Notices
Results 1 to 49 of 49
Like Tree17Likes
  • 2 Post By RamenNoodles
  • 1 Post By Strange
  • 2 Post By cosmictraveler
  • 4 Post By shlunka
  • 1 Post By sculptor
  • 1 Post By Dywyddyr
  • 2 Post By Dywyddyr
  • 2 Post By confusedasyou
  • 1 Post By MacGyver1968
  • 1 Post By Stargate

Thread: Why do people say "life is short" if its the longest thing anyone will ever experience?

  1. #1 Why do people say "life is short" if its the longest thing anyone will ever experience? 
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    932
    Why?


    LuciDreaming and Weterman like this.
    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    If thy right nipple offend thee, pluck it off! Goes for the other, too!
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2.  
     

  3. #2  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    11,841
    Because we don't have enough life to experience everything we want to.


    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #3  
    Brassica oleracea Strange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    喫茶店
    Posts
    17,036
    Because they are older than you. And have realised how fast it is rushing by...

    Time Lyrics - Pink Floyd
    Ascended likes this.
    ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #4  
    Forum Radioactive Isotope cosmictraveler's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Key West, Florida, Earth
    Posts
    4,788
    Why do people say "life is short" if its the longest thing anyone will ever experience?
    Because humans have learned that the Earth is over 4 billion years old and that they live only about 80 years or so . Knowing that when you die there will be billions of things happening that you'll never see because "life's to short".
    Last edited by cosmictraveler; May 11th, 2014 at 02:35 PM.
    sir ir r aj and confusedasyou like this.
    When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
    Jimi Hendrix
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #5  
    Malignant Pimple shlunka's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Dogbox in front of Dywyddyr's house.
    Posts
    1,785
    I say it's short because I'm only 5'6".
    "MODERATOR NOTE : We don't entertain trolls here, not even in the trash can. Banned." -Markus Hanke
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #6  
    Forum Radioactive Isotope sculptor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    4,211
    Chambers Brothers - Time Has Come Today (Rare live extended version...*louder audio*) - YouTube

    life is short(and the unsaid part)(so, get off yer dead ass and do something worthwhile)
    cosmictraveler likes this.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #7  
    Forum Sophomore Hassnhadi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Iraq~
    Posts
    170
    Well, life is quite fast.. I was born 15 years ago yet complain if something takes merely a month to happen.. Life is accelerating and we have to catch up so you kind of lose the sense of time when you're young or in the beginnings of your adulthood.. So life is not short but we miss to catch up with it.. Or, people say life is short to encourage others to do stupid deeds in which I recommend staying away from these people.
    "Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery." - Malcolm X.
    "The future belongs to those who prepare for it today." - Malcolm X.
    "Last words are for fools who haven't said enough!" - Karl Marx's last words
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #8  
    AI's Have More Fun Bad Robot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Washington state
    Posts
    6,114
    For those of us that would like a longer life <<< Life is Short >>>

    I'll make the assumption that there are more of us that want a longer life than we are likely to get?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  10. #9  
    New Member Simonthepsychologist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    1
    From what view point?

    To say life is short, is like saying, this pudding is too sweet.
    The universe is 13.77 billion years old; In that sense YES life is short.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  11. #10  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    425
    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Why do people say "life is short" if its the longest thing anyone will ever experience?
    Because humans have learned that the Earth is over 4 billion years old and that live only about 80 years or so . Knowing that when you die there will be billions of things happening that you'll never see because "life's to short".
    This is really a tricky one. I do not think humans register 4 billion years of existence. I think the life span humans measured is against the infinity of time. I think everything that can be experienced in ones lifetime, is experienced. I also think that most people measurements are based on their experience of matter, and this matter shows them the length of sustainability, which is measured in living years.

    Reply With Quote  
     

  12. #11  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    11,841
    Quote Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
    I do not think humans register 4 billion years of existence.

    Because we are aware as individuals. Therefore there is no "4 billion years of existence".

    I think the life span humans measured is against the infinity of time.
    Except that time isn't infinite.

    I think everything that can be experienced in ones lifetime, is experienced.
    I have no idea what you're saying here. When was the last time you experienced piloting the space shuttle, for example?

    I also think that most people measurements are based on their experience of matter, and this matter shows them the length of sustainability, which is measured in living years.
    What?
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  13. #12  
    Forum Radioactive Isotope cosmictraveler's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Key West, Florida, Earth
    Posts
    4,788
    What I can't figure out is how can some trees live to over 2,000 years old yet humans are only living about 80, seems that the trees know something that humans don't. Even some critters like the tortoises outlives humans with ages over 250 years old...what's up with them anyway?
    When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
    Jimi Hendrix
    Reply With Quote  
     

  14. #13  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    425
    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    What I can't figure out is how can some trees live to over 2,000 years old yet humans are only living about 80, seems that the trees know something that humans don't. Even some critters like the tortoises outlives humans with ages over 250 years old...what's up with them anyway?
    Do you know if there were humans living at any time with a life span of two thousand years? We know that some live for over a hundred years, while others do not, we could ask them how they do that.

    The thing I find interesting is, we are the inverse of trees, they breath in what we breath out, we eat them, they eat us, yet they live longer than most of us.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  15. #14  
    Brassica oleracea Strange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    喫茶店
    Posts
    17,036
    The other thing to note is that the phrase comes from the Latin ars longa, vita brevis which is derived from a Greek text on medicine. The point being made was that it takes a long time to learn one's craft but there isn't much time to do so.
    ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
    Reply With Quote  
     

  16. #15  
    AI's Have More Fun Bad Robot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Washington state
    Posts
    6,114
    Quote Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    What I can't figure out is how can some trees live to over 2,000 years old yet humans are only living about 80, seems that the trees know something that humans don't. Even some critters like the tortoises outlives humans with ages over 250 years old...what's up with them anyway?
    Do you know if there were humans living at any time with a life span of two thousand years? We know that some live for over a hundred years, while others do not, we could ask them how they do that.

    The thing I find interesting is, we are the inverse of trees, they breath in what we breath out, we eat them, they eat us, yet they live longer than most of us.
    Maybe if you took root and maintained an inactive lifestyle, you would live much longer. Good thing trees don't get bored.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  17. #16  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    425
    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    What I can't figure out is how can some trees live to over 2,000 years old yet humans are only living about 80, seems that the trees know something that humans don't. Even some critters like the tortoises outlives humans with ages over 250 years old...what's up with them anyway?
    Do you know if there were humans living at any time with a life span of two thousand years? We know that some live for over a hundred years, while others do not, we could ask them how they do that.

    The thing I find interesting is, we are the inverse of trees, they breath in what we breath out, we eat them, they eat us, yet they live longer than most of us.
    Maybe if you took root and maintained an inactive lifestyle, you would live much longer. Good thing trees don't get bored.
    Ok, this is not gospel, but I think there is a law that governs all parts of life. If we learn these laws and follow them, we would learn something about ourselves. I am saying that to say this, I think trees go through the same cycle as we humans do. Just imagine everything we humans are made of, are made from trees. Our bodies, the emotions we have makes wave when we pass trees. I think trees gets bored, tired, hungry, and happy, plus all the things that makes up this adventure. I would say trees are not dead, because we live from them.

    Living longer is a choice, first want it, move the mind to see it, and then do the things to change present to future.

    Reply With Quote  
     

  18. #17  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    11,841
    And don't forget to clap your hands to keep the fairies alive.
    MacGyver1968 likes this.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  19. #18  
    AI's Have More Fun Bad Robot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Washington state
    Posts
    6,114
    Quote Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
    Ok, this is not gospel, but I think there is a law that governs all parts of life. If we learn these laws and follow them, we would learn something about ourselves. I am saying that to say this, I think trees go through the same cycle as we humans do. Just imagine everything we humans are made of, are made from trees. Our bodies, the emotions we have makes wave when we pass trees. I think trees gets bored, tired, hungry, and happy, plus all the things that makes up this adventure. I would say trees are not dead, because we live from them.

    Living longer is a choice, first want it, move the mind to see it, and then do the things to change present to future.
    All that sounds like what a young person might think. I do think living the good lifestyle will help people live longer. However, whether you live to 50 or 150 years, the term "life is short" will still apply.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  20. #19  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    425
    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
    Ok, this is not gospel, but I think there is a law that governs all parts of life. If we learn these laws and follow them, we would learn something about ourselves. I am saying that to say this, I think trees go through the same cycle as we humans do. Just imagine everything we humans are made of, are made from trees. Our bodies, the emotions we have makes wave when we pass trees. I think trees gets bored, tired, hungry, and happy, plus all the things that makes up this adventure. I would say trees are not dead, because we live from them.

    Living longer is a choice, first want it, move the mind to see it, and then do the things to change present to future.
    All that sounds like what a young person might think. I do think living the good lifestyle will help people live longer. However, whether you live to 50 or 150 years, the term "life is short" will still apply.
    Well thats how I see it. My mother kept telling me that life does not care how long you live, what is important is how you chose to live it. living 50 years can be long depending on the quality you chose.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  21. #20  
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    932
    Quote Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
    living 50 years can be long depending on the quality you chose.
    But i want to live up to ~800 years old...

    Yet i still haven't found valid experiments that show how oxygen modulator affects the animals lifespan.
    Or any luck near researching there.
    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    If thy right nipple offend thee, pluck it off! Goes for the other, too!
    Reply With Quote  
     

  22. #21  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    425
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
    living 50 years can be long depending on the quality you chose.
    But i want to live up to ~800 years old...

    Yet i still haven't found valid experiments that show how oxygen modulator affects the animals lifespan.
    Or any luck near researching there.
    Because science is telling us that everthing is in the mind, why don't you try telling yourself you want to live 800 years and see what happens.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  23. #22  
    Genius Duck Moderator Dywyddyr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Scunthorpe, UK
    Posts
    11,841
    Quote Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
    Because science is telling us that everthing is in the mind
    Bzzt, wrong.
    "[Dywyddyr] makes a grumpy bastard like me seem like a happy go lucky scamp" - PhDemon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  24. #23  
    Forum Sophomore confusedasyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    106
    Just because life is the longest thing you will ever do, this does not mean life is not short. Life is short because a couple of reasons. How long we actually have to live, and how much there is to learn an enjoy on this earth. By the time your end is here you will realize that even if you spent your entire life wisely, you still wouldn't have enough time to do everything you wanted or possibly could. Therefore life is too short, even though it is the longest thing you will ever do.
    RedPanda and RamenNoodles like this.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  25. #24  
    New Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    1
    Because you can't get back the time you've lost in life.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  26. #25  
    Forum Radioactive Isotope cosmictraveler's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Key West, Florida, Earth
    Posts
    4,788
    It's not how long you live but how you live long.
    When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
    Jimi Hendrix
    Reply With Quote  
     

  27. #26  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    9
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
    Because science is telling us that everthing is in the mind
    Bzzt, wrong.
    Where did you get that, metaphysics?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  28. #27  
    Forum Masters Degree
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanawe123 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
    living 50 years can be long depending on the quality you chose.
    But i want to live up to ~800 years old...

    Yet i still haven't found valid experiments that show how oxygen modulator affects the animals lifespan.
    Or any luck near researching there.
    Because science is telling us that everthing is in the mind, why don't you try telling yourself you want to live 800 years and see what happens.
    A lot of philosophies say that, I don't know about science. Some philosophical interpretations of the anthropic principle say that anything not experienced by an aware mind may as well not exist, but even most of those people still admit that it exists in some form, even if that form is meaningless without an observer. The difference between, "The universe doesn't exist without minds to experience it," vs. "the universe may as well not exist without minds to experience it," may seem subtle, but it is fairly large. The universe existed before human beings. It will continue to exist after. Whether or not it has any meaning without people to experience it is a reasonable question, but it won't disappear. The universe as we know it may cease to exist, though, because the human interpretation of the universe is something unique to humans.

    ((Note: Apologies if this is hard to follow. I should have had the soft tacos before the Belgian beers and I shouldn't have had the third one. Those guys make strong stuff.))
    Reply With Quote  
     

  29. #28  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    9
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post

    A lot of philosophies say that, I don't know about science. Some philosophical interpretations of the anthropic principle say that anything not experienced by an aware mind may as well not exist, but even most of those people still admit that it exists in some form, even if that form is meaningless without an observer. The difference between, "The universe doesn't exist without minds to experience it," vs. "the universe may as well not exist without minds to experience it," may seem subtle, but it is fairly large. The universe existed before human beings. It will continue to exist after. Whether or not it has any meaning without people to experience it is a reasonable question, but it won't disappear. The universe as we know it may cease to exist, though, because the human interpretation of the universe is something unique to humans.

    ((Note: Apologies if this is hard to follow. I should have had the soft tacos before the Belgian beers and I shouldn't have had the third one. Those guys make strong stuff.))
    As you said we are observers, we just try to understand the rules the universe impose upon us. For much we believe about living 800 years it wouldn't happen. Otherwise we will have seen the Thoth Fairy when we used to believe in that. Or we all be millionaires from our own perspective.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  30. #29  
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    932
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    A lot of philosophies say that, I don't know about science. Some philosophical interpretations of the anthropic principle say that anything not experienced by an aware mind may as well not exist, but even most of those people still admit that it exists in some form, even if that form is meaningless without an observer. The difference between, "The universe doesn't exist without minds to experience it," vs. "the universe may as well not exist without minds to experience it," may seem subtle, but it is fairly large. The universe existed before human beings. It will continue to exist after. Whether or not it has any meaning without people to experience it is a reasonable question, but it won't disappear. The universe as we know it may cease to exist, though, because the human interpretation of the universe is something unique to humans.
    You can't prove that the universe exists.
    In fact you can't really prove if anything exists.

    How do we even prove if we exist?
    How do we prove that we know anything?

    FYI vsauce is my favourite channel on youtube!
    How do i prove this video exists?
    Is Anything Real? - YouTube

    7:00 - 7:40

    But how do we prove our minds exist?
    Quote Originally Posted by jocular View Post
    If thy right nipple offend thee, pluck it off! Goes for the other, too!
    Reply With Quote  
     

  31. #30  
    Brassica oleracea Strange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    喫茶店
    Posts
    17,036
    Quote Originally Posted by RamenNoodles View Post
    But how do we prove our minds exist?
    You have spotted the obvious flaws in Descartes' argument. Well done.
    ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
    Reply With Quote  
     

  32. #31  
    Cooking Something Good MacGyver1968's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Dallas, Texas
    Posts
    2,051
    I have a theory on why time "seems" to pass quicker as we get older. Generally, our first memories begin somewhere around age 3. If you're age 6, one year represents 1/3 of your life experiences...so it seems to go by much slower. Where when you're 46, one year only represents 1/43th of your total life experience, and seems shorter. Does that make sense?
    RamenNoodles likes this.
    Fixin' shit that ain't broke.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  33. #32  
    Forum Freshman
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    23
    If you take into account the evolution of all species, life is never ending until we go extinct.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  34. #33  
    Forum Masters Degree
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    592
    It is impossible for the statement 'I exist' to be wrong. That statement has one hundred percent certainty. The manner of your existence is what is in question.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  35. #34  
    Brassica oleracea Strange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    喫茶店
    Posts
    17,036
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    It is impossible for the statement 'I exist' to be wrong. That statement has one hundred percent certainty.
    That is what Descartes thought as well...
    ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
    Reply With Quote  
     

  36. #35  
    Forum Masters Degree
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    It is impossible for the statement 'I exist' to be wrong. That statement has one hundred percent certainty.
    That is what Descartes thought as well...
    He was right. I cannot be wrong about that statement. If I was wrong, I never made it in the first place, so I was never wrong. I can't lose!
    Reply With Quote  
     

  37. #36  
    Moderator Moderator Cogito Ergo Sum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    2,519
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    It is impossible for the statement 'I exist' to be wrong. That statement has one hundred percent certainty.
    That is what Descartes thought as well...
    He was right. I cannot be wrong about that statement. If I was wrong, I never made it in the first place, so I was never wrong. I can't lose!

    Is that not a tautology?
    I exist, therefore the statement "I exist" is true.
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

    ~ Arthur Schopenhauer, The Art of Being Right: 38 Ways to Win an Argument (1831), Stratagem XXXVIII.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  38. #37  
    Brassica oleracea Strange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    喫茶店
    Posts
    17,036
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    He was right. I cannot be wrong about that statement. If I was wrong, I never made it in the first place, so I was never wrong. I can't lose!
    I can't be bothered. Look at the Wikipedia page on it; it summarises some of the more obvious flaws in this argument.
    Cogito ergo sum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
    Reply With Quote  
     

  39. #38  
    Forum Masters Degree
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    He was right. I cannot be wrong about that statement. If I was wrong, I never made it in the first place, so I was never wrong. I can't lose!
    I can't be bothered. Look at the Wikipedia page on it; it summarises some of the more obvious flaws in this argument.
    Cogito ergo sum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I've read the criticisms of Descartes Critique of Pure Reason. I absolutely cannot be wrong about the statement I exist, because I would have to exist to be wrong.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  40. #39  
    Brassica oleracea Strange's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    喫茶店
    Posts
    17,036
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    I absolutely cannot be wrong about the statement I exist, because I would have to exist to be wrong.
    Sigh. Who is "I"? How do you know "I" is the same entity as the one thinking? How do you know "I" is the one who is wrong? How do you know thinking exists? What does "exist" mean? Maybe the one thinking exists but "I" don't. Maybe "I" exist, but the thoughts come from elsewhere. Maybe "I" can think without existing. And on and on ...

    Descartes could justify some of these because he assumed God wouldn't deceive him. But if you are going to make an assumption like that, you might as well go all the way and just assume "I" (and everyone else) exists and that there is some sort of objective reality out there that we experience. That is my position, but it is a purely arbitrary act of faith that cannot be supported by evidence or argument.

    Sorry, but anyone who takes the cogito ergo sum argument at face value clearly hasn't really thought about it.
    ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
    Reply With Quote  
     

  41. #40  
    Forum Masters Degree
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    592
    You've made an awful lot of assumptions about what I said. I never once said anything about the nature of my existence or what I am. That's up in the air.

    But I know that nothing exists cannot possibly be a true statement. It could not even be a statement if nothing exists. Therefore it must be false, or non existent. If it's non existent, I'm not wrong, I'm just nothing. So my statement can't possibly be incorrect and the statement nothing exists can't possibly be correct. That leaves me with one conclusion. Something exists and my experiences are somehow part of that something.

    Sure, the concept of identity is undefined and sort of amorphous. But even thoughts are something.
    Last edited by SowZ37; May 14th, 2014 at 03:53 PM.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  42. #41  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    122
    It's short compared to the span of the universe. And nobody knows how long they can or will live.

    So it's kind of like a carpe diem thing, as in seize the day.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  43. #42  
    Forum Ph.D. Raziell's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    927
    On a cosmological time frame even if we lived for a million years it would still be like a flash.

    Our lifetime is the reason I am pulled towards nihilism. Because with such an insignificant amount of time in the universe, our entire species and all our actions are utterly irellevant.
    A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it. - David Stevens
    Reply With Quote  
     

  44. #43  
    Forum Masters Degree
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    592
    Quote Originally Posted by Raziell View Post
    On a cosmological time frame even if we lived for a million years it would still be like a flash.

    Our lifetime is the reason I am pulled towards nihilism. Because with such an insignificant amount of time in the universe, our entire species and all our actions are utterly irellevant.
    Why does that make a difference? Why would living four billion years make us more relevant? It's all relative, anyway.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  45. #44  
    Forum Sophomore Estheria Quintessimo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    153
    Quote Originally Posted by RamenNoodles View Post
    Why?
    Because me telling you life is short,... gives me dominance over you.

    The assumption is that I will live longer then you, no matter what you do.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  46. #45  
    Forum Ph.D.
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    963
    Quote Originally Posted by RamenNoodles View Post
    Why?
    Surely people can sometimes say "life is short" because most of us are aware much longer periods of time exist, called "deserts of vast eternity" in the poem by Andrew Marvell, compared to the average lifespan of humans?
    Last edited by Halliday; May 17th, 2014 at 02:42 PM.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  47. #46  
    Forum Masters Degree LuciDreaming's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Cambridgeshire
    Posts
    656
    Life feels short because we experience our past as snapshots of the things that happened that most excited the nervous system to take notice - in other words memories are laid down when the environment has an emotional effect. Days need to be filled with new and exciting things in order for them not to be lost perceptually. Its my opinion that the reason we perceive time to be slower in the years up to 21 ish is because it is full of learning and new things. Generally life starts haphazardly and then settles into a routine and routines tend to blend into one routine so that when a person recalls the concept of breakfast they dont recall every single breakfast they have had, they recall one generic breakfast.

    And also because the only time that really counts is now - whilst its possible to recall the past it is not possible to experience it again. The only experience that counts is the one that is occurring now....and now.....and now.....etc. However long a person lives that experience doesnt change - the 'now' doesnt expand.

    Having had a few relatives that have lived well into their nineties, I can say it doesnt seem to matter how long and full a life someone leads, when push comes to shove it is never enough. For most people I have known its seems to be something to hang on to to the last millisecond. And that seems to be the default position of every species on the planet - I've never seen a wildlife programme where a prey animal hasnt fought tooth and nail to get away. Experiencing more 'nows' seems to be a universal desire.
    "And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh" Nietzsche.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  48. #47  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    1,839
    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Why do people say "life is short" if its the longest thing anyone will ever experience?
    Because humans have learned that the Earth is over 4 billion years old and that they live only about 80 years or so . Knowing that when you die there will be billions of things happening that you'll never see because "life's to short".
    If you get a long term illness with a lot of suffering and hope that death will rescue you, life is not as short as you think. This perception varies depending on the circumstance.
    RamenNoodles likes this.
    Reply With Quote  
     

  49. #48  
    Suspended
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    475
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SowZ37 View Post
    I absolutely cannot be wrong about the statement I exist, because I would have to exist to be wrong.
    Sigh. Who is "I"? How do you know "I" is the same entity as the one thinking? How do you know "I" is the one who is wrong? How do you know thinking exists? What does "exist" mean? Maybe the one thinking exists but "I" don't. Maybe "I" exist, but the thoughts come from elsewhere. Maybe "I" can think without existing. And on and on ...

    Descartes could justify some of these because he assumed God wouldn't deceive him. But if you are going to make an assumption like that, you might as well go all the way and just assume "I" (and everyone else) exists and that there is some sort of objective reality out there that we experience. That is my position, but it is a purely arbitrary act of faith that cannot be supported by evidence or argument.

    Sorry, but anyone who takes the cogito ergo sum argument at face value clearly hasn't really thought about it.
    Perhaps 'I think so my at least my braincells exist' could escape the trap ?
    Reply With Quote  
     

  50. #49  
    Moderator Moderator Cogito Ergo Sum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    2,519
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    I can't be bothered. Look at the Wikipedia page on it; it summarises some of the more obvious flaws in this argument.
    Cogito ergo sum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Sorry, but anyone who takes the cogito ergo sum argument at face value clearly hasn't really thought about it.

    If I did not know any better, it would seem as if you were gossiping about me.
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

    ~ Arthur Schopenhauer, The Art of Being Right: 38 Ways to Win an Argument (1831), Stratagem XXXVIII.
    Reply With Quote  
     

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 73
    Last Post: May 4th, 2013, 06:42 PM
  2. Replies: 1
    Last Post: November 16th, 2012, 10:15 AM
  3. Replies: 5
    Last Post: April 15th, 2012, 12:11 AM
  4. "Dating" posts split from "Purpose of life" thread
    By Christopher Ball in forum Pseudoscience
    Replies: 155
    Last Post: October 16th, 2011, 05:37 AM
  5. "Dating" posts split from "Purpose of life" thread
    By Christopher Ball in forum Earth Sciences
    Replies: 90
    Last Post: October 11th, 2011, 10:35 AM
Bookmarks
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •