Radio - YouTube

    you can swap out the word "women" for "men" 'cause it works both ways.

    OK got Joni up and singing?

    Now for the almost subjective memories

    Lets start with the wisdom of my aunt Mildred (the dreaded mildred--once when my son was throwing a royal fucking demanding fit, she commented, "well, that apple didn't fall far from the tree") who had a way of cutting through the bullshit and nailing concepts.
    She said: "Men should not live alone. It makes them crazy"
    (Go Mildred)'
    Now for something personal. When I "needed" women, I didn't have none. I couldn't get none. and when it came to sex, I wasn't having no fun.
    And then, I got lonely-----r e a l , r e a l , r e a l ; l o n el y....and started thinking about other things and having fun at whatever job/task came to hand(so to speak).
    Suddenly, I found myself standing , listening to a woman (about what matter, I have no memory). before long, she began to invite me to "take her to dinner"...and we chatted amiably.....long into the night. And shortly began to share sexual pleasures, and shared interests. A little of the lonely was still there in my one occupant house, but the spaces between the letters was gone, and the font shrunk.
    I began (under her kind tutelage), to no longer feel uneasy and needy around women. And, generally, started treating them as fellow human beings ( I know, I know, it is dufficult to think that women are actually of the same species), while staring at their breasts, thighs, asses and eyes and occasionally at their bellies and feet. What a treat. a delight for the senses, and companionship.
    Why, I then found myself with women most of my free time(around work or studies) remains a mystery to me. But I liked it.

    Part of me thinks it was the change in me(less needy, more self assured, more relaxed) or prhermonal?
    Could other women sense the other women i had been with? smell the sweet sweat of their orgasms? Did the sexual activity alter my pheremones?
    A combination of the above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busy Bee View Post
    I know I'm only new to this forum and this is going to sound harsh but from the posts of yours I have read you don't strike me as a person I would like to spend time with and you seem a bit creepy. Why? (In no particular order)


    - You have said that "all the men I know are incapable of viewing women in a non-sexual manner unless they are related to them" I must be lucky to be with a man who doesn't believe this - I think the vast majority of decent, civilized men would find this really insulting.


    - You admitted you are aroused by a woman breastfeeding because a boob is involved. What about if a woman eats a sandwich? She's using her hands and her mouth, both very sexual body parts in the right context. Would that be arousing? There is far more of her hands and mouth being exposed when she eats a sandwich than when a woman breastfeeds. The woman is feeding a baby! To find anything sexual about this is just yuck.


    - You call yourself an intellectual and state that cleaning restrooms etc is basically beneath you yet you're unemployed. We live in capitalist societies, we earn money by contributing to the economy. How does you reading a book or theorizing over the internet contribute to the economy? How do you support yourself? What do you have to offer in a relationship if you can't/won't even get a job?


    - You make vast generalizations about women and assume we (as a group of circa 3 billion) can be "understood". The only thing us women have in common is XX chromosomes (and sometimes this isn't even the case).

    Few thoughts:
    It is sometimes helpful to step back and consider cultural, personal and contextual factors.


    "You have said that "all the men I know are incapable"
    It could be that all men he knows or associates with are like that, or that some are like that and that the others are assumed to be (projection).


    "You admitted you are aroused by a woman breastfeeding because a boob is involved."
    It is my opinion, that, there is nothing "wrong" with being aroused by a women breast feeding. No on decides what arouses them, you dont decide to like women or men, and if you like women you dont decide what will be arousing you about them. Breasts is pretty common source of attraction, visual enjoyment, erogenous signal for men.
    You have cultural factors, someone not exposed to monokini beaches will be much more aroused or stimulated or happy or loving life when he first goes to monokini beaches (you do not chose whether you are born on the Cote d'Azur or in Saudi Arabia).

    Next theres personal preferences, someone might be attracted to legs without choosing to, I happen to be attracted to breasts a lot and I didnt sign up that either. Except I happen to have both been on monokini beaches and live in a culture where breast feeding is normal and natural and common, which for me tones down the responses both because of simple exposure/getting used to it, and context (shes feeding an infant).

    Had I, with my personal preference/hightened attraction to breasts, been raised in a culture where seeing naked breasts/breast feeding was unusual, there is a chance I would also be aroused by breast feeding, at least until it would no longer be unusual. I have no merit for not being aroused by breast feeding, its not something I chose, it just happens to be so.


    Also note that, being jugemental about something people cant really control, can sometimes induce people to conceal what they think/are, and lead the jugemental person to have a distorted view of reality that further enhances their perception that what they condemned is rare/wrong. For example, the President of Iran, says there are no gays in Iran, thats true almost no one "admists it" which shows there arent any(not really) and reinforces the view that its abnormal, and wrong.


    "You make vast generalizations about women and assume we"
    I agree with that, people are in someways similar and diverse, there are cultural differences(that I have observed), and withn a given culture there are many variations of personal preferences, and even within a given specific person there are contextual variations(a given person can like 'some' things or not depending on the context, stage in life, recent experiences, etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikepotter84 View Post
    Women will never know how hard it is to be a man. We don't have women hitting on us for the most part. We are often at the mercy of women who coldly decide whether or not we are worthy of attention.
    I thought I would bring this comment forward for a bit more examination simply for the observation that it most often IS the woman who in fact makes the decision of whether to acknowledge and/or encourage the attention of the male. This is true in a number of other species that I am familiar with.

    Nature has made sperm (pollen etc.) more widely available than the egg, which confers certain privileges in some cases and some species. There is greater risk and more investment by the female of most species when it comes to birthing and nurturing the young. Even when a woman is not contemplating the raising of a family, she has the right to be selective of whom she spends her time with. (So do men...)

    The selection process is a two way street. In the past, men were frequently chosen based on their ability to provide for the woman and/or any potential offspring. With the advent of women's changing roles in society, the criteria for a male companion have largely changed. Women are far less dependent on men to be providers and enablers yet neither are most of them seeking a partner who will be a financial or emotional burden. The balance of emotional and financial investment in any relationship is a very delicate thing over the long term, IMO.

    I have to go to work now (just after midnight here) but I'll be back at some point in time, as the fates allow, lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mikepotter84 View Post
    Women will never know how hard it is to be a man. We don't have women hitting on us for the most part. We are often at the mercy of women who coldly decide whether or not we are worthy of attention.
    I thought I would bring this comment forward for a bit more examination simply for the observation that it most often IS the woman who in fact makes the decision of whether to acknowledge and/or encourage the attention of the male. This is true in a number of other species that I am familiar with.

    Nature has made sperm (pollen etc.) more widely available than the egg, which confers certain privileges in some cases and some species. There is greater risk and more investment by the female of most species when it comes to birthing and nurturing the young. Even when a woman is not contemplating the raising of a family, she has the right to be selective of whom she spends her time with. (So do men...)

    The selection process is a two way street. In the past, men were frequently chosen based on their ability to provide for the woman and/or any potential offspring. With the advent of women's changing roles in society, the criteria for a male companion have largely changed. Women are far less dependent on men to be providers and enablers yet neither are most of them seeking a partner who will be a financial or emotional burden. The balance of emotional and financial investment in any relationship is a very delicate thing over the long term, IMO.

    I have to go to work now (just after midnight here) but I'll be back at some point in time, as the fates allow, lol...
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    What I find comical.....is women GET men....in every aspect......it's men who don't GET women in ANY aspect!
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    What I find comical.....is women GET men....in every aspect......it's men who don't GET women in ANY aspect!
    Oh please, that's what we want you to think so we can play ignorant and you Gals end up doing all the embarrassing stuff.
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    Women decide to date "bad boys" and then complain about where all the nice guys went. In reality, you cannot blame them; they do this not because they're stupid or sexist but because of evolutionary reasons. Women need to mate with strong men to have better surviving children, so their brains are wired to want to go with strong, angry guys. Humans are not designed for the dating/marriage/love system that exists, and that explains lots of issues including a high divorce rate, emotional/physical abuse of many people from their partners, and the heart-aches from break-ups.
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    Those are some very sexist quotes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anticorncob28 View Post
    Women decide to date "bad boys" and then complain about where all the nice guys went. In reality, you cannot blame them; they do this not because they're stupid or sexist but because of evolutionary reasons. Women need to mate with strong men to have better surviving children, so their brains are wired to want to go with strong, angry guys. Humans are not designed for the dating/marriage/love system that exists, and that explains lots of issues including a high divorce rate, emotional/physical abuse of many people from their partners, and the heart-aches from break-ups.
    Show me the reference to the peer reviewed published paper that states women's brains are "wired" (whatever that means) to want to go with strong angry guys.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciDreaming View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by anticorncob28 View Post
    Women decide to date "bad boys" and then complain about where all the nice guys went. In reality, you cannot blame them; they do this not because they're stupid or sexist but because of evolutionary reasons. Women need to mate with strong men to have better surviving children, so their brains are wired to want to go with strong, angry guys. Humans are not designed for the dating/marriage/love system that exists, and that explains lots of issues including a high divorce rate, emotional/physical abuse of many people from their partners, and the heart-aches from break-ups.
    Show me the reference to the peer reviewed published paper that states women's brains are "wired" (whatever that means) to want to go with strong angry guys.......
    There are some studies that demonstrate that women are attracted to more physical and rugged individuals during their fertile cycle.

    When Fertile, Women Want Manly Men | LiveScience

    Makes for interesting conversations at various gatherings if nothing else.
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    How about you are trying to apply 21st century attitudes and concepts to our hunter-gatherer ancestors and you've come up with the wrong assumption. For the majority of women prior to the 21st century, the concept of them having a choice in who they mated with is laughable in the extreme. Women may have ended up with strong angry guys but that's by deed of them being strong and angry and taking what they wanted - not because all the girls love a bad boy...... Genghis Khan is supposed to have spread so much of his DNA about that a large percentage (relatively for one man that is) of current Asians are direct descendants. And you can be sure the girls were not queueing up for a go on that "bad boy" (bad boy also being a 21st century concept).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciDreaming View Post
    (bad boy also being a 21st century concept).
    Whut?
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    I've always believed women are simply different from men physically; other than that, they are no different. Always believed it, but learned over a lifetime of hassles, misunderstandings, misinterpretations, consolation, second-guessing, seeking understanding....that, now I finally understand why some people are gay!
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    Do women make any logical decisions when it comes to dating usually or is it primarily emotion/desire based?

    I say this because when dealing with women, my rejections have been pretty much automatic. It is like women look at me, size me up and decide I'm not worth it in like 30 seconds and then no longer give me the time of day. It is also fairly automatic when they fall for someone else. I've noticed that they automatically giggle at the sight of tall, attractive men and hit on him. I know that there are a precious few women who don't behave this way but I have noticed this trend. Women tend to put off dating "the nice guy" until they are ready to settle...
    Wise words sound absurd.

    I read your account, I thought about you, and I wanted to kiss you. No more than that, because I am not a woman and you are not gay. But just that.

    You want a power that will undermine this whole BS once and for all? Go out to your town's gay bar, and start meeting guys. No he won't be Adonis, but you don't care, do you - because your not gay... So maybe he will be old, young, fat, skinny, doesn't matter. He will be a guy you start up a conversation, a spark, with. And as the drinks flow and the night goes on, you will see his spark of humanity, and he will see yours, and the time will be right for a kiss (if you meet the right guy, otherwise, keep trying)

    Its strange the first time you kiss a guy, the bristling of the face, the mouth as soft as a woman's. And of course, as someone who's basically not gay, you should go no further than that kiss. But that kiss is what you should seek out, in it you will find the power to end this whole affair about worrying about women once and for all. In that kiss you will encounter the fundamental spark of humanity, that resides in all people, and is unique, and offers almost infinite possibilities once combined with love.

    After you've had this experience, walk up to whatever girl you were attracted to, and see with the new eyes in terms of her fundamental spark of humanity, just the same as the guy's. See if her beauty, see if gender roles, distracted you from seeing a person who's superficial and snide, you didn't see before, and feel free to wave her off if that's what you see once you evaluate her as a human, not a woman. And by all means, once liberated, find your own beauty, your own self love, your own style. Be one of the many guys woman lament as not available because they're gay, except your actually not. Have that source of beauty and pleasure and enjoyment in your own life, which women are drawn to in gay men, but be yourself - aka not gay. This will solve your problems, and open up worlds of possibility within you life.

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    Well I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but it was magnificent in its incoherency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TridentBlue View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mikepotter84 View Post
    Do women make any logical decisions when it comes to dating usually or is it primarily emotion/desire based?

    I say this because when dealing with women, my rejections have been pretty much automatic. It is like women look at me, size me up and decide I'm not worth it in like 30 seconds and then no longer give me the time of day. It is also fairly automatic when they fall for someone else. I've noticed that they automatically giggle at the sight of tall, attractive men and hit on him. I know that there are a precious few women who don't behave this way but I have noticed this trend. Women tend to put off dating "the nice guy" until they are ready to settle...
    Wise words sound absurd.

    I read your account, I thought about you, and I wanted to kiss you. No more than that, because I am not a woman and you are not gay. But just that.

    You want a power that will undermine this whole BS once and for all? Go out to your town's gay bar, and start meeting guys. No he won't be Adonis, but you don't care, do you - because your not gay... So maybe he will be old, young, fat, skinny, doesn't matter. He will be a guy you start up a conversation, a spark, with. And as the drinks flow and the night goes on, you will see his spark of humanity, and he will see yours, and the time will be right for a kiss (if you meet the right guy, otherwise, keep trying)

    Its strange the first time you kiss a guy, the bristling of the face, the mouth as soft as a woman's. And of course, as someone who's basically not gay, you should go no further than that kiss. But that kiss is what you should seek out, in it you will find the power to end this whole affair about worrying about women once and for all. In that kiss you will encounter the fundamental spark of humanity, that resides in all people, and is unique, and offers almost infinite possibilities once combined with love.

    After you've had this experience, walk up to whatever girl you were attracted to, and see with the new eyes in terms of her fundamental spark of humanity, just the same as the guy's. See if her beauty, see if gender roles, distracted you from seeing a person who's superficial and snide, you didn't see before, and feel free to wave her off if that's what you see once you evaluate her as a human, not a woman. And by all means, once liberated, find your own beauty, your own self love, your own style. Be one of the many guys woman lament as not available because they're gay, except your actually not. Have that source of beauty and pleasure and enjoyment in your own life, which women are drawn to in gay men, but be yourself - aka not gay. This will solve your problems, and open up worlds of possibility within you life.

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    Why do men think they will ever understand women anyhow?
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    My first husband's father was a wise man. He advised his son to never argue with a woman, for even when you are right, things will turn out wrong. Believe it or not but in 15 years we never argued. We sometimes did not agree but we never got into it with each other over such matters and when we eventually separated due to having grown into different people, we remained friends, drew up our own settlement and paid $40.00 to file it with the courts.

    On a lighter note, I can't believe that no one has yet posted 'The Rules'.

    The RULES, According to Women
    1.The female always makes the rules.
    2.The rules are subject to change at any time without prior notification.
    3.No male can possibly know all the rules.
    4.If the female suspects the male knows all the rules, she must immediately change some or all of the rules.
    5.The female is NEVER wrong.
    6.If the female is wrong, it is because of a flagrant misunderstanding, which was a direct result of something the male did or said wrong.
    7.If rule #6 applies, the male must apologize immediately for causing the misunderstanding.
    8.The female can change her mind at any given point in time.
    9.The male must NEVER change his mind without express written consent from the female.
    10.The female has every right to be angry or upset at any time.
    11.The male must remain calm at ALL time, unless the female wants him to be angry or upset.
    12. The female must under NO circumstances let the male know whether or not she wants him to be angry or upset.
    13. Any attempt to document the rules could result in bodily harm.
    14. If the female has PMS, all rules are null and void.
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    Basically, men are all slaves to the vaginal crease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    My first husband's father was a wise man. He advised his son to never argue with a woman, for even when you are right, things will turn out wrong. Believe it or not but in 15 years we never argued. We sometimes did not agree but we never got into it with each other over such matters and when we eventually separated due to having grown into different people, we remained friends, drew up our own settlement and paid $40.00 to file it with the courts.

    On a lighter note, I can't believe that no one has yet posted 'The Rules'.



    WE don't fight much. I'm a woman. We are always right!! *chuckle*


    The RULES, According to Women
    1.The female always makes the rules.
    2.The rules are subject to change at any time without prior notification.
    3.No male can possibly know all the rules.
    4.If the female suspects the male knows all the rules, she must immediately change some or all of the rules.
    5.The female is NEVER wrong.
    6.If the female is wrong, it is because of a flagrant misunderstanding, which was a direct result of something the male did or said wrong.
    7.If rule #6 applies, the male must apologize immediately for causing the misunderstanding.
    8.The female can change her mind at any given point in time.
    9.The male must NEVER change his mind without express written consent from the female.
    10.The female has every right to be angry or upset at any time.
    11.The male must remain calm at ALL time, unless the female wants him to be angry or upset.
    12. The female must under NO circumstances let the male know whether or not she wants him to be angry or upset.
    13. Any attempt to document the rules could result in bodily harm.
    14. If the female has PMS, all rules are null and void.
    AMEN!! *laughing* those are "THE RULES"
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    I've never liked rules...especially arbitrary ones. I'd rather be single forever than constantly be a kiss ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikepotter84 View Post
    Basically, men are all slaves to the vaginal crease.
    In-creasingly so, lol...

    No need to be enslaved, though. Where the mind goes, the body follows. You may choose to cultivate other interests and diversions though it can be difficult when there are so many distractions such as summer (more revealing female wardrobes) and advertising which utilizes sex/sexy as a strong marketing incentive.
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    I've never liked rules...especially arbitrary ones. I'd rather be single forever than constantly be a kiss ass.
    Your wish will undoubtedly come true unless and until you study the art of diplomacy and the cultivate the skill of compromise.
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    Basically, men are all slaves to the vaginal crease.
    It's part of the "rules"
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    My question would be, "How do men choose who they ask out on a date."
    It's a complicated and highly scientific process: is she still breathing?
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    What I find comical.....is women GET men....in every aspect......it's men who don't GET women in ANY aspect!
    Oh please, that's what we want you to think so we can play ignorant and you Gals end up doing all the embarrassing stuff.

    No we don't! PROVE IT!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
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    I've never liked rules...especially arbitrary ones. I'd rather be single forever than constantly be a kiss ass.
    Your wish will undoubtedly come true unless and until you study the art of diplomacy and the cultivate the skill of compromise.
    I always compromise.
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    Why do men think they will ever understand women anyhow?
    Experience?
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
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    Personally I think this whole men dont understand women nonsense is just a ruse.....like the men cant multi-task myth (I dont know if this applies in America but here in England its used by men as a standard excuse to not do something).... In this life you can do anything you want to if you're prepared to put the time and effort into it and if you meet people who puzzle you its not because they are one sex or the other its because they are people. Confusing, emotional, irrational or plain bad behaviour is not the preserve of women - its a human thing rather than a gender thing. And what we also have to remember is the part we play in how other people behave towards us.....self reflection and self censorship is a rare thing. As Robbie Burns would say - "Oh would some power the gift tae gie us, to see ourselves as others see us".
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    An open box of tampons on the shelf behind the toilet should send any sane man running into the night in fear and horror.
    Never argue with a woman during her period. No matter how wild and crazy her opinion, You simply cannot win, and the interchange will most definitely be painful. Feign deafness, or take a walk, or lie through your teeth meakly agreeing with the lunacy, but not too strongly, lest she switch sides in the middle of the exchange, and attack you for defending her lunatic musings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    What I find comical.....is women GET men....in every aspect......it's men who don't GET women in ANY aspect!
    Oh please, that's what we want you to think so we can play ignorant and you Gals end up doing all the embarrassing stuff.

    No we don't! PROVE IT!!!!
    Lol, I was of course only joking, but if I'm honest I can probarbly think of a few examples. Like most guys I'm quite used to getting rid of spiders from the bath or getting the drinks in the bar ect.. I especially like doing the typical "Look at me, I am man, I lift heavy things" bit, but if something gets spilt in cafe or restaurant it's not me who asks for a tissue and if by some miracle we get lost driving in Belgium, which of course Never Never happens!, then it isn't usually me either trying to play charades with the locals, to get directions, who don't seem to speak any English.

    It seems that sometimes us guys can fane ignorance when comes to doing things that might affect our pride.
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    Why do men think they will ever understand women anyhow?
    Because they KNOW that WOMEN do not understand women! jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    What I find comical.....is women THINK they GET men....in every aspect......it's men who don't GET women in ANY aspect!
    (more appropriately worded, in this particular male's opinion). jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexG View Post
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    Why do men think they will ever understand women anyhow?
    Experience?
    *chuckle*
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuciDreaming View Post
    Personally I think this whole men dont understand women nonsense is just a ruse.....like the men cant multi-task myth (I dont know if this applies in America but here in England its used by men as a standard excuse to not do something).... In this life you can do anything you want to if you're prepared to put the time and effort into it and if you meet people who puzzle you its not because they are one sex or the other its because they are people. Confusing, emotional, irrational or plain bad behaviour is not the preserve of women - its a human thing rather than a gender thing. And what we also have to remember is the part we play in how other people behave towards us.....self reflection and self censorship is a rare thing. As Robbie Burns would say - "Oh would some power the gift tae gie us, to see ourselves as others see us".
    I can only say, that I have NEVER known a man who can multi-task. Ever. My entire life. EVER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    An open box of tampons on the shelf behind the toilet should send any sane man running into the night in fear and horror.
    Never argue with a woman during her period. No matter how wild and crazy her opinion, You simply cannot win, and the interchange will most definitely be painful. Feign deafness, or take a walk, or lie through your teeth meakly agreeing with the lunacy, but not too strongly, lest she switch sides in the middle of the exchange, and attack you for defending her lunatic musings.

    That deserves a "SWACK"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
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    What I find comical.....is women GET men....in every aspect......it's men who don't GET women in ANY aspect!
    Oh please, that's what we want you to think so we can play ignorant and you Gals end up doing all the embarrassing stuff.

    No we don't! PROVE IT!!!!
    Lol, I was of course only joking, but if I'm honest I can probarbly think of a few examples. Like most guys I'm quite used to getting rid of spiders from the bath or getting the drinks in the bar ect.. I especially like doing the typical "Look at me, I am man, I lift heavy things" bit, but if something gets spilt in cafe or restaurant it's not me who asks for a tissue and if by some miracle we get lost driving in Belgium, which of course Never Never happens!, then it isn't usually me either trying to play charades with the locals, to get directions, who don't seem to speak any English.

    It seems that sometimes us guys can fane ignorance when comes to doing things that might affect our pride.
    YOU STOP TO ASK DIRECTIONS? MIRACLE!!! learn left and right in French *L*...it helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
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    Why do men think they will ever understand women anyhow?
    Because they KNOW that WOMEN do not understand women! jocular
    Ah but we do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    Why do men think they will ever understand women anyhow?
    Because they KNOW that WOMEN do not understand women! jocular
    Ah but we do!
    Ah, but you must offer proof of this statement, before the other sex will accept it as true! jocular
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