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    so what are some means to over coming fear?
    what are some behavioral patterns (if any) that a person may adopt to overcome fear?


    how much does confidence influence fear and how may that be dealt with?


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    Indifference, disassociation, natural human propensity for adrenaline fight/flight reflex, over-confidence can eliminate fear that would otherwise be helpful for self-preservation, desire to acquire acknowledgement from others, desire for reward. People also tend to lose fear when the danger pertains to friends or other people, and act rashly in order to assist them.


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    Okay, so fear is not a bad thing. Its the moment in which people experience fear which may make the situation good or bad. so how might one 'train' or develop themselves to realize fear, but over come it?

    indifference I think is a bad. you don't recognize what is important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chero View Post
    so what are some means to over coming fear?
    That usually depends on the nature and object(s) of the fear. Acrophobia (fear of heights) for example is usually present in most people to an extent. I myself have been or still am afflicted with a moderate case of it, in that I am stricken with aversion of looking out a window from six storeys and higher within a building even. Over time, I've learnt to deconstruct this fear (and others) by force of will; knowing full well that it is just silly to cling to a wall or position someone else between myself and the ledge. While I have had some progress, that fear still creeps up on me from time to time if I let my mental guard down.

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    what are some behavioral patterns (if any) that a person may adopt to overcome fear?
    An internally focused anger works for some.

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    how much does confidence influence fear and how may that be dealt with?
    Confidence and fear as in public speaking and such? Repeated practice leading to a desensitized state works for most people.
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    The best way to overcome fear in my opinion is to acquire knowledge of the thing that scares you. As all good horror movie directors know there is nothing as scary as the unknown and the unseen - we are a story-telling species, so when given only half the story we make the rest up for ourselves. And our imaginations are usually much scarier places than the truth. That's why I say acquire knowledge. You cant overcome a fear of something if you don't know what the something looks like.
    For example - undergoing some of the invasive hospital procedures that don't warrant general anaesthetic are usually worrying for people (biopsies, gastroscopies and the like) and generally the instinct is to not look and tense up. In fact its better to see the instruments they will use and ask the doctors to explain them to you and talk about what they are doing as its happening because its a distraction and it also imparts a sense of control if you have an idea of what will happen.
    "And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh" Nietzsche.
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    Frank Herbert, author of the Dune series, used this device frequently in the novels.

    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Frank Herbert, author of the Dune series, used this device frequently in the novels.

    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear.
    If I remember correctly, that line was first introduced by the character Jessica, Paul's mother. Early in the first book, but after the Atreides had arrived on Arrakis. I had read that when I was twelve or thirteen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chero View Post
    so what are some means to over coming fear?
    what are some behavioral patterns (if any) that a person may adopt to overcome fear?


    how much does confidence influence fear and how may that be dealt with?
    Everybody feels fear, this is the first point, once we understand this we can begin to deal with it. Most fear is irrational, we are scared by things over which we have no control.
    I personally don't like flying very much, this brings out fear within me, but I know this is irrational because I have no reason to be scared. The odds are very much against anything bad happening and I have no control over the plane when I'm on board. So rational thinking is one way of addressing fear, look at it logically not emotionally. This doesn't make it go away entirely but it really does help.

    I think you can break it down into the rational and irrational, but the method for dealing with is pretty much the same, rational fear is what I consider to be justifable danger that could directly result from my own action or inaction, the way this is delt with is by doing something about it, such as taking precautions to limit the risk or exposure. When everything has been done that you can do you are only left with what I would consider to be irrational fear, this is fear about something beyond your control, this is addressed by telling yourself you've done everything you can and ending that particular thought process. Again when or if the fear resurfaces addressing it logically by understanding and accepting the situation and reassuring one's self that everything that could've been done has been done and anything else is beyond your control.
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    Take note of the kind of fear involved. I was once taught that not being "nervous" (experienced as scared to death) when performing was a mark of disrespect to your audience. You can extend this to other things. That it's healthy to be cautious when dealing with a lot of situations.

    The other 'in your own mind' trick you can use is to behave as you would if you were introducing a child to an activity. My mother once remarked that taking us to the films ruined them for her - she spent half the time telling us "It's only a film" which took her own suspension of disbelief right out of the picture.

    There's also practice, practice, practice. In front of a mirror, or with a recording device - which is well worth the effort, btw. Most of us don't have any idea how we sound to other people. It's worth recording and hearing your own voice so it doesn't come as a shock, and you can pick up things like rushing your sentences or mangling certain words.

    If it's just lack of confidence? Fake it till you make it. (Doesn't work if you're supposed to be demonstrating skill or knowledge you don't have. But if you have the requisite knowledge/skill and it's only lack of confidence ... fake it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by chero View Post
    so what are some means to over coming fear?
    what are some behavioral patterns (if any) that a person may adopt to overcome fear?


    how much does confidence influence fear and how may that be dealt with?
    Confidence is a good thing to overcome fear .But that does not work everytime .
    By lack of confidence , just fake it untill you become it then .
    There are 2 kinds of fear , i suppose : the helathy one concerning self-preservation, concerning normal stress , expectation , concerning the fear of failure ...and you have the toxic fear one gotta try to get rid of .

    I , personally, think that the best way to overcome fear is by looking it directly in the face , by confrontng it .

    The same goes for phobies, anxieties ...

    Try to do some things you are frightened of , everyday, as much as possible .

    There is no magic recipient for overcoming fear though , just do not try to avoid it , that's the worst thing you can do .

    Even the most brave folks , do experience intense and paralyzing fear in some circumstances,so .
    But there are some good books on the matter out there .

    Just try to treat your negative or fearful thoughts by dismissing them as false and deceptive brain mesaages .That helps sometimes.

    Besides , focusing too much on fear makes it only grow
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    Be use to your fear(s) i.e face your fears αη∂ it will be use to you but note that courage is knowing what not to fear!
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    Being a "theatre whore"...an expression used in live theatre.....if I said I wasn't a bundle of nerves before a stage entrance, I'd be lying through my teeth.

    Fear/nerves also produce andreneline, and focus takes you away from the "fear" and brings you into the character.

    Then you perform, and exit the stage and shake for 10 minutes.

    I call that relief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chero View Post
    so what are some means to over coming fear?
    what are some behavioral patterns (if any) that a person may adopt to overcome fear?
    Many fears are reduced when one looks forward to death. This needn't be a negative - there are happy ways to arrive at this attitude for example if you find your life already on balance a credit to the world. Or like the samurai one might cultivate a death-wish by meditating on the impermanence and ultimate vanity of mortal existence, so life is just a game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong View Post
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    so what are some means to over coming fear?
    what are some behavioral patterns (if any) that a person may adopt to overcome fear?
    Many fears are reduced when one looks forward to death. This needn't be a negative - there are happy ways to arrive at this attitude for example if you find your life already on balance a credit to the world. Or like the samurai one might cultivate a death-wish by meditating on the impermanence and ultimate vanity of mortal existence, so life is just a game.
    I think there are other considerations. I lost my 38 year old nephew to pancreatic cancer last Friday.
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    t was not death he was afraid of, it was that he didn't want to leave his wife, his two young children and the family that loved him. Fear was not the factor. He was a credit to this world.

    Not everyone fears death.
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    Fear is something we all have and need it is just that some have extra amounts of it and have a difficult time with it. There are ways to overcome fear IF the person wants to overcome it otherwise they never will. There are many books on this subject and here is one of them...

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...48340889,d.eWU
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    What do you think about the so-called NLP : the so-called Neuro Linguistic programming , in that regard , folks ?
    I read some about it , there is some truth in it , but most of it is just suggestive hokus pokus .

    So, what do you think about it ?

    Not to mention mindfulness based therapies (being aware of one's emotions , moods , feelings, fears ....)


    On youtube, can one also find the following audiobook concerning concentration written by Theron Q.Dumont :

    The power of concentration

    One can also download the master mind pdf from the same author via google search as well .


    P.S.: I think that psychology is still a form of pseudo-science , despite some of its advances thanks to neuroscience
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    One way of understanding fear is to love your fear and observe it as your friend. I guess anything can be over or underdone, but if you know that it is your friend you can quickly get control and move on. I do not hide from fear I allow it to pass over my body and release the tention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fernogx View Post
    Overcome the fear of death, and you shall have no fear
    But is that, in reality possible?
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    I doubt it. Almost everyone, even the bravest or the most oblivious, gets the occasional "spidey sense" that something's wrong. And if you believe Gavin de Becker, The Gift of Fear man*, you're right to take those feelings seriously. You're unlikely to suffer any negative consequences if you're wrong, but you can save yourself from real harm if you turn out to be right.

    *For anyone who follows this up, his take on domestic violence is seriously off the mark, but that's only one chapter.
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